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should we clone ded children?

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3/10/2011 3:05:56 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
How often have we witnessed, helplessly, the heart-wrenching situation where someone's small child has died, sometimes not even through tragic circumstances. But, sadly, sometimes kids just simply happen to die, for an array of reasons. The parents are usually devastated - left utterly bereft of joy or hope. Their little light has simply been extinguished from their lives. How often will we wring our hands along with them and grieve with them as they take their ‘last resort'? That urgent prayer to God to somehow -‘give them just one more chance' – just give them back that one precious thing – their beloved child again - that singular being worth living for.

We watch their every prayer being offered up, and they, in turn, watch it simply drift away into some vacuum, or ‘ether'? Yet, if there be no God to grant them their miracle - why should Science not offer a miraculous hand? Why should science not grant them, that which God hath denied them?

Certainly, those specialist scientists in such a project would immediately be accused of ‘playing God'. That is quite predictable. Predictable also, from the experimental cloning of the first adult sheep, the important research doors that were opened - along with the whole new breed of moral dilemmas. Predictably, too, were those with a religious bent who began raising strong moral objections about the cloning of mature humans. Even politicians and ethicists began raising fears of the spectre of laboratory created humans – the casting of dark shadows over "the existence of the ‘human soul'."

There are other surprises. Already, a United States gay organisation "Clone Rights United Front" [CRUF] has marched in support of cloning, but for different reasons. They stated that, although they wished to have children, the old fashioned method of reproduction was not much to their liking. Lesbian feminists, too, find exciting the prospect of women assuming some direct control over reproduction.

Yet, it's obvious that the most likely source for the first serious demands on such a service, [the cloning of postembryonic humans] will probably come from distraught parents, perhaps having lost a child through some tragic misadventure. The cloning[reproduction] of that child would be a far easier proposition in many ways than the cloning of some aged billionaire. One would simply save a few cells from the deceased infant and its twin could them be replicated relatively easily – such a technology is not very far away. It's hard to say just how close it really is, because the public is traditionally the last to know the devil of the detail.

Nonetheless, from the perspective of the deceased child, there is no argument that it is most certainly and absolutely dead and gone. But from the point of view of the grieving parents and relatives, their child would be literally ‘raised again from the dead'. They would be granted a ‘second chance' – a ‘back-door' into time, somewhat like in the movie "Groundhog Day".

In other words, they would be offered a ‘fresh start'. They could give birth to their much beloved child all over again – they could even raise it ‘all over again', only this time, knowing all of its potential, perhaps not making quite so many mistakes with this precious ‘second chance'? What once seemed like science fiction, is now beheld as simply a matter of time, funding, politics and morality. All that is left, is the honest answer to a simple question. Your child is gone, but you have the ‘Genie's bottle' in your hands. What should you do?
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3/10/2011 3:15:51 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Lets see where the science leads. I'm more interested having some Bioshock style alterations. (Shooting flames out of your hands anyone?)

However, I don't see a problem with cloning a dead child.
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3/10/2011 3:43:48 AM
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Another question is: could it be possible, since the cells are of the same being, that the memories of the first child will transfer to the clone? o.o

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3/10/2011 3:58:46 AM
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At 3/10/2011 3:43:48 AM, jmar8542 wrote:
Another question is: could it be possible, since the cells are of the same being, that the memories of the first child will transfer to the clone? o.o

-twilight zone music-

Again, lets see where science takes us. I imagine it will eventually be possible to upload your memories onto a computer (5 internets for the person who can remind me of the movie about saving memories to disk... I remember the cover, but I can't think of the title... Hard something?)
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3/10/2011 4:05:00 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/10/2011 3:58:46 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 3/10/2011 3:43:48 AM, jmar8542 wrote:
Another question is: could it be possible, since the cells are of the same being, that the memories of the first child will transfer to the clone? o.o

-twilight zone music-

Again, lets see where science takes us. I imagine it will eventually be possible to upload your memories onto a computer (5 internets for the person who can remind me of the movie about saving memories to disk... I remember the cover, but I can't think of the title... Hard something?)

Tron?
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3/10/2011 4:13:23 AM
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Not Tron, it's about memories and experiences being uploaded and then other people can use them. I think there is a murder mystery in there, I'm not sure.
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3/10/2011 4:20:14 AM
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At 3/10/2011 4:13:23 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Not Tron, it's about memories and experiences being uploaded and then other people can use them. I think there is a murder mystery in there, I'm not sure.

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3/10/2011 8:26:02 AM
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3/10/2011 8:30:23 AM
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3/10/2011 10:05:40 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 3/10/2011 3:43:48 AM, jmar8542 wrote:
Another question is: could it be possible, since the cells are of the same being, that the memories of the first child will transfer to the clone? o.o

-twilight zone music-

No, it won't. And cloning takes time. It's not like you put a hair follicle in a machine and out pops a six year old kid. Clones have to go through the same stages of embryonic development everyone else does.

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3/10/2011 10:54:52 AM
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At 3/10/2011 3:15:51 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Lets see where the science leads. I'm more interested having some Bioshock style alterations. (Shooting flames out of your hands anyone?)

However, I don't see a problem with cloning a dead child.:

It's an understandable emotion to want to, but it's not a practical solution. Death is a part of the circle of life. If everyone cloned a dead relative, the world would be massively overpopulated.
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