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8/25/2016 10:10:35 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
http://beforeitsnews.com...

"Mountains" of evidence suggests so. pun intended.
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8/26/2016 4:34:43 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/25/2016 10:10:35 PM, Edlvsjd wrote:
http://beforeitsnews.com...

"Mountains" of evidence suggests so. pun intended.

Present your evidence. (You'll need something more than picture of stumps)
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8/26/2016 2:19:43 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/26/2016 4:34:43 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 8/25/2016 10:10:35 PM, Edlvsjd wrote:
http://beforeitsnews.com...

"Mountains" of evidence suggests so. pun intended.

Present your evidence. (You'll need something more than picture of stumps)

http://o.aolcdn.com...
this is what is called ancient trees, which appear to be sawed, do you think that ancient trees got no bigger than this? Look carefully in the background at the stump... these are mere branches from the huge tree.
They claim that this masterpiece is made from erupting lava, but in the end, they don't know how it was formed
https://www.nps.gov...
Lava cannot form elegant hexagonal columns 50-100 feet tall, each strand seperate from each other.
http://www.americansouthwest.net...
as you can see, the top of devils tower is almost straight leveled as though cut with a monstrous chainsaw.
https://naturetime.files.wordpress.com...
this is a cross section of a plant
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...
this is lava cracks
http://cdn.pcwallart.com...
Root structure is starting
http://media.gettyimages.com...

My research has only just begun on this, but it's pretty conclusive so far
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8/26/2016 2:25:50 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
The "forests" that we know today are but like bushes in comparison.
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8/26/2016 3:30:42 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/26/2016 2:19:43 PM, Edlvsjd wrote:
At 8/26/2016 4:34:43 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 8/25/2016 10:10:35 PM, Edlvsjd wrote:
http://beforeitsnews.com...

"Mountains" of evidence suggests so. pun intended.

Present your evidence. (You'll need something more than picture of stumps)

http://o.aolcdn.com...
this is what is called ancient trees, which appear to be sawed, do you think that ancient trees got no bigger than this? Look carefully in the background at the stump... these are mere branches from the huge tree.
They claim that this masterpiece is made from erupting lava, but in the end, they don't know how it was formed
https://www.nps.gov...
Lava cannot form elegant hexagonal columns 50-100 feet tall, each strand seperate from each other.
http://www.americansouthwest.net...
as you can see, the top of devils tower is almost straight leveled as though cut with a monstrous chainsaw.
https://naturetime.files.wordpress.com...
this is a cross section of a plant
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...
this is lava cracks
http://cdn.pcwallart.com...
Root structure is starting
http://media.gettyimages.com...

My research has only just begun on this, but it's pretty conclusive so far

Yes, it's pretty conclusive you don't know what research is.
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8/26/2016 8:12:07 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
You guys just here to hate a little bit right, nothing at all in the way of evidence to offer?
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8/26/2016 8:14:07 PM
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love my haters <3
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8/26/2016 9:32:38 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/26/2016 2:19:43 PM, Edlvsjd wrote:
At 8/26/2016 4:34:43 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 8/25/2016 10:10:35 PM, Edlvsjd wrote:
http://beforeitsnews.com...

"Mountains" of evidence suggests so. pun intended.

Present your evidence. (You'll need something more than picture of stumps)

http://o.aolcdn.com...
this is what is called ancient trees, which appear to be sawed

Show me the tool marks from sawing. Absent that it is much more likely these trees broke after becoming petrified.

do you think that ancient trees got no bigger than this?

No. That is not a very large tree even by todays standards.

Look carefully in the background at the stump... these are mere branches from the huge tree.

Lol, no, I don't see a stump. I see what might be a mountain in the distance.

They claim that this masterpiece is made from erupting lava, but in the end, they don't know how it was formed

Actually, they claim that this was formed underground by magma and we have many other examples of this type of formations - some that look nothing like tree stumps.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com...
http://www.windingwatersrafting.com...

https://www.nps.gov...
Lava cannot form elegant hexagonal columns 50-100 feet tall, each strand seperate from each other.

http://www.americansouthwest.net...

That's not true (see above), but just to be clear, geologists claim Devil's tower was formed by magma, not lava. Regardless, lava/magma can form into columnar basalt:

http://www.wired.com...

as you can see, the top of devils tower is almost straight leveled as though cut with a monstrous chainsaw.
https://naturetime.files.wordpress.com...

No, the flat top and straight lines in this picture are from a glacier grinding its way across the formation. Plus, that's not the top of Devil's tower. That is the Devil's Postpile in California.

this is a cross section of a plant
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...

Yes, and we can see there are almost no straight sides, and no hexagons. Plus, as I pointed out in the other thread this picture is under 40X magnification. It's tiny! I am assuming you believe the columns to be part of the xylem or phloem (X&P) and this is hugely problematic for your conjecture. Since, X&P are basically a (microscopic) straw for transport of water, the massive diameter of your alleged tree X&P means a tremendous amount of suction would have to be generated to lift water at all much less lift it all the way to the top of your outrageously tall tree! Basically, it seems that transpiration is only viable to about 130 meters with normal bundles of xylem and phloem cells (http://www.nature.com...) and not feasible with sewer pipe sized X&P and a conjectured height of 300 meters!!

this is lava cracks
http://cdn.pcwallart.com...

That's a lava pool which is unlikely to be end up being hexagonal shaped.

Root structure is starting
http://media.gettyimages.com...

First, roots are not so uniform:
https://www.treebee.org.uk...
http://thumb9.shutterstock.com...
http://triggerpit.com...

Secondly, these roots are completely inadequate to support your tree. Redwoods/Sequoias typically reach about 90 meters and have roots extending out about 15 m (and intertwine with roots from other trees), so a tree 300 meters tall with a mile of circumference around the base would likely need something much much wider. That is not part of this formation so far as I can tell.

My research has only just begun on this, but it's pretty conclusive so far

Not conclusive, just biased.
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8/26/2016 11:12:36 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/26/2016 8:12:07 PM, Edlvsjd wrote:
You guys just here to hate a little bit right, nothing at all in the way of evidence to offer?

But, you have provided a ton of evidence to show the sheer stupidity of this thread. Mountains, in fact.
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8/26/2016 11:54:57 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/26/2016 9:32:38 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 8/26/2016 2:19:43 PM, Edlvsjd wrote:
At 8/26/2016 4:34:43 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 8/25/2016 10:10:35 PM, Edlvsjd wrote:
http://beforeitsnews.com...

"Mountains" of evidence suggests so. pun intended.

Present your evidence. (You'll need something more than picture of stumps)

http://o.aolcdn.com...
this is what is called ancient trees, which appear to be sawed

Show me the tool marks from sawing. Absent that it is much more likely these trees broke after becoming petrified.
I said they appeared to be sawed, as in straight edged pieces, very unlikely that each piece broke from the other in flat, uniform cuts such as this
http://l7.alamy.com...
breaking would look more like this, somewhat uniform, but not flat (furthest left)
https://anotherheader.files.wordpress.com...

do you think that ancient trees got no bigger than this?

No. That is not a very large tree even by todays standards.
yet you accept that this is an ancient tree, where are the petrified giants?

Look carefully in the background at the stump... these are mere branches from the huge tree.

Lol, no, I don't see a stump. I see what might be a mountain in the distance.
Exactly.

They claim that this masterpiece is made from erupting lava, but in the end, they don't know how it was formed

Actually, they claim that this was formed underground by magma and we have many other examples of this type of formations - some that look nothing like tree stumps.
Did you actually read this garbage? Magma cannot crack like this, it would be completely random and independent, where is the volcano now?, lol, they say they found them in forming eruptions on mars, as if that isn't a strawman, show me this happening on earth

http://3.bp.blogspot.com...
thats only looking up close, here is what's left of the stump:
http://www.passportchop.com...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com...
This in no way looks like the other formations, and again, where is this? why show me a small part of it if you're proving it isn't a stump?
http://www.windingwatersrafting.com...
Again, where is this? Why couldn't this be the edge of an enormous tree?

https://www.nps.gov...
Lava cannot form elegant hexagonal columns 50-100 feet tall, each strand seperate from each other.

http://www.americansouthwest.net...


That's not true (see above), but just to be clear, geologists claim Devil's tower was formed by magma, not lava. Regardless, lava/magma can form into columnar basalt:

http://www.wired.com...

I know full well what modern science claims, I'm telling you they must've been looking at this through a welders mask if they've concluded this. Can this be reproduced or replicated in laboratories?

as you can see, the top of devils tower is almost straight leveled as though cut with a monstrous chainsaw.
https://naturetime.files.wordpress.com...

No, the flat top and straight lines in this picture are from a glacier grinding its way across the formation. Plus, that's not the top of Devil's tower. That is the Devil's Postpile in California.
Another old tree stump
http://www.outdoorproject.com...

this is a cross section of a plant
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...

Yes, and we can see there are almost no straight sides, and no hexagons.
http://secretenergy.agwmn5ykwf6t.netdna-cdn.com...
Plus, as I pointed out in the other thread this picture is under 40X magnification. It's tiny! I am assuming you believe the columns to be part of the xylem or phloem (X&P) and this is hugely problematic for your conjecture. Since, X&P are basically a (microscopic) straw for transport of water, the massive diameter of your alleged tree X&P means a tremendous amount of suction would have to be generated to lift water at all much less lift it all the way to the top of your outrageously tall tree! Basically, it seems that transpiration is only viable to about 130 meters with normal bundles of xylem and phloem cells (http://www.nature.com...) and not feasible with sewer pipe sized X&P and a conjectured height of 300 meters!!
So you're saying that the great tree didn't have enough strength to take care of itself?

this is lava cracks
http://cdn.pcwallart.com...

That's a lava pool which is unlikely to be end up being hexagonal shaped.
So what is the difference between lava acting like this above ground and what would happen to it underground? Now pay special attention to the following two pictures: "How to hang fiber ceiling". So how can this be explained in the volcanic version? Did lava drip to the ground and did not reach it somehow?
http://secretenergy.com...
http://secretenergy.com...

Root structure is starting
http://media.gettyimages.com...

First, roots are not so uniform:
https://www.treebee.org.uk...
spot ten differences:

http://secretenergy.com...
http://secretenergy.com...
http://secretenergy.com...
http://secretenergy.com...
http://secretenergy.com...
Venezuela
http://secretenergy.com...
http://thumb9.shutterstock.com...
http://triggerpit.com...

You pointing out a few mangled routes from current date trees is not relative to what might have happened a couple of thousand years ago

Secondly, these roots are completely inadequate to support your tree. Redwoods/Sequoias typically reach about 90 meters and have roots extending out about 15 m (and intertwine with roots from other trees), so a tree 300 meters tall with a mile of circumference around the base would likely need something much much wider. That is not part of this formation so far as I can tell.
You haven't taken into account the pile of rubble around it
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com...
how do you know the height? It looks proportional 2 a sequoia tree if you and count for what is falling off of Devils Tower around it.

My research has only just begun on this, but it's pretty conclusive so far

Not conclusive, just biased.
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8/27/2016 6:57:02 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/26/2016 11:54:57 PM, Edlvsjd wrote:

http://o.aolcdn.com...
this is what is called ancient trees, which appear to be sawed

Show me the tool marks from sawing. Absent that it is much more likely these trees broke after becoming petrified.
I said they appeared to be sawed, as in straight edged pieces, very unlikely that each piece broke from the other in flat, uniform cuts such as this
http://l7.alamy.com...
breaking would look more like this, somewhat uniform, but not flat (furthest left)
https://anotherheader.files.wordpress.com...

First photo does not have even edges like a cut, and both photos are from the same place (petrified forest national park).

do you think that ancient trees got no bigger than this?

No. That is not a very large tree even by todays standards.
yet you accept that this is an ancient tree, where are the petrified giants?

Re-read my words.

Lol, no, I don't see a stump. I see what might be a mountain in the distance.
Exactly.

You need to re-read my words. Mountain=/=stump

Did you actually read this garbage? Magma cannot crack like this, it would be completely random and independent, where is the volcano now?, lol, they say they found them in forming eruptions on mars, as if that isn't a strawman, show me this happening on earth

http://images.lmgtfy.com...


http://3.bp.blogspot.com...
thats only looking up close, here is what's left of the stump:

and another:

http://www.geocities.co.jp....

I'm curious how you explain the pillowy tops of these columns.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com...
This in no way looks like the other formations, and again, where is this? why show me a small part of it if you're proving it isn't a stump?

I drop this one - I can't find where it came from.

http://www.windingwatersrafting.com...
Again, where is this? Why couldn't this be the edge of an enormous tree?

Riggins, Idaho - Salmon river.

https://www.nps.gov...
Lava cannot form elegant hexagonal columns 50-100 feet tall, each strand seperate from each other.

http://www.americansouthwest.net...


That's not true (see above), but just to be clear, geologists claim Devil's tower was formed by magma, not lava. Regardless, lava/magma can form into columnar basalt:

http://www.wired.com...

I know full well what modern science claims, I'm telling you they must've been looking at this through a welders mask if they've concluded this. Can this be reproduced or replicated in laboratories?

If you cant be bothered to read the article, then I doubt very seriously you're being open-minded (the answer is in the article).

as you can see, the top of devils tower is almost straight leveled as though cut with a monstrous chainsaw.
https://naturetime.files.wordpress.com...

No, the flat top and straight lines in this picture are from a glacier grinding its way across the formation. Plus, that's not the top of Devil's tower. That is the Devil's Postpile in California.
Another old tree stump

I was hoping you would own up to your mistake not try to gloss over it.

this is a cross section of a plant
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...

Yes, and we can see there are almost no straight sides, and no hexagons.
http://secretenergy.agwmn5ykwf6t.netdna-cdn.com...
Plus, as I pointed out in the other thread this picture is under 40X magnification. It's tiny! I am assuming you believe the columns to be part of the xylem or phloem (X&P) and this is hugely problematic for your conjecture. Since, X&P are basically a (microscopic) straw for transport of water, the massive diameter of your alleged tree X&P means a tremendous amount of suction would have to be generated to lift water at all much less lift it all the way to the top of your outrageously tall tree! Basically, it seems that transpiration is only viable to about 130 meters with normal bundles of xylem and phloem cells (http://www.nature.com...) and not feasible with sewer pipe sized X&P and a conjectured height of 300 meters!!
So you're saying that the great tree didn't have enough strength to take care of itself?

No, I'm saying what you think to be supersized structures of a tree could never be functional. If the structures could have never moved water and nutrients, then the formation could have never been a tree.

this is lava cracks
http://cdn.pcwallart.com...

That's a lava pool which is unlikely to be end up being hexagonal shaped.
So what is the difference between lava acting like this above ground and what would happen to it underground? Now pay special attention to the following two pictures: "How to hang fiber ceiling". So how can this be explained in the volcanic version? Did lava drip to the ground and did not reach it somehow?
http://secretenergy.com...
http://secretenergy.com...

Since I understand these types of formations to happen underground (the magma forces its way up between layers and there is no "dripping"), I think better questions might be: Have the columns eroded any since their formation? How could running water, such as a river (nearby), affect this formation?

Root structure is starting
http://media.gettyimages.com...

First, roots are not so uniform:
https://www.treebee.org.uk...
spot ten differences:

Not impressed. I told you from the beginning you would need more than pictures of stumps.

You pointing out a few mangled routes from current date trees is not relative to what might have happened a couple of thousand years ago

And modern stumps are relative to structures formed millions of years ago?? Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

Secondly, these roots are completely inadequate to support your tree. Redwoods/Sequoias typically reach about 90 meters and have roots extending out about 15 m (and intertwine with roots from other trees), so a tree 300 meters tall with a mile of circumference around the base would likely need something much much wider. That is not part of this formation so far as I can tell.
You haven't taken into account the pile of rubble around it

The debris pile is not part of the structure - at least not anymore.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com...
how do you know the height? It looks proportional 2 a sequoia tree if you and count for what is falling off of Devils Tower around it.

I got that figure from the video and sites you tend to use to support your arguments.
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8/27/2016 7:11:09 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/27/2016 6:57:02 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
I said they appeared to be sawed, as in straight edged pieces, very unlikely that each piece broke from the other in flat, uniform cuts such as this
http://l7.alamy.com...
breaking would look more like this, somewhat uniform, but not flat (furthest left)
https://anotherheader.files.wordpress.com...

First photo does not have even edges like a cut,
yes, to mine and a lot of other people do too, look again
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com...
and both photos are from the same place (petrified forest national park).
right, meaning some are broken, some are sawn

You need to re-read my words. Mountain=/=stump

right I understood what you were saying, I'm saying it is a stump, the whole reason for the thread do you accept the explanation for how a tree can be turned into semiprecious stone as opposed to rotting?



http://images.lmgtfy.com...
That is not lava currently forming into columns, this has already "formed," and speculated, nothing else suggests any volcanic activity except the scientific community


http://3.bp.blogspot.com...
thats only looking up close, here is what's left of the stump:


and another:

http://www.geocities.co.jp....

http://www.penghu-nsa.gov.tw...
your not looking at the big picture, tree stump


I'm curious how you explain the pillowy tops of these columns.

http://aktimber.com...



I drop this one - I can't find where it came from.

Riggins, Idaho - Salmon river.

https://www.nps.gov...
Lava cannot form elegant hexagonal columns 50-100 feet tall, each strand seperate from each other.

http://www.americansouthwest.net...


That's not true (see above), but just to be clear, geologists claim Devil's tower was formed by magma, not lava. Regardless, lava/magma can form into columnar basalt:

http://www.wired.com...

I know full well what modern science claims, I'm telling you they must've been looking at this through a welders mask if they've concluded this. Can this be reproduced or replicated in laboratories?

If you cant be bothered to read the article, then I doubt very seriously you're being open-minded (the answer is in the article).
I read it, it's impossible


https://naturetime.files.wordpress.com...

No, the flat top and straight lines in this picture are from a glacier grinding its way across the formation. Plus, that's not the top of Devil's tower. That is the Devil's Postpile in California.
Another old tree stump

I was hoping you would own up to your mistake not try to gloss over it.
opinion

this is a cross section of a plant
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...

Yes, and we can see there are almost no straight sides, and no hexagons.
http://secretenergy.agwmn5ykwf6t.netdna-cdn.com...


No, I'm saying what you think to be supersized structures of a tree could never be functional. If the structures could have never moved water and nutrients, then the formation could have never been a tree.
it could be silicon based, I don't believe in petrification at all.

this is lava cracks
http://cdn.pcwallart.com...

That's a lava pool which is unlikely to be end up being hexagonal shaped.
So what is the difference between lava acting like this above ground and what would happen to it underground? Now pay special attention to the following two pictures: "How to hang fiber ceiling". So how can this be explained in the volcanic version? Did lava drip to the ground and did not reach it somehow?
http://secretenergy.com...
http://secretenergy.com...

Since I understand these types of formations to happen underground (the magma forces its way up between layers and there is no "dripping"), I think better questions might be: Have the columns eroded any since their formation? How could running water, such as a river (nearby), affect this formation?
come on, do you see a river? erosion does break the rock

Root structure is starting
http://media.gettyimages.com...

First, roots are not so uniform:
https://www.treebee.org.uk...
spot ten differences:

Not impressed. I told you from the beginning you would need more than pictures of stumps.
you showed me yours first

You pointing out a few mangled routes from current date trees is not relative to what might have happened a couple of thousand years ago

And modern stumps are relative to structures formed millions of years ago?? Sorry, you can't have it both ways.
my point is there are many kinds of trees, and likewise for stumps, you are stereotyping trees

Secondly, these roots are completely inadequate to support your tree. Redwoods/Sequoias typically reach about 90 meters and have roots extending out about 15 m (and intertwine with roots from other trees), so a tree 300 meters tall with a mile of circumference around the base would likely need something much much wider. That is not part of this formation so far as I can tell.
You haven't taken into account the pile of rubble around it

The debris pile is not part of the structure - at least not anymore.
right so it could have been an outer layer of the tree
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com...
how do you know the height? It looks proportional 2 a sequoia tree if you and count for what is falling off of Devils Tower around it.

I got that figure from the video and sites
twhere? nobody knows for sure
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8/27/2016 9:10:11 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/27/2016 7:11:09 PM, Edlvsjd wrote:
At 8/27/2016 6:57:02 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
I said they appeared to be sawed, as in straight edged pieces, very unlikely that each piece broke from the other in flat, uniform cuts such as this
http://l7.alamy.com...
breaking would look more like this, somewhat uniform, but not flat (furthest left)
https://anotherheader.files.wordpress.com...

First photo does not have even edges like a cut,
yes, to mine and a lot of other people do too, look again
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com...
and both photos are from the same place (petrified forest national park).
right, meaning some are broken, some are sawn

You need to re-read my words. Mountain=/=stump

right I understood what you were saying, I'm saying it is a stump, the whole reason for the thread do you accept the explanation for how a tree can be turned into semiprecious stone as opposed to rotting?



http://images.lmgtfy.com...
That is not lava currently forming into columns, this has already "formed," and speculated, nothing else suggests any volcanic activity except the scientific community


http://3.bp.blogspot.com...
thats only looking up close, here is what's left of the stump:


and another:

http://www.geocities.co.jp....

http://www.penghu-nsa.gov.tw...
your not looking at the big picture, tree stump


I'm curious how you explain the pillowy tops of these columns.

http://aktimber.com...



I drop this one - I can't find where it came from.

Riggins, Idaho - Salmon river.

https://www.nps.gov...
Lava cannot form elegant hexagonal columns 50-100 feet tall, each strand seperate from each other.

http://www.americansouthwest.net...


That's not true (see above), but just to be clear, geologists claim Devil's tower was formed by magma, not lava. Regardless, lava/magma can form into columnar basalt:

http://www.wired.com...

I know full well what modern science claims, I'm telling you they must've been looking at this through a welders mask if they've concluded this. Can this be reproduced or replicated in laboratories?

If you cant be bothered to read the article, then I doubt very seriously you're being open-minded (the answer is in the article).
I read it, it's impossible


https://naturetime.files.wordpress.com...

No, the flat top and straight lines in this picture are from a glacier grinding its way across the formation. Plus, that's not the top of Devil's tower. That is the Devil's Postpile in California.
Another old tree stump

I was hoping you would own up to your mistake not try to gloss over it.
opinion

this is a cross section of a plant
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...

Yes, and we can see there are almost no straight sides, and no hexagons.
http://secretenergy.agwmn5ykwf6t.netdna-cdn.com...


No, I'm saying what you think to be supersized structures of a tree could never be functional. If the structures could have never moved water and nutrients, then the formation could have never been a tree.
it could be silicon based, I don't believe in petrification at all.

this is lava cracks
http://cdn.pcwallart.com...

That's a lava pool which is unlikely to be end up being hexagonal shaped.
So what is the difference between lava acting like this above ground and what would happen to it underground? Now pay special attention to the following two pictures: "How to hang fiber ceiling". So how can this be explained in the volcanic version? Did lava drip to the ground and did not reach it somehow?
http://secretenergy.com...
http://secretenergy.com...

Since I understand these types of formations to happen underground (the magma forces its way up between layers and there is no "dripping"), I think better questions might be: Have the columns eroded any since their formation? How could running water, such as a river (nearby), affect this formation?
come on, do you see a river? erosion does break the rock

Root structure is starting
http://media.gettyimages.com...

First, roots are not so uniform:
https://www.treebee.org.uk...
spot ten differences:

Not impressed. I told you from the beginning you would need more than pictures of stumps.
you showed me yours first

You pointing out a few mangled routes from current date trees is not relative to what might have happened a couple of thousand years ago

And modern stumps are relative to structures formed millions of years ago?? Sorry, you can't have it both ways.
my point is there are many kinds of trees, and likewise for stumps, you are stereotyping trees

Secondly, these roots are completely inadequate to support your tree. Redwoods/Sequoias typically reach about 90 meters and have roots extending out about 15 m (and intertwine with roots from other trees), so a tree 300 meters tall with a mile of circumference around the base would likely need something much much wider. That is not part of this formation so far as I can tell.
You haven't taken into account the pile of rubble around it

The debris pile is not part of the structure - at least not anymore.
right so it could have been an outer layer of the tree
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com...
how do you know the height? It looks proportional 2 a sequoia tree if you and count for what is falling off of Devils Tower around it.

I got that figure from the video and sites
twhere? nobody knows for sure

You have a lot of beliefs that can only be asserted to be true as evidenced by your lack of objective evidence. Additionally, your position denies what we actually know of the world (the efficacy of transpiration, the organic nature of trees, the age of the formations discussed, petrification, and basic geology) which overwhelmingly refute it. I see no reason to continue. Thanks for the distraction! ;-)
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