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Is there an element of morality in abortion ?

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6/30/2011 3:04:36 PM
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If anyone here can give me a logical or rational reason why, then I will leave
this forum for life ! But I doubt this can be done conclusively.
You MUST tell me where the good is in having an abortion other than in
life or death situations. Tell me now.
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6/30/2011 3:05:45 PM
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At 6/30/2011 3:04:36 PM, interrogator wrote:
If anyone here can give me a logical or rational reason why, then I will leave
this forum for life ! But I doubt this can be done conclusively.
You MUST tell me where the good is in having an abortion other than in
life or death situations. Tell me now.

How are the two related--you leaving this forum for life and the rationality of abortion. The element of morality is, to be concise, found in the life that is being sacrificed or cut short in the process of abortion.
"Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto." --Terence

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6/30/2011 3:06:38 PM
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At 6/30/2011 3:04:36 PM, interrogator wrote:
If anyone here can give me a logical or rational reason why, then I will leave
this forum for life ! But I doubt this can be done conclusively.
You MUST tell me where the good is in having an abortion other than in
life or death situations. Tell me now.

If you believe that God sends people to Hell for disbelief AND you believe that God doesn't send babies to hell, then if you love your potential child you will abort it so as to guarantee that it will go to heaven. This would avoid a potential future where your child walks away from faith and condemns itself to Hell.
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6/30/2011 3:09:52 PM
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At 6/30/2011 3:04:36 PM, interrogator wrote:
If anyone here can give me a logical or rational reason why, then I will leave
this forum for life ! But I doubt this can be done conclusively.
You MUST tell me where the good is in having an abortion other than in
life or death situations. Tell me now.

Wanna debate abortion? I need to do three debates to start voting.
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6/30/2011 3:11:05 PM
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Man Is Good. That was not even close. You cannot imply in any way shape,
or form, that taking a life at your own will is justified when the victim itself
is without fault. <-------------
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6/30/2011 3:13:25 PM
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At 6/30/2011 3:09:42 PM, interrogator wrote:
Meatros. I am getting some feedback from one of my messengers. Hold on.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME !!!

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6/30/2011 3:16:14 PM
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At 6/30/2011 3:11:50 PM, interrogator wrote:
Tim Spin. Nice try. But no thanks.
Just answer the question.

I just want to debate abortion with someone. What exactly am I trying?
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6/30/2011 3:17:55 PM
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Tim Spin. I cannot win a debate on this forum due to my reputation.
I am not loved her in that manner. But my impression and impact on others is priceless. And I do not care to debate this issue with you because there is
nothing to debate about. That is irrelvent.
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6/30/2011 3:19:11 PM
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There is no relevency in evil.
You dont bargain with the devil.
There is no logic behind doing something that is wrong, when you
know that it is right. You cannot take a negative and make it a positive.
It is impossible.
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6/30/2011 3:22:54 PM
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I just want to debate abortion with someone. What exactly am I trying?

I will debate with you just as long as your PRO abortion
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6/30/2011 3:27:46 PM
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At 6/30/2011 3:22:54 PM, THE_OPINIONATOR wrote:
I just want to debate abortion with someone. What exactly am I trying?

I will debate with you just as long as your PRO abortion

See my debate in the challenge period.
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6/30/2011 3:52:10 PM
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At 6/30/2011 3:38:26 PM, interrogator wrote:
Tim Spin. You still did not answer my question.
Where is the element of morality in abortion.

Well I'm personally a moral nihilist so I would say there is none as there is none in anything we do. Though I have different cases written out defending and opposing it from different ethical viewpoints(utilitaranism, non-aggression). It depends on your ethical viewpoint I guess.
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6/30/2011 3:56:21 PM
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At 6/30/2011 3:53:57 PM, interrogator wrote:
Tim Spin. I understand your points of views. Interesting indeed.

Well if you give me an ethical viewpoint I can try to defend abortion.
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6/30/2011 4:00:06 PM
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At 6/30/2011 3:16:14 PM, Tim_Spin wrote:
At 6/30/2011 3:11:50 PM, interrogator wrote:
Tim Spin. Nice try. But no thanks.
Just answer the question.

I just want to debate abortion with someone. What exactly am I trying?

Fear not! I have accepted your abortion debate.
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6/30/2011 4:01:09 PM
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At 6/30/2011 3:59:52 PM, interrogator wrote:
Ethical viewpoint. Life, in its normal state, is protected by law.
Do you really need anything more logical than that. <-----------

What law? Positive, divine, natural........
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6/30/2011 4:02:13 PM
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The ethic behind this is ones belief in a system that does one good, and not harm.
You can try to rationalize death without conviction all you like.
It does not make sense and it is very illogical. There is no logic in destroying
something of value, that CANNOT be replaced.
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6/30/2011 4:05:05 PM
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Tim Spin. The law that says that I cannot pull out a gun and shoot you. (eyes rolling in head) Anyway. It is all of the above.
It is natural, divine, secular, etc.
All of these elements support my theory.
Life cannot be replaced, so it must be carefully guarded.
Our emotions come in to play when someone dies. That too is an element not to be discarded.
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6/30/2011 4:06:44 PM
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Save money. Use it for a good cause. ???? profit.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
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6/30/2011 4:11:15 PM
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At 6/30/2011 4:05:05 PM, interrogator wrote:
Tim Spin. The law that says that I cannot pull out a gun and shoot you. (eyes rolling in head) Anyway. It is all of the above.
It is natural, divine, secular, etc.
All of these elements support my theory.
Life cannot be replaced, so it must be carefully guarded.
Our emotions come in to play when someone dies. That too is an element not to be discarded.

The law saying that is not divine or natural. It is a positive and artificial law constructed by others. Law=/=morality
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6/30/2011 4:14:13 PM
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I'm a rational animal. We don't have owners and don't sell ourselves.

By contrast, fetuses are not rational animals.

As for the price of a rat... at a pet store 5 to 10 bucks i think?
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6/30/2011 4:16:45 PM
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Tim Spin. It is not artificial by definition. If anything the term you use is informal.
Laws are divine because it involves morale. Man by nature is immoral.
God says that we are sinners at birth. So God gives us instructions of morality
to follow. The universe revolves around Him. These secular laws of man, also
are influenced in some way by the Word, too. As long as they coincide with
what God requires us to do, it is all relevent.
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6/30/2011 4:19:07 PM
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At 6/30/2011 4:14:13 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
I'm a rational animal. We don't have owners and don't sell ourselves.

By contrast, fetuses are not rational animals.

As for the price of a rat... at a pet store 5 to 10 bucks i think?

Ragnar. If that is the case............Then I assume it is ok for me to sleep with your
wife. Where is she. =)