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Is Modern Science a Bad Thing?

PoeJoe
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9/30/2008 5:01:24 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
I've often heard this sentiment. What's your opinion?

My opinion: Sure, we now have greater means for torture and destruction. Sure, we have overpopulation. But, have you thought of this? No technology=no debate.org. QED!
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9/30/2008 4:36:20 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Modern science or technology is simply one thing : Knowledge. More knowledge. that is all it is. And anyone who is religious should be able to tell that knowledge always comes as a double edged sword. (the tree of knowledge of good and evil.) All that knowledge means it that you know how to do more things - and you know how to do them better.

You increase knowledge, you increase our ability to kill each other and our ability to help one another. Its as simply as that. This has applied to all increases in knowledge from the dawn of civilization. Ex. The wheel: now you can make more food, and you can be more effective in war.
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9/30/2008 10:01:54 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
The more science the better, however lets not forget common sense and our own sense of morality in pursuit of as much as possible.
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10/1/2008 12:32:25 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Not so.

Yesterday my roommate had a pack of rollo's in the cupboard. I desired one of these rollos. I ate one of the rollo's. I never had to give up anything for this rollo. I had no integrity before the snatching of the rollo so that wasn't given up.

Really I'm plus one rollo.
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10/1/2008 1:28:25 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/1/2008 12:32:25 PM, scissorhands7 wrote:
Not so.

Yesterday my roommate had a pack of rollo's in the cupboard. I desired one of these rollos. I ate one of the rollo's. I never had to give up anything for this rollo. I had no integrity before the snatching of the rollo so that wasn't given up.

Really I'm plus one rollo.

That was actually just me quoting "Full Metal Alchemist" in response to "the benefits in exchange for problems" better technology has brought us. But since this is a debate website, what the heck, I'll take a crack at this and "argue" that you did indeed give something up to attain one of those rollos.

Besides the obvious fact that you had to give up part of the time out of your day to attain the rolo or the fact that it required portion of your energy to obtain and eat the rollo, let us think of this in even deeper terms.

1) In exchange for eating the Rollo, you sacrificed some of the health benefits that would come from not eating Rollo as Rollos can not only serve as a fast means to getting you fat, but can easily serve a means of negatively impacting your dental hygene as well as getting you diabetes.

2) In exchange for taking the Rollo behind your roomate's back, you ended up sacrificing a minute but equal amount of respect which you may have had for your roommate in the first place at least in your conscious mind (your unconscious mind is debatable).

Although both of the sacrifices in the above points may seem insignificant, we must keep in mind that the "gains" were insignificant as well, thereby affirming the equal trade.
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10/1/2008 3:38:52 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/1/2008 1:28:25 PM, Logical-Master wrote:
At 10/1/2008 12:32:25 PM, scissorhands7 wrote:
Not so.

Yesterday my roommate had a pack of rollo's in the cupboard. I desired one of these rollos. I ate one of the rollo's. I never had to give up anything for this rollo. I had no integrity before the snatching of the rollo so that wasn't given up.

Really I'm plus one rollo.

That was actually just me quoting "Full Metal Alchemist" in response to "the benefits in exchange for problems" better technology has brought us. But since this is a debate website, what the heck, I'll take a crack at this and "argue" that you did indeed give something up to attain one of those rollos.

Besides the obvious fact that you had to give up part of the time out of your day to attain the rolo or the fact that it required portion of your energy to obtain and eat the rollo, let us think of this in even deeper terms.

1) In exchange for eating the Rollo, you sacrificed some of the health benefits that would come from not eating Rollo as Rollos can not only serve as a fast means to getting you fat, but can easily serve a means of negatively impacting your dental hygene as well as getting you diabetes.

2) In exchange for taking the Rollo behind your roomate's back, you ended up sacrificing a minute but equal amount of respect which you may have had for your roommate in the first place at least in your conscious mind (your unconscious mind is debatable).

Although both of the sacrifices in the above points may seem insignificant, we must keep in mind that the "gains" were insignificant as well, thereby affirming the equal trade.

Ok a better example if this is to be debated,

I'm on a hot desert isle and am dehydrating. All of a sudden a helicopter comes out of nowhere, lands in front of me and my girlfriend comes out with a large glass of cool water.

What do I lose thats equal in this respect?
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10/2/2008 8:17:43 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/1/2008 3:38:52 PM, scissorhands7 wrote:
At 10/1/2008 1:28:25 PM, Logical-Master wrote:
At 10/1/2008 12:32:25 PM, scissorhands7 wrote:
Not so.

Yesterday my roommate had a pack of rollo's in the cupboard. I desired one of these rollos. I ate one of the rollo's. I never had to give up anything for this rollo. I had no integrity before the snatching of the rollo so that wasn't given up.

Really I'm plus one rollo.

That was actually just me quoting "Full Metal Alchemist" in response to "the benefits in exchange for problems" better technology has brought us. But since this is a debate website, what the heck, I'll take a crack at this and "argue" that you did indeed give something up to attain one of those rollos.

Besides the obvious fact that you had to give up part of the time out of your day to attain the rolo or the fact that it required portion of your energy to obtain and eat the rollo, let us think of this in even deeper terms.

1) In exchange for eating the Rollo, you sacrificed some of the health benefits that would come from not eating Rollo as Rollos can not only serve as a fast means to getting you fat, but can easily serve a means of negatively impacting your dental hygene as well as getting you diabetes.

2) In exchange for taking the Rollo behind your roomate's back, you ended up sacrificing a minute but equal amount of respect which you may have had for your roommate in the first place at least in your conscious mind (your unconscious mind is debatable).

Although both of the sacrifices in the above points may seem insignificant, we must keep in mind that the "gains" were insignificant as well, thereby affirming the equal trade.

Ok a better example if this is to be debated,

I'm on a hot desert isle and am dehydrating. All of a sudden a helicopter comes out of nowhere, lands in front of me and my girlfriend comes out with a large glass of cool water.

What do I lose thats equal in this respect?

You lose the benefits of solving the problem on your own. Tell me, what do you think you'd gain more from: Getting out of the aforementioned scenario through relying on someone to come pick you up in a helicopter or using your own abilities (whether they be physical or mental) to find your own solution? If you were to find your own solution, you'd naturally get much stronger (be it mentally or physically) and would be able to have better performance when it comes to independence.

Of course, for better clarification, let us say that you're a child who is just now approaching mathematics and that you're now being coerced to solve mathematical problems in order to complete your school work. Let us then say that you quickly come across a mathematical problem that is seemingly of great difficulty. Now, if you were to rely on your parents (or anyone else) to solve the problem for you, the problem would be done and you'd have the benefit of not having had to devote your time working it out on your own. However, if you were to rely on your own abilities to eventually solve the problem, you may lose a great deal of your time, but the pay off will be that your knowledge and skill concerning mathematics will be even sharper.

At any rate: You may not like the alternative solution (and that's fine), but you surely can't deny its benefits.
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10/2/2008 8:21:16 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/2/2008 8:17:43 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
You lose the benefits of dying a horrible death. These benefits are obviously equal to the benefits of being rescued by the helicopter. An obviously equivalent exchange.

Fix'd
Logical-Master
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10/2/2008 8:29:01 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/2/2008 8:21:16 AM, beem0r wrote:
At 10/2/2008 8:17:43 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
You lose the benefits of dying a horrible death. These benefits are obviously equal to the benefits of being rescued by the helicopter. An obviously equivalent exchange.

Fix'd

A masochistic nihilist may actually be one to consider that beneficial. :P
Logical-Master
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10/2/2008 11:34:00 AM
Posted: 8 years ago
At 10/2/2008 8:29:01 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
At 10/2/2008 8:21:16 AM, beem0r wrote:
At 10/2/2008 8:17:43 AM, Logical-Master wrote:
You lose the benefits of dying a horrible death. These benefits are obviously equal to the benefits of being rescued by the helicopter. An obviously equivalent exchange.

Fix'd

A masochistic nihilist may actually be one to consider that beneficial. :P

Actually, for debates sake though, I shall approach this point anyway and "argue" even further.

This query simply concerns sacrificing benefits in exchange for benefits of equal value. I've exposed the benefits to the option which scissorhands least desires and you've exposed what could be detrimental to picking such an option. Thus, it is clear that I'd only need to point out what could be detrimental to the option which scissorhands wishes to pursue.

Thus, I shall point out what could very well happen if scissorhands were to get on the helpicopter: While getting on the helicopter and supposedly escaping to safety, the helicopter could very well get caught up in a powerful hurricane, only to kill the group off immediately. Or rather, these people who have supposedly come to "help" scissorhands could just as easily be people who wish to use him to further a a malicious agenda that concerns making scissorhands suffer or be cannibals who have simply come across an easy meal. The possibilities are endless. Vote CON.
scissorhands7
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10/2/2008 8:02:35 PM
Posted: 8 years ago
Vote CON.

You crack me up LM
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Danielle
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12/23/2008 10:53:41 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
No, modern science is not a bad thing.

Science = Knowledge = Truth = Better understanding of our world and existance.

What we do with what we learn is another story.

And our capability to make 'proper' use our of gained knowledge is yet another.
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PoeJoe
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12/26/2008 10:27:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/23/2008 10:53:41 PM, theLwerd wrote:
What we do with what we learn is another story.

And our capability to make 'proper' use our of gained knowledge is yet another.

Those are two rather big chunks you're disregarding.
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12/30/2008 8:55:26 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Science = Knowledge = Truth = Better understanding of our world and existance.

This is a tricky one. Modern Science can be a good thing but we have to make sure we don't lose ourselves along the way. Besides, facts are subjective. The word "fact" is just something accepted by the majority of the scientific community. Since human aren't perfect that means that all "facts" aren't "facts". Go science, lets just make sure we keep who we are and don't turn out like the humans in WALLE.
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Moral: Don't be an extremist, neither side can be right all the time. Sometimes, you have to make your own path.
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12/30/2008 10:03:00 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
The main reasons why people object to scientific advance or technological advances are:

1 - They are Ludites, i.e. they don't understand it and don't want to.
2 - They are religious fundamentalists
3 - Er...
4 - That's it
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12/30/2008 1:02:41 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
For me

Intelligence= ability to gain knowledge
Smart= one who possesses a lot of knowledge
knowledge= facts, information, and ideas
wisdom= understanding of how to use knowledge correctly
A man comes to a fork in a road. . He ends up going left where he is ran over by a car. Another person comes to the same fork and decides to right. He also gets ran over by a car. A third person comes to the same fork. He decides that walking up a road in the dark is not smart and takes the grassy middle of the fork. He survives.

Moral: Don't be an extremist, neither side can be right all the time. Sometimes, you have to make your own path.
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12/31/2008 5:54:29 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
A famous quote of Galileo Galilei :

'I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the Scriptures, but with experiments, and demonstrations.'

Oh. and another!

' I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.'
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1/18/2009 1:12:32 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Not most of the time either. You do realize that people live longer than ever and our standard of living is greater than the kings of old? Science did that. I think any balance could be had by looking at our society and saying... yeah the dark ages sucked, thank science.
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1/18/2009 2:10:44 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 1/18/2009 1:12:32 PM, Tatarize wrote:
Not most of the time either. You do realize that people live longer than ever and our standard of living is greater than the kings of old? Science did that. I think any balance could be had by looking at our society and saying... yeah the dark ages sucked, thank science.

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6/4/2009 6:44:50 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/30/2008 5:01:24 AM, PoeJoe wrote:
I've often heard this sentiment. What's your opinion?

My opinion: Sure, we now have greater means for torture and destruction. Sure, we have overpopulation. But, have you thought of this? No technology=no debate.org. QED!

no.
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6/11/2009 9:59:37 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/30/2008 5:01:24 AM, PoeJoe wrote:
I've often heard this sentiment. What's your opinion?

My opinion: Sure, we now have greater means for torture and destruction. Sure, we have overpopulation. But, have you thought of this? No technology=no debate.org. QED!

No.

Faith in modern science is bad. Belief in modern science is good.

"Scientists tell us X, so X is so" is bad. "Scientists tell us X, so assuming scientific standards Y and Z, X is likely true" is good.
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12/7/2009 10:30:20 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 12/7/2009 10:19:52 PM, desiflavour wrote:
"Is Modern Science a Bad Thing?"

what does that mean? what is the difference b/w modern science and science in the past??


Oops. I get it - u meant in terms of technology!
Still, just to point out that "science" is never a bad thing. Perhaps the application of it is debatable. And I think by this point everybody is aware that "it is a double edged sword" as someone before put it, or that it has its advantages and disadvantages. The more relevant question to ask is, "Do the pros outweigh the cons?" or vice versa.

And how/why?
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12/28/2009 8:05:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
It's not science necessarily. The fact that we learn more and gain more curiosity is what advances science. Without our brains science wouldnt evolve.

I say keep getting creative!