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DanneJeRusse
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10/6/2016 6:53:30 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/6/2016 6:48:46 PM, janesix wrote:
Do double-slit experiments prove that things only exist if they are observed?

Not really, they show that based on a reference frame, our universe can be observed to exhibit dual behaviors.
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10/6/2016 8:03:36 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/6/2016 6:53:30 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/6/2016 6:48:46 PM, janesix wrote:
Do double-slit experiments prove that things only exist if they are observed?

Not really, they show that based on a reference frame, our universe can be observed to exhibit dual behaviors.

Then why do electrons, photons, and even molecules like buckyballs show wave patterns when detectors aren't used, and show particle behavior when detectors are used?
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10/6/2016 8:39:18 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/6/2016 8:03:36 PM, janesix wrote:
At 10/6/2016 6:53:30 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/6/2016 6:48:46 PM, janesix wrote:
Do double-slit experiments prove that things only exist if they are observed?

Not really, they show that based on a reference frame, our universe can be observed to exhibit dual behaviors.

Then why do electrons, photons, and even molecules like buckyballs show wave patterns when detectors aren't used, and show particle behavior when detectors are used?

Uh, how can they "show" wave patterns if no detectors are used?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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10/6/2016 8:45:44 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/6/2016 8:39:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/6/2016 8:03:36 PM, janesix wrote:
At 10/6/2016 6:53:30 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/6/2016 6:48:46 PM, janesix wrote:
Do double-slit experiments prove that things only exist if they are observed?

Not really, they show that based on a reference frame, our universe can be observed to exhibit dual behaviors.

Then why do electrons, photons, and even molecules like buckyballs show wave patterns when detectors aren't used, and show particle behavior when detectors are used?

Uh, how can they "show" wave patterns if no detectors are used?

They show wave patterns on the screen behind the slits.

(By the way, I'm not trying to argue, I'm trying to understand.)
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10/6/2016 8:53:52 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 10/6/2016 8:45:44 PM, janesix wrote:
At 10/6/2016 8:39:18 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/6/2016 8:03:36 PM, janesix wrote:
At 10/6/2016 6:53:30 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 10/6/2016 6:48:46 PM, janesix wrote:
Do double-slit experiments prove that things only exist if they are observed?

Not really, they show that based on a reference frame, our universe can be observed to exhibit dual behaviors.

Then why do electrons, photons, and even molecules like buckyballs show wave patterns when detectors aren't used, and show particle behavior when detectors are used?

Uh, how can they "show" wave patterns if no detectors are used?

They show wave patterns on the screen behind the slits.

(By the way, I'm not trying to argue, I'm trying to understand.)

Okay, I see what you're saying now.

In the reference frame of the photon traveling, it will appear as a wave, but from the frame of the screen when it stops traveling, it appears as a particle.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth