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Stymie13
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10/9/2016 1:59:22 PM
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The Asian carp. Most of you have probably heard, or seen documentaries on just how destructive this fish has become.

Here is a glimmer of hope originating from what some may consider an unlikely place:

http://www.courier-journal.com...

http://www.nutritionvalue.org...

http://skipthepie.org...
Stymie13
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10/9/2016 5:10:47 PM
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At 10/9/2016 4:26:49 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
Japanese Knotweed too is now a serious concern in the UK:

http://www.mirror.co.uk...

We have a myriad of plants here too (kudzu being primary) but on the fish chefs learned how good they are to eat.

Just one of hundreds of videos

https://youtu.be...
R0b1Billion
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10/9/2016 8:00:33 PM
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"Invasive species" is a bit of a misnomer because the species didn't invade, they were displaced by people either on accident or on purpose by people Who think that the natural environment is something that can be managed as if it were a human construct like a business or a machine. Unfortunately, nobody is smart enough or savvy enough to manage the environment, it has to be left to natural mechanisms in order to flourish (for us).
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Stymie13
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10/10/2016 3:06:34 AM
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At 10/9/2016 8:00:33 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
"Invasive species" is a bit of a misnomer because the species didn't invade, they were displaced by people either on accident or on purpose by people Who think that the natural environment is something that can be managed as if it were a human construct like a business or a machine. Unfortunately, nobody is smart enough or savvy enough to manage the environment, it has to be left to natural mechanisms in order to flourish (for us).

Kinda nit picky on semantics but you're not wrong. :)
Welfare-Worker
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10/12/2016 1:39:54 PM
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At 10/9/2016 1:59:22 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
The Asian carp. Most of you have probably heard, or seen documentaries on just how destructive this fish has become.

Here is a glimmer of hope originating from what some may consider an unlikely place:

http://www.courier-journal.com...

http://www.nutritionvalue.org...

http://skipthepie.org...

Science, or should I say scientists, have been the cause of many invasive species overtaking an ecosystem.
In the NE United States the English sparrow was introduced as a pest control, to eat caterpillars. It displaced most all of the native songbirds and warblers.
It is credited as being the first invasive species of north America.
With Science, as with life, you have to take the bad with the good.

In more recent times, Crown Vetch was developed and spread as a ground cover along highways. Within a few decades of its introduction it became a menace to farmers and ranchers.
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10/12/2016 9:40:31 PM
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At 10/12/2016 1:39:54 PM, Welfare-Worker wrote:
At 10/9/2016 1:59:22 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
The Asian carp. Most of you have probably heard, or seen documentaries on just how destructive this fish has become.

Here is a glimmer of hope originating from what some may consider an unlikely place:

http://www.courier-journal.com...

http://www.nutritionvalue.org...

http://skipthepie.org...

Science, or should I say scientists, have been the cause of many invasive species overtaking an ecosystem.
In the NE United States the English sparrow was introduced as a pest control, to eat caterpillars. It displaced most all of the native songbirds and warblers.
It is credited as being the first invasive species of north America.
With Science, as with life, you have to take the bad with the good.

In more recent times, Crown Vetch was developed and spread as a ground cover along highways. Within a few decades of its introduction it became a menace to farmers and ranchers.

Echoing that theme, here in Australia we have the cane toad, a horrible pest which was introduced to control the cane beetle. This has proven to be a disaster with the cane toad rapidly colonizing the top end of the country at an incredible rate. They are poisonous and have decimated native species which try to eat them.

In terms of inadvertent invasion, Australia has a huge rabbit problem, foxes, feral cats, wild horses, camels, European carp and the list goes on and on with introduced species. The consequences for the native ecology have been devastating.
Peepette
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10/12/2016 9:52:39 PM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/9/2016 1:59:22 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
The Asian carp. Most of you have probably heard, or seen documentaries on just how destructive this fish has become.

Here is a glimmer of hope originating from what some may consider an unlikely place:

http://www.courier-journal.com...

http://www.nutritionvalue.org...

http://skipthepie.org...

Great idea if it can be sold. Carp is not a good tasting fish, otherwise people would be farming them for food production.
Stymie13
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10/12/2016 11:07:50 PM
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At 10/12/2016 9:52:39 PM, Peepette wrote:
At 10/9/2016 1:59:22 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
The Asian carp. Most of you have probably heard, or seen documentaries on just how destructive this fish has become.

Here is a glimmer of hope originating from what some may consider an unlikely place:

http://www.courier-journal.com...

http://www.nutritionvalue.org...

http://skipthepie.org...

Great idea if it can be sold. Carp is not a good tasting fish, otherwise people would be farming them for food production.

You are right: most carp are bottom mud feeders. They have a mud vein ... yuck.

The Asian carp is a surface feeder. It eats plankton. But, being carp, no one wants to try.

Monday night we went to urban spoon. I tried it. Oh my... I'll take it over sea bass any day. Bluefin plans on carrying it starting in November. I can't wait!

Bye bye mahi mahi. So long cod. I want eat roughy because we've over fished it. But this.. it's plentiful and we don't need to farm it. We need to over fish it first!
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10/13/2016 12:08:54 AM
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At 10/12/2016 11:07:50 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/12/2016 9:52:39 PM, Peepette wrote:
At 10/9/2016 1:59:22 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
The Asian carp. Most of you have probably heard, or seen documentaries on just how destructive this fish has become.

Here is a glimmer of hope originating from what some may consider an unlikely place:

http://www.courier-journal.com...

http://www.nutritionvalue.org...

http://skipthepie.org...

Great idea if it can be sold. Carp is not a good tasting fish, otherwise people would be farming them for food production.

You are right: most carp are bottom mud feeders. They have a mud vein ... yuck.

The Asian carp is a surface feeder. It eats plankton. But, being carp, no one wants to try.

Monday night we went to urban spoon. I tried it. Oh my... I'll take it over sea bass any day. Bluefin plans on carrying it starting in November. I can't wait!

Bye bye mahi mahi. So long cod. I want eat roughy because we've over fished it. But this.. it's plentiful and we don't need to farm it. We need to over fish it first!

If it comes around in restaurants or is available in a store in my area I will give it a try. (I'll give almost anything a taste test) As for coming close to sea bass; that's hard one to beat. Can't believe how high the cost of cod has risen. It used to be a staple in our home. I actually have gone on commercial Cod fishing trips, they're not hard to catch. Maybe that's attributed to their over fishing.
Stymie13
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10/13/2016 12:24:26 AM
Posted: 1 month ago
At 10/13/2016 12:08:54 AM, Peepette wrote:
At 10/12/2016 11:07:50 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 10/12/2016 9:52:39 PM, Peepette wrote:
At 10/9/2016 1:59:22 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
The Asian carp. Most of you have probably heard, or seen documentaries on just how destructive this fish has become.

Here is a glimmer of hope originating from what some may consider an unlikely place:

http://www.courier-journal.com...

http://www.nutritionvalue.org...

http://skipthepie.org...

Great idea if it can be sold. Carp is not a good tasting fish, otherwise people would be farming them for food production.

You are right: most carp are bottom mud feeders. They have a mud vein ... yuck.

The Asian carp is a surface feeder. It eats plankton. But, being carp, no one wants to try.

Monday night we went to urban spoon. I tried it. Oh my... I'll take it over sea bass any day. Bluefin plans on carrying it starting in November. I can't wait!

Bye bye mahi mahi. So long cod. I want eat roughy because we've over fished it. But this.. it's plentiful and we don't need to farm it. We need to over fish it first!

If it comes around in restaurants or is available in a store in my area I will give it a try. (I'll give almost anything a taste test) As for coming close to sea bass; that's hard one to beat. Can't believe how high the cost of cod has risen. It used to be a staple in our home. I actually have gone on commercial Cod fishing trips, they're not hard to catch. Maybe that's attributed to their over fishing.

Take a look at the YouTube from the first post. The only restrictions for hunting carp are poison, electrocution, dynamite.