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Greyparrot
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4/12/2011 11:50:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
OK so I am curious:
Where would you rate yourself on this scale?
(you can choose in between that's fine)

1: Slave to Nature: You make no impact at all on the environment, not even to build a house.

2: One with Nature: You fashion the bare necessities and that is it. You generally do not interfere with the Environment except what comes naturally.

3: Steward of Nature: You try to interpret the will of Nature and actively change the Environment to save different species from going extinct.

4: Master of Nature: You actively change your environment according to your will. If there is a choice between you and an animal, you win.

lets see it!
belle
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4/13/2011 12:14:48 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
what about... like... "forward looking master of nature"- its not just about modifying nature for maximal returns in the short run, but also realizing that to truly maximize the benefit you get from nature you have to sacrifice some short term returns ie make your use of nature "sustainable".

i honestly don't understand the view that nature is something that intrinsically needs to be preserved. whats the point?
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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4/13/2011 12:30:35 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Nature exists for me,
such is the word of God,

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:26

Anthropocentralism ftw!
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4/13/2011 12:31:29 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/12/2011 11:50:19 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
OK so I am curious:
Where would you rate yourself on this scale?
(you can choose in between that's fine)

1: Slave to Nature: You make no impact at all on the environment, not even to build a house.

2: One with Nature: You fashion the bare necessities and that is it. You generally do not interfere with the Environment except what comes naturally.

3: Steward of Nature: You try to interpret the will of Nature and actively change the Environment to save different species from going extinct.

4: Master of Nature: You actively change your environment according to your will. If there is a choice between you and an animal, you win.

lets see it!

I am 1, 2, and 4... and, well.. I'm embarassed about it... but sometimes just a touch of 3 too.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
belle
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4/13/2011 12:37:43 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/13/2011 12:31:29 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 4/12/2011 11:50:19 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
OK so I am curious:
Where would you rate yourself on this scale?
(you can choose in between that's fine)

1: Slave to Nature: You make no impact at all on the environment, not even to build a house.

2: One with Nature: You fashion the bare necessities and that is it. You generally do not interfere with the Environment except what comes naturally.

3: Steward of Nature: You try to interpret the will of Nature and actively change the Environment to save different species from going extinct.

4: Master of Nature: You actively change your environment according to your will. If there is a choice between you and an animal, you win.

lets see it!

I am 1, 2, and 4... and, well.. I'm embarassed about it... but sometimes just a touch of 3 too.

hint: they all preclude one another. lol
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
Greyparrot
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4/13/2011 12:54:40 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/13/2011 12:14:48 AM, belle wrote:
what about... like... "forward looking master of nature"- its not just about modifying nature for maximal returns in the short run, but also realizing that to truly maximize the benefit you get from nature you have to sacrifice some short term returns ie make your use of nature "sustainable".

i honestly don't understand the view that nature is something that intrinsically needs to be preserved. whats the point?

I guess you are a 3.5? In between 3 and 4?
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4/13/2011 11:30:35 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/13/2011 12:30:35 AM, Zetsubou wrote:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:26

And God said, Lo! Now the French can maketh them all into soup.
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4/13/2011 12:35:51 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/13/2011 11:30:35 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 4/13/2011 12:30:35 AM, Zetsubou wrote:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:26

And God said, Lo! Now the French can maketh them all into soup.

And Cloister Spake, "Lo, I shall lead you to Fyushal, and there we shall open a temple of food, wherein shall be sausages and doughnuts and all manner of bountiful things...Yea, even individual sachets of mustard. And those who serve shall have hats of great majesty, yea, though they be made of coloured cardboard and have humorous arrows through the top."
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4/13/2011 3:59:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
i figure that i'm nature and everything i do is nature, including building houses, littering, taking drugs, and well.. everything i do..

so where would i fall in?
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Greyparrot
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4/13/2011 5:15:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/13/2011 3:59:07 PM, badger wrote:
i figure that i'm nature and everything i do is nature, including building houses, littering, taking drugs, and well.. everything i do..

so where would i fall in?

You're a 4.5 Badger. lol
mattrodstrom
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4/15/2011 12:20:19 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/13/2011 12:37:43 AM, belle wrote:
At 4/13/2011 12:31:29 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
I am 1, 2, and 4... and, well.. I'm embarassed about it... but sometimes just a touch of 3 too.

hint: they all preclude one another. lol

I completely disagree.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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4/15/2011 12:26:21 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/12/2011 11:50:19 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
OK so I am curious:
Where would you rate yourself on this scale?
(you can choose in between that's fine)

1: Slave to Nature: You make no impact at all on the environment, not even to build a house.

0 impact

2: One with Nature: You fashion the bare necessities and that is it. You generally do not interfere with the Environment except what comes naturally.

some small impact

3: Steward of Nature: You try to interpret the will of Nature and actively change the Environment to save different species from going extinct.

larger impact, while still trying to consciously uphold what you see as the aims of nature

4: Master of Nature: You actively change your environment according to your will. If there is a choice between you and an animal, you win.

larger impact while not giving a sh*t about the aims of nature.

the only way those could be compatible is if you took different attitudes at different times, and even that i would probably just push to the highest limit since technically that defines how far you will go. like... i am not a vegetarian even though i only rarely eat meat.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
mattrodstrom
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4/15/2011 2:22:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/12/2011 11:50:19 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
OK so I am curious:
Where would you rate yourself on this scale?
(you can choose in between that's fine)

1: Slave to Nature: You make no impact at all on the environment, not even to build a house.

I am part of the environment.. and make no impact upon it, but from being what I am... The environment does what it does, Myself included.

2: One with Nature: You fashion the bare necessities and that is it. You generally do not interfere with the Environment except what comes naturally.

I do not interfere with nature.. I do what comes naturally.

3: Steward of Nature: You try to interpret the will of Nature and actively change the Environment to save different species from going extinct.

I only Partially qualify for this one b/c I don't interpret the "Will of Nature".. though I might plausibly try to save different species.

4: Master of Nature: You actively change your environment according to your will. If there is a choice between you and an animal, you win.

Yeah, I do what I want.

lets see it!
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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4/15/2011 2:25:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 2:22:23 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
1: Slave to Nature: You make no impact at all on the environment, not even to build a house.

The house, it's construction.. Etc, Etc, are all Natural.. and occur due to the nature of things.

If/When I build a house... I certainly won't, in any way, be changing/corrupting/harming nature, Rather it's all Due to nature and Necessarily accords with it.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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4/15/2011 2:30:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/13/2011 3:59:07 PM, badger wrote:
i figure that i'm nature and everything i do is nature, including building houses, littering, taking drugs, and well.. everything i do..

so where would i fall in?

probably a 1, 2, and 4..

I doubt you're much of a 3
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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4/15/2011 2:35:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 2:25:53 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 4/15/2011 2:22:23 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:

If/When I build a house... I certainly won't, in any way, be changing/corrupting/harming nature, Rather it's all Due to nature and Necessarily accords with it.

New construction of a house:
1) changes your environment
2) impacts the homes of other animals and plants
3) produces waste materials that must be disposed of
4) can impact the food or water supply of other animals depending on where you build it (if you build it at a watering hole, animals may not be willing to use it anymore)

there's probably more reasons, but you get the idea.
you do not live in a vacuum, your actions to change the environment have effects on the balance of Nature.
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4/15/2011 2:45:49 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 2:35:56 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 4/15/2011 2:25:53 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 4/15/2011 2:22:23 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:

If/When I build a house... I certainly won't, in any way, be changing/corrupting/harming nature, Rather it's all Due to nature and Necessarily accords with it.

New construction of a house:
1) changes your environment
2) impacts the homes of other animals and plants
3) produces waste materials that must be disposed of
4) can impact the food or water supply of other animals depending on where you build it (if you build it at a watering hole, animals may not be willing to use it anymore)

there's probably more reasons, but you get the idea.
you do not live in a vacuum, your actions to change the environment have effects on the balance of Nature.

my actions are all completely in accord with nature as are the effects.. No matter what effects we're talking about ;)
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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4/15/2011 2:49:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 2:35:56 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 4/15/2011 2:25:53 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 4/15/2011 2:22:23 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:

If/When I build a house... I certainly won't, in any way, be changing/corrupting/harming nature, Rather it's all Due to nature and Necessarily accords with it.

New construction of a house:
1) changes your environment

it's a change that's completely in accord with the nature of the environment..

The change is due to the environment/nature of things at hand.. of which I'm included.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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4/15/2011 6:40:51 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
You say you do not interfere with nature, then you say you do what you want to do and have no regard for other life around you.

Contradiction?
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4/15/2011 6:43:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
since you cant understand at all what your impact is on the environment let me break it down for you.

1. Is a caveman.
2. Is a North American plains Indian.
3. Are wildlife conservation groups.
4. Are most of us.
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4/16/2011 12:51:37 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/15/2011 6:40:51 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
you say you do what you have no regard for other life around you.

I never said that..

I said if it's Me vs. an animal..
like My cares or an animal's well being..

then I go with what I care for.

this is in no way Not in accord with nature.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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4/16/2011 1:46:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/16/2011 12:51:37 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 4/15/2011 6:40:51 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
you say you do what you have no regard for other life around you.

I never said that..

I said if it's Me vs. an animal..
like My cares or an animal's well being..

then I go with what I care for.

this is in no way Not in accord with nature.

The animal loses.

You're a 4, accept it.
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4/16/2011 11:58:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 4/16/2011 1:46:14 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 4/16/2011 12:51:37 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 4/15/2011 6:40:51 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
you say you do what you have no regard for other life around you.

I never said that..

I said if it's Me vs. an animal..
like My cares or an animal's well being..

then I go with what I care for.

this is in no way Not in accord with nature.

The animal loses.

You're a 4, accept it.

I said I was a 4 from the beginning.

I'm also a 1, and a 2.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."