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7/31/2016 9:51:08 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 7/31/2016 7:28:21 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
A new technology of recreating the sun processes using twisting plasma vortexes.



Hope this works out to be efficient and safe; if it does, it just might have solved the world's energy problem.
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7/31/2016 3:13:01 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 7/31/2016 9:51:08 AM, KthulhuHimself wrote:
At 7/31/2016 7:28:21 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
A new technology of recreating the sun processes using twisting plasma vortexes.



Hope this works out to be efficient and safe; if it does, it just might have solved the world's energy problem.

I suspect that energy in will always equal energy out in any plasma based device. Replicating the sun isn't easy. Just separating the boron and hydrogen would cost more energy than that which is gained in the final product. lol
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7/31/2016 3:28:17 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 7/31/2016 3:13:01 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 7/31/2016 9:51:08 AM, KthulhuHimself wrote:
At 7/31/2016 7:28:21 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
A new technology of recreating the sun processes using twisting plasma vortexes.



Hope this works out to be efficient and safe; if it does, it just might have solved the world's energy problem.

I suspect that energy in will always equal energy out in any plasma based device.
You don't say; ever heard about the law of conservation of energy? I doubt it...
Replicating the sun isn't easy. Just separating the boron and hydrogen would cost more energy than that which is gained in the final product. lol

Not really, you gain back the energy put into the reaction in the form of heat; that's why the sun works.

Energy in + starting materials = Energy in as heat + energy out.
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8/1/2016 5:00:04 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 7/31/2016 3:28:17 PM, KthulhuHimself wrote:

Not really, you gain back the energy put into the reaction in the form of heat; that's why the sun works.

The sun works because it has an inherent strong gravity which does all the work automatically. Earth doesn't have a strong inherent gravity. Thus, we have to artificially create a strong gravity. Thus, creating an artificial gravity uses a lot of energy. The amount of energy used to create an artificial gravity equals the amount of energy that you get out of the fusion process. Thus, your net gain is zero.

Energy in + starting materials = Energy in as heat + energy out.
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8/1/2016 12:01:53 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 8/1/2016 5:00:04 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 7/31/2016 3:28:17 PM, KthulhuHimself wrote:

Not really, you gain back the energy put into the reaction in the form of heat; that's why the sun works.

The sun works because it has an inherent strong gravity which does all the work automatically. Earth doesn't have a strong inherent gravity. Thus, we have to artificially create a strong gravity. Thus, creating an artificial gravity uses a lot of energy.

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Gravity is an inherent product of mass; it requires no energy to create gravity. Earth's gravity is just what it needs to be, and can be easily calculated using g=G*M/(r^2); using this formula, you can see why earth's gravity is what it is, without need of creating an "artificial" gravity.
The amount of energy used to create an artificial gravity equals the amount of energy that you get out of the fusion process.
Nonsense.
Thus, your net gain is zero.
Doesn't follow.
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8/1/2016 12:24:18 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 8/1/2016 12:01:53 PM, KthulhuHimself wrote:

The amount of energy used to create an artificial gravity equals the amount of energy that you get out of the fusion process.
Nonsense.
Thus, your net gain is zero.
Doesn't follow.

You are becoming more brain dead as each day passes. I am talking about the Sun's gravity numbskull!
To recreate the SUN'S GRAVITY requires a lot of energy. Its like trying to convince anybody on this website of anything, it takes a lot of energy. lol
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8/1/2016 12:35:29 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 8/1/2016 12:24:18 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 8/1/2016 12:01:53 PM, KthulhuHimself wrote:

The amount of energy used to create an artificial gravity equals the amount of energy that you get out of the fusion process.
Nonsense.
Thus, your net gain is zero.
Doesn't follow.

You are becoming more brain dead as each day passes. I am talking about the Sun's gravity numbskull!

Ad-hominem.
To recreate the SUN'S GRAVITY requires a lot of energy. Its like trying to convince anybody on this website of anything, it takes a lot of energy. lol

They never attempt at recreating the sun's gravity. They simply apply forces equal to those present within the sun, and then get the energy spent to apply those forces back as heat. You seem to not understand the difference between force and energy.

As I have said before; energy in + starting materials = energy in as heat + energy out.
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8/1/2016 2:58:15 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 8/1/2016 12:35:29 PM, KthulhuHimself wrote:


They never attempt at recreating the sun's gravity. They simply apply forces equal to those present within the sun, and then get the energy spent to apply those forces back as heat. You seem to not understand the difference between force and energy.

As I have said before; energy in + starting materials = energy in as heat + energy out.

You have contradicted yourself. If they apply forces that are equal to the SUN'S GRAVITY then they are trying to recreate it! The sun's gravity is the the key to free energy but that doesn't necessarily mean that we are going to get any. All we can get is secondary energy from the sun.
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8/1/2016 3:21:30 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 8/1/2016 2:58:15 PM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 8/1/2016 12:35:29 PM, KthulhuHimself wrote:


They never attempt at recreating the sun's gravity. They simply apply forces equal to those present within the sun, and then get the energy spent to apply those forces back as heat. You seem to not understand the difference between force and energy.

As I have said before; energy in + starting materials = energy in as heat + energy out.

You have contradicted yourself. If they apply forces that are equal to the SUN'S GRAVITY then they are trying to recreate it! The sun's gravity is the the key to free energy but that doesn't necessarily mean that we are going to get any. All we can get is secondary energy from the sun.

GRAVITY = ACCELERATION

ACCELERATION = FORCE/MASS

FORCE =/= ENERGY

Gravity has nothing to do with energy.
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8/1/2016 4:27:32 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 7/31/2016 7:28:21 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
A new technology of recreating the sun processes using twisting plasma vortexes.


More fusion woo woo from the great Eric Lerner, master of woo.
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8/2/2016 1:41:17 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 8/1/2016 3:21:30 PM, KthulhuHimself wrote:


You have contradicted yourself. If they apply forces that are equal to the SUN'S GRAVITY then they are trying to recreate it! The sun's gravity is the the key to free energy but that doesn't necessarily mean that we are going to get any. All we can get is secondary energy from the sun.

GRAVITY = ACCELERATION

ACCELERATION = FORCE/MASS

FORCE =/= ENERGY

Gravity has nothing to do with energy.

More nonsense!

Gravity = Aether flow

Neutron = Black hole

Blackhole = Mass

No blackhole - No mass

No aether flow - no gravity

No brains - no result! lol
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8/2/2016 11:27:03 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 8/2/2016 1:41:17 AM, Akhenaten wrote:
At 8/1/2016 3:21:30 PM, KthulhuHimself wrote:


You have contradicted yourself. If they apply forces that are equal to the SUN'S GRAVITY then they are trying to recreate it! The sun's gravity is the the key to free energy but that doesn't necessarily mean that we are going to get any. All we can get is secondary energy from the sun.

GRAVITY = ACCELERATION

ACCELERATION = FORCE/MASS

FORCE =/= ENERGY

Gravity has nothing to do with energy.


More nonsense!

Gravity = Aether flow

Neutron = Black hole

Blackhole = Mass

No blackhole - No mass

No aether flow - no gravity

No brains - no result! lol

Indeed, what you spout out now IS more nonsense. If you don't even know the difference between force, acceleration and energy, some of the most rudimentary aspects of physics; I don't know what you're doing here, claiming to understand actually deeper aspects of it.
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8/2/2016 8:52:01 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Fusion has already reached the break-even point and the remaining questions are what would be the cheapest and easiest ways to start developing the technology. It may actually be that different types of fusion also offer advantages at different scales and, for example, recently experts in the field argued a small home fusion generator could be feasible. Continuing advances with lasers promise to change the world as we know it in a manner similar to the invention of radio with lasers increasingly providing bandwidth replacements to what we normally think of as requiring electricity and radio-waves.
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8/4/2016 1:17:05 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 8/2/2016 8:52:01 PM, wuliheron wrote:
Fusion has already reached the break-even point and the remaining questions are what would be the cheapest and easiest ways to start developing the technology. It may actually be that different types of fusion also offer advantages at different scales and, for example, recently experts in the field argued a small home fusion generator could be feasible. Continuing advances with lasers promise to change the world as we know it in a manner similar to the invention of radio with lasers increasingly providing bandwidth replacements to what we normally think of as requiring electricity and radio-waves.

Fusion will never go past the break-even limit. That's because you have to duplicate the sun's gravity in order to achieve fusion. Duplicating the sun's gravity costs the same amount of energy that you get from the fusion reaction. Thus, the the net return after cost equals zero. Its just a matter of good accounting and commonsense. (Note - The laws of thermodynamics don't allow for free energy)
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8/4/2016 3:44:58 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 8/4/2016 1:17:05 AM, Akhenaten wrote:

Fusion will never go past the break-even limit. That's because you have to duplicate the sun's gravity in order to achieve fusion. Duplicating the sun's gravity costs the same amount of energy that you get from the fusion reaction. Thus, the the net return after cost equals zero. Its just a matter of good accounting and commonsense. (Note - The laws of thermodynamics don't allow for free energy)

According to the National Science Foundation one in five Americans insists the sun revolves around the earth. Despite the ancient Greeks proving the world was round, for thousands of years "commonsense" said it was flat. This is physics, not commonsense, and I suggest you might find the subject actually fascinating if you care to look at the evidence.
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8/5/2016 12:45:29 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 8/4/2016 3:44:58 PM, wuliheron wrote:
At 8/4/2016 1:17:05 AM, Akhenaten wrote:

Fusion will never go past the break-even limit. That's because you have to duplicate the sun's gravity in order to achieve fusion. Duplicating the sun's gravity costs the same amount of energy that you get from the fusion reaction. Thus, the the net return after cost equals zero. Its just a matter of good accounting and commonsense. (Note - The laws of thermodynamics don't allow for free energy)

According to the National Science Foundation one in five Americans insists the sun revolves around the earth. Despite the ancient Greeks proving the world was round, for thousands of years "commonsense" said it was flat. This is physics, not commonsense, and I suggest you might find the subject actually fascinating if you care to look at the evidence.

Commonsense is very rare. Very few scientists have it. Despite the fact that the Earth revolves around the sun. Everything in the universe is relative and nothing truly revolves around anything. Thus, both sides of the argument are wrong. You can only say that one object APPEARS to revolve around another, but you can never be certain 100% certain.
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8/5/2016 2:02:34 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 8/5/2016 12:45:29 AM, Akhenaten wrote:

Commonsense is very rare. Very few scientists have it. Despite the fact that the Earth revolves around the sun. Everything in the universe is relative and nothing truly revolves around anything. Thus, both sides of the argument are wrong. You can only say that one object APPEARS to revolve around another, but you can never be certain 100% certain.

According to every study ever done the only thing common about common sense is that everyone agrees nobody has any. That's the all the certainty that I require.