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Is Libertarianism a Form of Asperger's?

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7/16/2011 9:43:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Have you ever found yourself exasperatingly embroiled in a political argument with a "libertarian" and felt like you were trying to reason a political Asperger's aflictee out of his "intense focus" on an idea that had captured his one-track interest? Well, perhaps your mind's slightly sarcastic interpretation of your exasperating interaction was actually cluing you into an authentic insight about libertarians and the psychology underlying their ideology. There's even a scientific study that suggests that this may be the case.

Okay, despite my reference to a scientific study, I'm not speaking entirely clinically here (which I'm sure will bug any fact-collecting libertarian Aspie reading this). However, the profile of the libertarian mind-set does in fact match up quite strikingly with that of people with the syndrome in question. Let's take a look.

To begin with, there's the almost autistic individualism that libertarian philosophy frames in its own lofty political terms. That is, libertarian thought verges on advocating a form of society very much along the lines of the "one-sided" and "self-centered" social nature of Aspies. Yes, as anyone familiar with the condition would observe here, those with Asperger's aren't individualistic in a technically autistic sense, i.e. they're not asocially withdrawn. But they do have a style of social interaction that's very much on the autistic spectrum, and that tends to define them as "individualistic in outlook" and given to a "lack of interest in socialization". It's this kind of autistic individuality that libertarianism can easily be seen as ideologically enshrining, in the form of its tenet of "self-ownership", and its glorification of every-man-for-himself free-marketarian economics and its cornerstone principle of self-interest.

Self-ownership, self-interest, self-this and self-that indeed. Note the frequency of occurrence of the word self in the conversation and philosophy of libertarians. They do rather appear to think in terms centered on atomized selves. I really don't think that it would be an unfair exaggeration at all to say that they in fact seem to have taken a centered-on-radically-individualistic-selves, a thoroughly self-centered orientation, and parlayed it into a political orthodoxy that rationalizes and validates it for them.

And, moreover, contrary to their professed belief in freedom, libertarians yearn to impose this self-centered orientation & orthodoxy on the rest of us, by promoting capitalism in its most antisocially individualistic, Darwinianly competitive form. Quite like political Aspies, libertarians first superimpose their own social way of being in the world on their thinking about society, and the next move of course is to go from superimposing to imposing. The sociopolitical thinking that feels so right to the liberpergerarian, to coin an awkward term, feels like it would be right and best for society as a whole. Naturally enough then, the liberpergerarian becomes a proponent, often a utopian and zealous one, of ideologically purifying our current mixed form of capitalism and visiting a more inhumanely selfist system upon his neighbor.

Now then, the possible painful human consequences of creating a socioeconomic order based to such an extreme extent on individualism perhaps doesn't adequately register with libertarians because of another hallmark Asperger's trait. I'm referring to the Aspie's distinctive deficit in the empathy department. An empathy deficit, does this sound at all like something that's characteristic of libertarianism and its adherents? That was a rhetorical question, by the way.

Libertarian philosophy of course often places no emphasis or value on the qualities of empathy and social compassion at all. In its most extreme version it even explicitly denounces such touchy-feely ethical qualities. Predictably, it thoroughly intellectualizes this with some of its key social concepts and its free-marketarian economics. But this is all really quite a lot of ideological self-justification of unfeeling self-centeredness. Libertarians can try as they may, but the leave-everyone-to-his-own-devices-and-to-the-winners-go-all-and-the-losers-can-die-and-decrease-the-surplus-population ethos of the their not so dear movement certainly bespeaks a lack of empathy. A veritably clinical lack of empathy, one that is yet another nail in the diagnosis of libertarianism as politicized Asperger's.

Next on the list of shared symptoms, the linear logicality & rigid rationalism of both Aspies and libertarians. Ever noticed how libertarians tend to be intellectually rather like latter-day scholastic philosophers, intensely, logic-choppingly, and doctrinairely rationalizing their politico-economic articles of faith the way medieval thinkers used to take their theological rationalizations to the extreme of deductively proving how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? And have you ever noticed how downright obsessive libertarians can be about the concepts of their creed, and about defending their intellectual validity? A penchant to be tenaciously logical and intellectually obsessive, doesn't this sound at least a tad Asperger's-like?!

(And, while I'm on intellectual traits, don't forget about the "exceptional" memories of both Aspies and libertarians. A libertarian will fixate in quite Aspie-like fashion on the fine points under the bridge of an argument he's engaged in to a point that would put an elephant's memory to shame.)

Of course when one doesn't respect and play along with the stickling & quibbling logic of libertarians, well, that's when two more of their AS foibles come to the fore, their irritability and their intolerance of what they deem to be imperfection. It's certainly been my own experience that logicizing libertarians have precious little patience with anyone who is committed to an opposing sociopolitical point of view, and who's the least bit critical of their stock arguments.

Mm-hmm, the ideological ire of staunch liberpergerarians is certainly raised pretty readily when someone challenges the rationalistic bona fides of their beliefs. But what they have even less tolerance for is anything that falls short of their beau ideal of pristine and untainted-by-any-hint-of-interventionism capitalism. Their priggish perfectionism is full-on when it comes to upholding the integrity and inviolateness of their overesteemed "free market". And anyone who doesn't recognize and fall prostrate before the elegance of "free-market" theory is deemed to be a dolt worthy of unrestrained derision.

The liberpergerarian's lack of empathy, combined with this cocksureness about the superiority of his own ideological reasoning, equals a cold-bloodedly doctrinarian bent of mind that's chillingly capable of abolishing a social safety net that millions of people in need depend on, and allowing the human chips to fall wherever they may in the ferally dog-eat-dog system of pure capitalism that his philosophy touts. Which is to say that liberpergerarians have the very real potential to become the sort of lethally perfectionistic true believers that the Bolsheviks or the Khmer Rouge were. The implementation of their remorselessly quixotic politico-economic theories could indeed have genocidal-scale fallout for the poor, but their Asperger's prevents them from compassionately and morally appreciating this.

The conclusion is located directly below
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7/16/2011 9:44:00 PM
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Conclusion

Alas, right-libertarians live on an Aspergerian flatland where all of life, of what it means to be human, and of social morality is relentlessly and ruthlessly reduced down to the mathematical logic of economics and the callus calculus of self-interested individualism. In short, it's very much a mental place of the sort of "hyper-masculine" cognitivity characteristic of Aspies. A hyper-masculine cognitivity that values and admires successful individualists, i.e. socioeconomically ascendant alpha capitalists, and that dreams of establishing a society in which the "liberty" that everyone enjoys is the licentious liberty to self-centeredly pursue personal dominance.

That is, libertarians are quite simply individuals with the personality & psychology of Aspergerian alpha males (and yes, libertarians with two X chromosomes are included, one needn't be an actual male to have the attitudes of an Aspergerian alpha male). They're genetically disordered men and women who've found a way of making ideological lemonade out of the neurological lemons they were born with, of aggrandizing their personal mental style and its idiosyncratic deficits into a noble-sounding political creed and crusade that purports to be consecrated to the cause of creating a truly free society. The noble-sounding creed is of course sincere enough, at the conscious level. But then again, it's mostly rationalizing and compensatory stuff & nonsense vis-à-vis the real psychology unconsciously informing it. At the end of the day's analysis, "libertarianism" isn't a legitimate philosophy at all, it's merely a philosophical façade for a syndrome.
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7/16/2011 9:50:58 PM
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I actually don't find "Libertarians" to be too extreme individually. In-fact, I see the furthest extreme of individualism to be quite contrary to what most "Libertarians" propose and to be quite a social older.

"Libertarians" are victim to the same selective-individualism they claim liberals suffer from.
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7/16/2011 10:11:09 PM
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In other words, Asperger's is a diagnosis the <strikethrough>Soviets</strikethrough> sheeple invented to slander anyone who doesn't follow the shepherd around enough.

One man's modus ponens is another man's modus tollens.

Of course, I didn't actually read your post, so you could be full of crap, this is assuming you actually found legitimate connections.
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7/16/2011 10:13:34 PM
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At 7/16/2011 10:11:09 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
In other words, Asperger's is a diagnosis the <strikethrough>Soviets</strikethrough> sheeple invented to slander anyone who doesn't follow the shepherd around enough.

One man's modus ponens is another man's modus tollens.

Of course, I didn't actually read your post, so you could be full of crap, this is assuming you actually found legitimate connections.

Everyone who doesn't read them should just stop replying. Your comments are useless.
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7/16/2011 10:14:30 PM
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At 7/16/2011 10:13:34 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/16/2011 10:11:09 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
In other words, Asperger's is a diagnosis the <strikethrough>Soviets</strikethrough> sheeple invented to slander anyone who doesn't follow the shepherd around enough.

One man's modus ponens is another man's modus tollens.

Of course, I didn't actually read your post, so you could be full of crap, this is assuming you actually found legitimate connections.

Everyone who doesn't read them should just stop replying. Your comments are useless.

>implying Charles' posts are useful.
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7/16/2011 10:23:46 PM
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1. Many people start out as liberals or conservatives, but over time become libertarians. How does that fit in to your analysis?

2. Many libertarians donate considerable portions of their income to charity, and still participate in fundraisers and such things. How does that fit into your analysis?

3. What percentage of libertarians do you think are libertarians because of a psychological self-centeredness?

Finally, a few comments:

One cannot force capitalism upon someone else; in fact, it's just about the only economic system that cannot be forced upon someone else, as communism forces all to contribute to a commune, and socialism forces all businesses to subject themselves to government control.

Additionally, you say that libertarians are impatient, but I can assure you that an impatient person would not have the attention span necessary to read your posts.
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7/16/2011 10:28:09 PM
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At 7/16/2011 10:23:46 PM, mongeese wrote:
One cannot force capitalism upon someone else; in fact, it's just about the only economic system that cannot be forced upon someone else, as communism forces all to contribute to a commune, and socialism forces all businesses to subject themselves to government control.

How can one spend so much time on DDO and still say something like this?
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7/16/2011 10:30:48 PM
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At 7/16/2011 10:28:09 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/16/2011 10:23:46 PM, mongeese wrote:
One cannot force capitalism upon someone else; in fact, it's just about the only economic system that cannot be forced upon someone else, as communism forces all to contribute to a commune, and socialism forces all businesses to subject themselves to government control.

How can one spend so much time on DDO and still say something like this?

Argument from intimidation.
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7/16/2011 10:35:10 PM
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At 7/16/2011 10:30:48 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/16/2011 10:28:09 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/16/2011 10:23:46 PM, mongeese wrote:
One cannot force capitalism upon someone else; in fact, it's just about the only economic system that cannot be forced upon someone else, as communism forces all to contribute to a commune, and socialism forces all businesses to subject themselves to government control.

How can one spend so much time on DDO and still say something like this?

Argument from intimidation.

Red herring. I wasn't making an argument.
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7/16/2011 10:38:25 PM
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At 7/16/2011 10:28:09 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/16/2011 10:23:46 PM, mongeese wrote:
One cannot force capitalism upon someone else; in fact, it's just about the only economic system that cannot be forced upon someone else, as communism forces all to contribute to a commune, and socialism forces all businesses to subject themselves to government control.

How can one spend so much time on DDO and still say something like this?

By existing?
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7/16/2011 10:41:17 PM
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At 7/16/2011 10:38:25 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 7/16/2011 10:28:09 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/16/2011 10:23:46 PM, mongeese wrote:
One cannot force capitalism upon someone else; in fact, it's just about the only economic system that cannot be forced upon someone else, as communism forces all to contribute to a commune, and socialism forces all businesses to subject themselves to government control.

How can one spend so much time on DDO and still say something like this?

By existing?

It's always best to reply to a redundant question with another one, isn't it? :D
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7/17/2011 2:31:35 AM
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dont make fun of asspies. Its a serious condition, just like every other combination of chemicals in the brain.

Dont get me started on retards...
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7/17/2011 2:51:53 AM
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At 7/17/2011 2:31:35 AM, Rockylightning wrote:
dont make fun of asspies. Its a serious condition, just like every other combination of chemicals in the brain.

Dont get me started on retards...

I always read that as asss-pies.
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7/17/2011 2:57:48 AM
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Zuckuss was a successful Gand bounty hunter who was active during the height of the New Order. Referred to as "The Uncanny One" by his fellow hunters, Zuckuss was renowned for his ability to discover hidden quarry. His tracking skills derived both from his training as a findsman and from his innate Force-sensitivity, which allowed him to sense individuals at range and decipher the motives of his prey. Due to his famed abilities, Zuckuss was highly sought after, and he found employment with the Bounty Hunters' Guild, the Hutt Cartel, TaggeCo, and even the Rebellion for a time.

During his long career, Zuckuss worked with many associates but was known primarily to partner with the droid 4-LOM. The two made a formidable bounty hunting team and were successful in retrieving the Yavin Vassilika, over such opponents as Bossk and Dengar. Though the partnership was forged under the insistence of Jabba the Hutt, Zuckuss and 4-LOM eventually bonded, with 4-LOM staying loyal to Zuckuss after the Gand was critically injured during the Galactic Civil War. In order to pay medical expenses, Zuckuss and 4-LOM took a job from the Rebel Alliance to pursue Governor Nardix, which eventually attracted the attention and incurred the wrath of the Empire. However, the pair's involvement in that affair was overlooked when they were hired by Darth Vader to find the Millennium Falcon after the Battle of Hoth. Zuckuss and 4-LOM planned to infiltrate the Alliance under the guise of rescuers, bringing with them the surviving passengers of a downed Rebel transport to the rendezvous point, hoping to kidnap Han Solo then. However, the rival bounty hunter, Boba Fett managed to capture Solo prior on Cloud City.

Shortly afterward, Zuckuss decided to join the Alliance, partly in gratitude for the necessary treatment he had received on board the medical frigate. He and 4-LOM worked as covert operatives for a time, and they attempted to rescue the carbonite-encased Solo from Fett before the hunter could deliver him to Jabba on Tatooine. The pair had failed in their mission and the outcome resulted in the destruction of 4-LOM. Zuckuss had attempted to repair his comrade, but he needed to perform a complete memory wipe in order to do so, which changed the droid's personality. After their final hunt for the gambler Drawmas Sma'Da, Zuckuss and 4-LOM parted ways, with Zuckuss relocating to the Outer Rim Territories for a time. Somewhat of a Rebel sympathizer, Zuckuss eventually began to hunt primarily for New Republic targets near the end of his career.

Although incredibly successful, Zuckuss was not without his flaws. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia, and an advanced case of multiple personality disorder, which caused him to speak in two different dialects. He was eventually incarcerated in a penal facility on Coruscant, under the scrutiny of New Republic psychiatrists. Despite his mental health and later imprisonment, Zuckuss became popular on his homeworld of Gand, eventually inspiring an entire generation of Gand bounty hunters to seek success off-world.
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7/17/2011 3:41:11 AM
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At 7/16/2011 10:41:17 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/16/2011 10:38:25 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 7/16/2011 10:28:09 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/16/2011 10:23:46 PM, mongeese wrote:
One cannot force capitalism upon someone else; in fact, it's just about the only economic system that cannot be forced upon someone else, as communism forces all to contribute to a commune, and socialism forces all businesses to subject themselves to government control.

How can one spend so much time on DDO and still say something like this?

By existing?

It's always best to reply to a redundant question with another one, isn't it? :D

You mean rhetorical right?
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7/17/2011 4:27:10 AM
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hmm. is a political position you disagree with a mental disorder? sounds like a fruitful question!
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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7/17/2011 4:38:26 AM
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At 7/17/2011 4:27:10 AM, belle wrote:
hmm. is a political position you disagree with a mental disorder? sounds like a fruitful question!

I can smell your sarcasm a mile away, you alpha-male!

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7/17/2011 11:03:49 AM
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At 7/16/2011 10:23:46 PM, mongeese wrote:
1. Many people start out as liberals or conservatives, but over time become libertarians. How does that fit in to your analysis?

2. Many libertarians donate considerable portions of their income to charity, and still participate in fundraisers and such things. How does that fit into your analysis?

3. What percentage of libertarians do you think are libertarians because of a psychological self-centeredness?

Lrn 2 sarcasm. He's really drawing comparisons between Aspies and libs; not saying all libs are actually Aspies. That makes these questions kind of irrelevant. Plus, look at Dexter (the vigilante, serial killing tv character). He does a lot of good deeds as a front, but that doesn't mean he isn't actually a sociopath.

Finally, a few comments:

One cannot force capitalism upon someone else; in fact, it's just about the only economic system that cannot be forced upon someone else

WHAAAT? You can't be serious. This is a joke, right? Typo maybe?

Additionally, you say that libertarians are impatient, but I can assure you that an impatient person would not have the attention span necessary to read your posts.

Almost every person on this site lacks the patience to read Charles' posts by their own admission (except Cody). I usually do, but I thought this one was amusing :P
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7/17/2011 12:12:13 PM
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At 7/17/2011 11:03:49 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 7/16/2011 10:23:46 PM, mongeese wrote:
1. Many people start out as liberals or conservatives, but over time become libertarians. How does that fit in to your analysis?

2. Many libertarians donate considerable portions of their income to charity, and still participate in fundraisers and such things. How does that fit into your analysis?

3. What percentage of libertarians do you think are libertarians because of a psychological self-centeredness?

Lrn 2 sarcasm. He's really drawing comparisons between Aspies and libs; not saying all libs are actually Aspies.

With charleslb, you can't be sure.

That makes these questions kind of irrelevant.

If he's accusing libertarians of being self-centered, it's refuted by the fact that many libertarians are as nice and charitable as their peers, but just less trustworthy of government. Charles, however, groups all libertarians as self-centered. It's a contradiction that needs clarification, so it's hardly irrelevant.

Plus, look at Dexter (the vigilante, serial killing tv character). He does a lot of good deeds as a front, but that doesn't mean he isn't actually a sociopath.

Are you suggesting that libertarians are charitable "as a front"? Otherwise, I'm missing the point of that statement.

Finally, a few comments:

One cannot force capitalism upon someone else; in fact, it's just about the only economic system that cannot be forced upon someone else

WHAAAT? You can't be serious. This is a joke, right? Typo maybe?

A capitalist economy does not prevent any group within the economy from setting up groups adhering to socialism or communism or whatnot. You could only really "force" capitalism if you consider that if just about everybody else around you is participating in capitalism, you're much better off participating in capitalism, but if that's the case, you really weren't going to get anywhere suggesting communism or socialism any way.

Additionally, you say that libertarians are impatient, but I can assure you that an impatient person would not have the attention span necessary to read your posts.

Almost every person on this site lacks the patience to read Charles' posts by their own admission (except Cody). I usually do, but I thought this one was amusing :P

Can't disagree with that one.
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7/17/2011 12:28:59 PM
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At 7/17/2011 10:58:49 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 7/16/2011 10:14:30 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
>implying Charles' posts are useful.

Ad hominem.
More of an argument from history really.

Also, lol@ calling that in a thread constituting nothing else.
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7/17/2011 12:38:50 PM
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At 7/16/2011 10:11:09 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
In other words, Asperger's is a diagnosis the <strikethrough>Soviets</strikethrough> sheeple invented to slander anyone who doesn't follow the shepherd around enough.

One man's modus ponens is another man's modus tollens.

Of course, I didn't actually read your post, so you could be full of crap, this is assuming you actually found legitimate connections.

Yours is merely a reactionary response that dismisses my thesis with a stock right-wing interpretation of it, and without even reading my arguments. In other words, yours is pretty much a worthless contribution to the thread that accomplishes nothing except giving you the satisfaction of once again expressing your ideologically-based disdain for my progressive point of view. Now then, if you can muster the patience and self-discipline to spend a few minutes actually reading the post, perhaps then you might return with an interesting critique, it's your choice of course.
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7/17/2011 12:53:02 PM
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Now then, if you can muster the patience and self-discipline to spend a few minutes actually reading the post,
I've spent the time it takes to read similar posts from you in the past. Why expect different results?

Let's check here.

Hmm, yeah. You're explicitly declaring not just individualism but LOGIC to be proof of a MENTAL PROBLEM.

Why the hell did I read that? There is no purpose for such a device except exactly the one I declared before reading it-- an ad hoc excuse to throw the opposition in Siberia if you ever get the power.

Oh, and you also say at the start that you're going to reference a scientific study, but you never actually reference a scientific study.

Also, read an abnormal psychology textbook, it should inform you that in order to call something a disorder you have to prove it to be maladaptive first-- it doesn't work the other way around.

Correlation is not causation. What importance do you draw from these random disconnected comparisons?
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7/17/2011 12:54:21 PM
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At 7/17/2011 11:03:49 AM, Danielle wrote:
Lrn 2 sarcasm. He's really drawing comparisons between Aspies and libs; not saying all libs are actually Aspies.
What the hell "Sarcastic" value does that have? What purpose does it serve at all, except the one you identified in the first post on this page?
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7/17/2011 12:56:30 PM
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As for resistance to socialization, in the fuzzy psychological sense (seriously that is a terrible ****ing concept).... are you autistic too? You've clearly resisted all socialization into a more concise debating style ^_^
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7/17/2011 1:03:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/16/2011 9:50:58 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I actually don't find "Libertarians" to be too extreme individually. In-fact, I see the furthest extreme of individualism to be quite contrary to what most "Libertarians" propose and to be quite a social older.

"Libertarians" are victim to the same selective-individualism they claim liberals suffer from.

There are individuals in the mafia who, if you interacted with them at a dinner party, would come across as mannered and not-too-extreme fellows. However, they also have another vicious, evildoing persona that you wouldn't wish to encounter in a dark alley. Likewise, "libertarians", when you experience them in a social context, and don't engage them in an argument about politics or economics, can be as equanimous and reasonable as the next person. However, they also harbor a mentality that is capable of and keen on ruthlessly abolishing the social safety net, and on radically deregulating the ability of big business to wantonly exploit and victimize workers and consumers – i.e. policies that would cause massive human suffering.

No, you can't always informedly and insightfully judge the mental and moral character of people by how they behave toward you in certain polite settings. Behind their genial manner may lurk the nature of a murdering mafiosi or an Aspergerianly fixated and unempathetic libertarian dogmatist devoted to depriving the needy of society's compassion.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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7/17/2011 1:03:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 7/16/2011 10:13:34 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 7/16/2011 10:11:09 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
In other words, Asperger's is a diagnosis the <strikethrough>Soviets</strikethrough> sheeple invented to slander anyone who doesn't follow the shepherd around enough.

One man's modus ponens is another man's modus tollens.

Of course, I didn't actually read your post, so you could be full of crap, this is assuming you actually found legitimate connections.

Everyone who doesn't read them should just stop replying. Your comments are useless.

Good point.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.