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Natural selection analogy contd.

Riwaaz_Ras
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7/16/2016 12:40:52 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
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The returning soldiers, by the laws of statistics will be biased towards better guns, because they don't die as often.

Being biased doesn't make anything non random.

A biased die gives random results.
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Aran55633
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7/16/2016 1:14:06 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 12:40:52 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
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The returning soldiers, by the laws of statistics will be biased towards better guns, because they don't die as often.

Being biased doesn't make anything non random.

A biased die gives random results.

Look up the meaning of the word biased. You are completely and hilariously wrong.
Riwaaz_Ras
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7/16/2016 1:35:32 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 1:14:06 PM, Aran55633 wrote:
At 7/16/2016 12:40:52 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

The returning soldiers, by the laws of statistics will be biased towards better guns, because they don't die as often.

Being biased doesn't make anything non random.

A biased die gives random results.

Look up the meaning of the word biased. You are completely and hilariously wrong.

biased - /
adjective
1. unfairly prejudiced for or against someone or something.

bias - /
verb
1. cause to feel or show inclination or prejudice for or against someone or something.
2. give a bias to.
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Ramshutu
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7/16/2016 2:22:19 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 12:40:52 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

The returning soldiers, by the laws of statistics will be biased towards better guns, because they don't die as often.

Being biased doesn't make anything non random.

A biased die gives random results.

You've already conceded its non random.
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7/16/2016 2:24:33 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 2:22:19 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 7/16/2016 12:40:52 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

The returning soldiers, by the laws of statistics will be biased towards better guns, because they don't die as often.

Being biased doesn't make anything non random.

A biased die gives random results.

You've already conceded its non random.

I would stick to ' natural selection is 100% random '.

You failed.
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7/16/2016 2:34:25 PM
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I don't understand why you spun off your own relatively young thread to make this point, Riwaaz.

I also don't understand what point you're trying to make, but think you might be conflating randomness with fairness. The two are quite different.
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7/16/2016 2:41:23 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 2:34:25 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
I don't understand why you spun off your own relatively young thread to make this point, Riwaaz.

wait n watch.

I also don't understand what point you're trying to make, but think you might be conflating randomness with fairness. The two are quite different.

No, I am saying the exact same thing. Randomness and fairness are very different.

In the previous thread, shutu could prove that natural selection is biased but that doesn't make it non random.
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7/16/2016 2:41:59 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 2:24:33 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/16/2016 2:22:19 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 7/16/2016 12:40:52 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

The returning soldiers, by the laws of statistics will be biased towards better guns, because they don't die as often.

Being biased doesn't make anything non random.

A biased die gives random results.

You've already conceded its non random.

I would stick to ' natural selection is 100% random '.

You failed.

Then go back and answer the question
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7/16/2016 2:43:52 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 2:41:59 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 7/16/2016 2:24:33 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/16/2016 2:22:19 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 7/16/2016 12:40:52 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

The returning soldiers, by the laws of statistics will be biased towards better guns, because they don't die as often.

Being biased doesn't make anything non random.

A biased die gives random results.

You've already conceded its non random.

I would stick to ' natural selection is 100% random '.

You failed.

Then go back and answer the question

ASK THE QUESTION.
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Ramshutu
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7/16/2016 2:47:12 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 2:24:33 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/16/2016 2:22:19 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 7/16/2016 12:40:52 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

The returning soldiers, by the laws of statistics will be biased towards better guns, because they don't die as often.

Being biased doesn't make anything non random.

A biased die gives random results.

You've already conceded its non random.

I would stick to ' natural selection is 100% random '.

You failed.

It's not random though, I explained why, and you accepted it. If you don't accept it, explain why.
RuvDraba
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7/16/2016 3:01:24 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 2:41:23 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/16/2016 2:34:25 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
I don't understand why you spun off your own relatively young thread to make this point, Riwaaz.

wait n watch.

I also don't understand what point you're trying to make, but think you might be conflating randomness with fairness. The two are quite different.
In the previous thread, shutu could prove that natural selection is biased but that doesn't make it non random.

I still don't understand the point. Randomness is generally defined by unpredictability -- it's a measure of information entropy. Some mutations are inherited; some are new. The inherited ones are statistically predictable -- they tend to be skewed to the beneficial and harmless; the new ones (so far as I know) aren't. So inherited ones are biased by survivability; new ones may not be so biased until they're inherited by another generation. What more is there to conclude?
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7/16/2016 3:01:53 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/16/2016 2:47:12 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 7/16/2016 2:24:33 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 7/16/2016 2:22:19 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 7/16/2016 12:40:52 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
http://www.debate.org...

The returning soldiers, by the laws of statistics will be biased towards better guns, because they don't die as often.

Being biased doesn't make anything non random.

A biased die gives random results.

You've already conceded its non random.

I would stick to ' natural selection is 100% random '.

You failed.

It's not random though, I explained why, and you accepted it. If you don't accept it, explain why.

Because natural selection is based upon random mutations.

RANDOM RESULTS IN RANDOM.
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