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8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
But this will NEVER work. Humans in nature are greedy. They want more than their neighbours. They want to be the lead wolf. They want to be the best.
There is a reason that Communism failed in Russia. People can't get along without violence and greed. It's human nature which is impossible to change.
So yes, we understand that communism is better than all the other political systems but it will never work. So stop posting topics on it please.
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8/24/2011 12:27:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
But this will NEVER work. Humans in nature are greedy. They want more than their neighbours. They want to be the lead wolf. They want to be the best.
There is a reason that Communism failed in Russia. People can't get along without violence and greed. It's human nature which is impossible to change.
So yes, we understand that communism is better than all the other political systems but it will never work. So stop posting topics on it please.

I agree that communism will never work but for completely different reasons. I think that it takes away the motivation for people to be more successful by working harder since everybody is equally successful. The economy will go down because hard workers improve the economy. By the way, this is a debate site. If you find posts that you disagree with, why not just post your disagreement or challenge them to a debate?
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8/24/2011 12:34:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.

One ignores the methods used to bring this into fruition, namely confiscation or property, suppression of individuality, and restrictions on right to trade.

But this will NEVER work. Humans in nature are greedy. They want more than their neighbours. They want to be the lead wolf. They want to be the best.
There is a reason that Communism failed in Russia. People can't get along without violence and greed. It's human nature which is impossible to change.

I disagree with this. While people are not necessarily righteous and egalitarian, the majority of the population does not have an irrepressible urge to go out into the streets and steal from and kill the weak. Most people are controlled by self interest which does not usually spell out violence, but coupled with dismal economic policies enacted by the Russian government during that time, caused the failure of communism in Russia. Human nature itself is not the main cause, but a factor in this.

Also, Communists believes that human nature could change after the remnants of beurgoise society were completely removed, thus the need to establish a communist government to rule while that is being done.

So yes, we understand that communism is better than all the other political systems but it will never work. So stop posting topics on it please.

First, I disagree that communism is better than all other political systems. Even on paper, communism grossly violates basic human and property rights. And second, even if it has been proven impossible in real life, that doesn't make it any less interesting to discuss or point out it's flaws.
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8/24/2011 12:41:02 PM
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Yet again, I must point out that communism does not advocate (nor has it ever) that everyone receive the exact same stuff as everyone else.
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8/24/2011 12:46:39 PM
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At 8/24/2011 12:41:02 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Yet again, I must point out that communism does not advocate (nor has it ever) that everyone receive the exact same stuff as everyone else.

According to wikipedia, communism is a classless society. Socialism just means "public" ownership of the means of production. If thats socialism, what is communism?
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8/24/2011 12:56:31 PM
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At 8/24/2011 12:46:39 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:41:02 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Yet again, I must point out that communism does not advocate (nor has it ever) that everyone receive the exact same stuff as everyone else.

According to wikipedia, communism is a classless society. Socialism just means "public" ownership of the means of production. If thats socialism, what is communism?

First, there are various types of communism. "Classless" means that no one is BORN into a class. This is often achieved by not letting rich parents pass down all their money to kids (so everyone must work for success, not inherret it).

"Classless society refers to a society in which no one is born into a social class. Such distinctions of wealth, income, education, culture, or social network as might arise, in such a society would only be determined by individual experience and achievement."

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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8/24/2011 1:20:27 PM
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Actually Communism did not fail, it took a fading backward twilight power and transformed it back into a superpower. I mean it failed at Communism, but the dictatorship had it's successes.
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8/24/2011 1:44:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
But this will NEVER work. Humans in nature are greedy. They want more than their neighbours. They want to be the lead wolf. They want to be the best.
There is a reason that Communism failed in Russia. People can't get along without violence and greed. It's human nature which is impossible to change.
So yes, we understand that communism is better than all the other political systems but it will never work. So stop posting topics on it please.

SOME humans in nature are greedy. SOME want more than their neighbours. SOME want to be the lead wolf. SOME want to be the best.

You cannot be so sure that every human being wants this, now can you?

With this in mind, I'd suggest you please rephrase your idea.
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8/24/2011 1:44:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/24/2011 1:20:27 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Actually Communism did not fail, it took a fading backward twilight power and transformed it back into a superpower. I mean it failed at Communism, but the dictatorship had it's successes.

While going through two very costly wars for them. (Russia bounced back from WW2 much better than France or England, the US was never really hit hard in WW2 and so didn't have any real rebuilding of its own to do)
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8/24/2011 1:55:52 PM
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At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
First, the point that everyone should be equal is a greatly flawed notion. Certain people should be inferior and others should be superior. The ones who should be inferior are minorites, sexual offenders, and so on. Also the notion that everyone should have equal wealth is also flawed because there will always be variable levels and efforts commited by human beings. Should two people get the same pay if they both have different work paces and/or give different effort? I certainly don't think so.
But this will NEVER work. Humans in nature are greedy. They want more than their neighbours. They want to be the lead wolf. They want to be the best.
It would never work out to begin with, communism can't ever be perfect due to mutiple reasons. Now, I could go on a rant and list all the reasons wrong with it, and I think I will sooner or later about why communism is flawed even if its is "balanced".
There is a reason that Communism failed in Russia. People can't get along without violence and greed. It's human nature which is impossible to change.
Now here is the part that I disagree with you. I agree with you about Communism in Russia, but humans can get a long without violence.
So yes, we understand that communism is better than all the other political systems but it will never work. So stop posting topics on it please.

No, Communism isn't better than all the other political systems. Fascism is better than Communism in a number of ways, and a fascist political system would be much better than any other.
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8/24/2011 2:19:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/24/2011 1:55:52 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
First, the point that everyone should be equal is a greatly flawed notion. Certain people should be inferior and others should be superior. The ones who should be inferior are minorites,

Why should minorities be inferior? Should a brilliant atheist neuro-surgeon be fired in favour of a medicore theistic neuro-surgeon?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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8/24/2011 2:35:31 PM
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C_N, the guy's trolling.
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8/24/2011 2:36:54 PM
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At 8/24/2011 2:35:31 PM, Tim_Spin wrote:
C_N, the guy's trolling.

I know, I was going to attempt a counter troll!
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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8/24/2011 9:06:38 PM
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At 8/24/2011 2:19:06 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/24/2011 1:55:52 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
First, the point that everyone should be equal is a greatly flawed notion. Certain people should be inferior and others should be superior. The ones who should be inferior are minorites,

Why should minorities be inferior? Should a brilliant atheist neuro-surgeon be fired in favour of a medicore theistic neuro-surgeon?

Granted that in any realistic situatuon, there won't be any minority neuro-surgeon that is smarter than a white neuro-surgeon.
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8/24/2011 9:07:16 PM
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At 8/24/2011 9:06:38 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 2:19:06 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/24/2011 1:55:52 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
First, the point that everyone should be equal is a greatly flawed notion. Certain people should be inferior and others should be superior. The ones who should be inferior are minorites,

Why should minorities be inferior? Should a brilliant atheist neuro-surgeon be fired in favour of a medicore theistic neuro-surgeon?

Granted that in any realistic situatuon, there won't be any minority neuro-surgeon that is smarter than a white neuro-surgeon.

proof?
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8/24/2011 9:27:35 PM
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At 8/24/2011 9:07:16 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 8/24/2011 9:06:38 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 2:19:06 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/24/2011 1:55:52 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
First, the point that everyone should be equal is a greatly flawed notion. Certain people should be inferior and others should be superior. The ones who should be inferior are minorites,

Why should minorities be inferior? Should a brilliant atheist neuro-surgeon be fired in favour of a medicore theistic neuro-surgeon?

Granted that in any realistic situatuon, there won't be any minority neuro-surgeon that is smarter than a white neuro-surgeon.

proof?

Give me proof to say that there is a minority neuro-surgeon smarter than a white one.
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8/24/2011 9:31:33 PM
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At 8/24/2011 9:27:35 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 9:07:16 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 8/24/2011 9:06:38 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 2:19:06 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/24/2011 1:55:52 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
First, the point that everyone should be equal is a greatly flawed notion. Certain people should be inferior and others should be superior. The ones who should be inferior are minorites,

Why should minorities be inferior? Should a brilliant atheist neuro-surgeon be fired in favour of a medicore theistic neuro-surgeon?

Granted that in any realistic situatuon, there won't be any minority neuro-surgeon that is smarter than a white neuro-surgeon.

proof?

Give me proof to say that there is a minority neuro-surgeon smarter than a white one.
shifting BoP and goalposts. Nice one.
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8/24/2011 9:34:00 PM
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At 8/24/2011 9:31:33 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 8/24/2011 9:27:35 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 9:07:16 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 8/24/2011 9:06:38 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 2:19:06 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/24/2011 1:55:52 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
First, the point that everyone should be equal is a greatly flawed notion. Certain people should be inferior and others should be superior. The ones who should be inferior are minorites,

Why should minorities be inferior? Should a brilliant atheist neuro-surgeon be fired in favour of a medicore theistic neuro-surgeon?

Granted that in any realistic situatuon, there won't be any minority neuro-surgeon that is smarter than a white neuro-surgeon.

proof?

Give me proof to say that there is a minority neuro-surgeon smarter than a white one.
shifting BoP and goalposts. Nice one.

Religious people do it with their argument of "God exists", all the time. So whats the difference?
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8/25/2011 12:15:10 AM
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At 8/24/2011 9:34:00 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 9:31:33 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 8/24/2011 9:27:35 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 9:07:16 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 8/24/2011 9:06:38 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 2:19:06 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/24/2011 1:55:52 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
First, the point that everyone should be equal is a greatly flawed notion. Certain people should be inferior and others should be superior. The ones who should be inferior are minorites,

Why should minorities be inferior? Should a brilliant atheist neuro-surgeon be fired in favour of a medicore theistic neuro-surgeon?

Granted that in any realistic situatuon, there won't be any minority neuro-surgeon that is smarter than a white neuro-surgeon.

proof?

Give me proof to say that there is a minority neuro-surgeon smarter than a white one.
shifting BoP and goalposts. Nice one.

Religious people do it with their argument of "God exists", all the time. So whats the difference?

I'm not in favor of religion either.
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8/25/2011 1:41:45 PM
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At 8/24/2011 12:56:31 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:46:39 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:41:02 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Yet again, I must point out that communism does not advocate (nor has it ever) that everyone receive the exact same stuff as everyone else.

According to wikipedia, communism is a classless society. Socialism just means "public" ownership of the means of production. If thats socialism, what is communism?

First, there are various types of communism. "Classless" means that no one is BORN into a class. This is often achieved by not letting rich parents pass down all their money to kids (so everyone must work for success, not inherret it).

"Classless society refers to a society in which no one is born into a social class. Such distinctions of wealth, income, education, culture, or social network as might arise, in such a society would only be determined by individual experience and achievement."

http://en.wikipedia.org...

How would that even be physically possible? You'd have to take away parenting rights for that to occur.
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8/25/2011 1:48:36 PM
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At 8/24/2011 9:06:38 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 2:19:06 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/24/2011 1:55:52 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
First, the point that everyone should be equal is a greatly flawed notion. Certain people should be inferior and others should be superior. The ones who should be inferior are minorites,

Why should minorities be inferior? Should a brilliant atheist neuro-surgeon be fired in favour of a medicore theistic neuro-surgeon?

Granted that in any realistic situatuon, there won't be any minority neuro-surgeon that is smarter than a white neuro-surgeon.

You are officially retarded.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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8/25/2011 2:00:50 PM
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At 8/24/2011 9:06:38 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 2:19:06 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/24/2011 1:55:52 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
First, the point that everyone should be equal is a greatly flawed notion. Certain people should be inferior and others should be superior. The ones who should be inferior are minorites,

Why should minorities be inferior? Should a brilliant atheist neuro-surgeon be fired in favour of a medicore theistic neuro-surgeon?

Granted that in any realistic situatuon, there won't be any minority neuro-surgeon that is smarter than a white neuro-surgeon.

Right, because it's been mathematically proven that 100% of white people are smarter than 100% of asian people.
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8/25/2011 2:01:57 PM
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At 8/25/2011 1:41:45 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:56:31 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:46:39 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:41:02 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Yet again, I must point out that communism does not advocate (nor has it ever) that everyone receive the exact same stuff as everyone else.

According to wikipedia, communism is a classless society. Socialism just means "public" ownership of the means of production. If thats socialism, what is communism?

First, there are various types of communism. "Classless" means that no one is BORN into a class. This is often achieved by not letting rich parents pass down all their money to kids (so everyone must work for success, not inherret it).

"Classless society refers to a society in which no one is born into a social class. Such distinctions of wealth, income, education, culture, or social network as might arise, in such a society would only be determined by individual experience and achievement."

http://en.wikipedia.org...

How would that even be physically possible? You'd have to take away parenting rights for that to occur.

Yes, parenting rights would be taken away. Everything would be community driven, much like many pack animals. It would basically be 24/7 day care, lead by the parents.
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8/26/2011 11:36:35 AM
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At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
But this will NEVER work. Humans in nature are greedy. They want more than their neighbours. They want to be the lead wolf. They want to be the best.
There is a reason that Communism failed in Russia. People can't get along without violence and greed. It's human nature which is impossible to change.
So yes, we understand that communism is better than all the other political systems but it will never work. So stop posting topics on it please.

we're a fairly mouldable species it seems. just cos you're an arsehole doesn't mean everyone must necessarily be.. and then maybe you were just raised to be an arsehole... ye americans certainly seem a rather brainwashed lot... and communism isn't communism when there's competition elsewhere... that's capitalism... you might just consider the "communists" another corporation in that world, granted possibly a rather humanitarian one...
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8/26/2011 11:37:57 AM
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At 8/26/2011 11:36:35 AM, el-badgero wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
But this will NEVER work. Humans in nature are greedy. They want more than their neighbours. They want to be the lead wolf. They want to be the best.
There is a reason that Communism failed in Russia. People can't get along without violence and greed. It's human nature which is impossible to change.
So yes, we understand that communism is better than all the other political systems but it will never work. So stop posting topics on it please.

we're a fairly mouldable species it seems. just cos you're an arsehole doesn't mean everyone must necessarily be.. and then maybe you were just raised to be an arsehole... ye americans certainly seem a rather brainwashed lot... and communism isn't communism when there's competition elsewhere... that's capitalism... you might just consider the "communists" another corporation in that world, granted possibly a rather humanitarian one...

hey, a canadian! still... ye far westerners :P
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8/26/2011 12:13:19 PM
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At 8/26/2011 11:36:35 AM, el-badgero wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
But this will NEVER work. Humans in nature are greedy. They want more than their neighbours. They want to be the lead wolf. They want to be the best.
There is a reason that Communism failed in Russia. People can't get along without violence and greed. It's human nature which is impossible to change.
So yes, we understand that communism is better than all the other political systems but it will never work. So stop posting topics on it please.

we're a fairly mouldable species it seems. just cos you're an arsehole doesn't mean everyone must necessarily be.. and then maybe you were just raised to be an arsehole... ye americans certainly seem a rather brainwashed lot... and communism isn't communism when there's competition elsewhere... that's capitalism... you might just consider the "communists" another corporation in that world, granted possibly a rather humanitarian one...

well yeah they're communists, but in a capitalist world which makes the difference... fights against the whole point of communism... weakens it...
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8/26/2011 12:13:59 PM
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well my whole point :P peace and harmony and what not...
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8/26/2011 12:14:23 PM
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what not of the good things like peace and harmony...
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8/26/2011 5:33:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/25/2011 2:01:57 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 8/25/2011 1:41:45 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:56:31 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:46:39 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 8/24/2011 12:41:02 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Yet again, I must point out that communism does not advocate (nor has it ever) that everyone receive the exact same stuff as everyone else.

According to wikipedia, communism is a classless society. Socialism just means "public" ownership of the means of production. If thats socialism, what is communism?

First, there are various types of communism. "Classless" means that no one is BORN into a class. This is often achieved by not letting rich parents pass down all their money to kids (so everyone must work for success, not inherret it).

"Classless society refers to a society in which no one is born into a social class. Such distinctions of wealth, income, education, culture, or social network as might arise, in such a society would only be determined by individual experience and achievement."

http://en.wikipedia.org...

How would that even be physically possible? You'd have to take away parenting rights for that to occur.

Yes, parenting rights would be taken away. Everything would be community driven, much like many pack animals. It would basically be 24/7 day care, lead by the parents

I thought communism was also stateless. How is that not a state? Also, you realize that even your birthday and name will effect you. Along with your genetic makeup. Even after you are just a few years old, people will be able to get cumulative advantages based on who he or she knows.
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8/27/2011 8:11:05 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/24/2011 12:14:10 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Yes, we all understand that Communism is amazing on paper. Everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior, and everybody has equal wealth.
But this will NEVER work. Humans in nature are greedy. They want more than their neighbours. They want to be the lead wolf. They want to be the best.
There is a reason that Communism failed in Russia. People can't get along without violence and greed. It's human nature which is impossible to change.
So yes, we understand that communism is better than all the other political systems but it will never work. So stop posting topics on it please.

I don't understand what about "everybody is equal, nobody is inferior or superior" sounds "amazing on paper." I'd rather my doctor be a bit superior to any old schmuck. It's not that capitalism is a necessary evil; it's just a great thing.