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9/2/2011 8:19:52 PM
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Since Joseph Mengele is one of what I would call a non-troll racist and VocMusTcrMaloy is the very definition of anti-racist, it would be epic to see a debate between the two.
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9/2/2011 8:48:09 PM
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At 9/2/2011 8:19:52 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Since Joseph Mengele is one of what I would call a non-troll racist and VocMusTcrMaloy is the very definition of anti-racist, it would be epic to see a debate between the two.

I might debate him, not sure yet. I have to finish my other debate with curious18 and then I might debate someone else. I can just about tell that a lot of people want to debate me.

I thought feverish was the so called established "anti-racist" person on this website.

Him or that one communist charleslb.
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9/2/2011 10:00:03 PM
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How can someone pro-affirmative action be "The very definition of anti-racist?"
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9/2/2011 10:09:52 PM
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At 9/2/2011 8:48:09 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/2/2011 8:19:52 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Since Joseph Mengele is one of what I would call a non-troll racist and VocMusTcrMaloy is the very definition of anti-racist, it would be epic to see a debate between the two.

I might debate him, not sure yet. I have to finish my other debate with curious18 and then I might debate someone else. I can just about tell that a lot of people want to debate me.

I thought feverish was the so called established "anti-racist" person on this website.

Him or that one communist charleslb.

If you have the time, I'd like to take you on with the resolution "the Holocaust was moral." or if you like "Anyone that is not White is inferior to those who are." or if you prefer " Hitler was a hero." I'm sure you'd be pro for all the aforementioned resolutions.
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9/2/2011 10:09:56 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:00:03 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
How can someone pro-affirmative action be "The very definition of anti-racist?"

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9/2/2011 10:12:10 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:00:03 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
How can someone pro-affirmative action be "The very definition of anti-racist?"

I was just saying that in general, VocMusTcrMaloy likes to battle against racists. Supporting affirmative action isn't necessarily racist but you are right: it could possibly end up being a racist policy in some cases.
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9/2/2011 10:13:11 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:12:10 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:00:03 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
How can someone pro-affirmative action be "The very definition of anti-racist?"

I was just saying that in general, VocMusTcrMaloy likes to battle against racists. Supporting affirmative action isn't necessarily racist but you are right: it could possibly end up being a racist policy in some cases.

It's racism to end racism so it's okay right?
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9/2/2011 10:14:50 PM
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It's a policy of determining actions toward someone by their race.
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9/2/2011 10:16:07 PM
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I'd take on JosephMengele in a debate regarding his forum post where he states that Native Americans are not the real Americans but rather that the white settlers were, and also that the colonial people could claim American ethnicity/ancestry.
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9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM
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Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?
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9/2/2011 10:18:36 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

Come now, ike. You're being really overly hostile toward Mengele.
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9/2/2011 10:21:11 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:13:11 PM, Tim_Spin wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:12:10 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:00:03 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
How can someone pro-affirmative action be "The very definition of anti-racist?"

I was just saying that in general, VocMusTcrMaloy likes to battle against racists. Supporting affirmative action isn't necessarily racist but you are right: it could possibly end up being a racist policy in some cases.

It's racism to end racism so it's okay right?

Like I said, Ragnar_Rahl was partly right. Affirmative action could be racist. But it doesn't have to be. Affirmative action exists because people of some races have been historically disadvantaged, such as for instance, hypothetically let's say people of race H, and race B are underrepresented in Universities whereas people of race A and race W are overrepresented. Aff action merely attempts to correct the historical disadvantges that race B and race H had to face due to being poorer on average than race A or race W.

If people of any race do not want aff action, they can choose not to have it because providing info on race on college/job applications is strictly voluntary.
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9/2/2011 10:21:55 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

The ideas of white supremacy held sway for literally centuries before the 1960's. Not that I agree with the position, but it's certainly debateable.
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9/2/2011 10:22:36 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:18:36 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

Come now, ike. You're being really overly hostile toward Mengele.

I'm not insulting his debating capability, its just that his views are wrong by nature and theres not much one has to do to prove him wrong. Its like accepting a debate that the moon is made of cheese. I'm sure he's a skilled debater, but absolutely wrong ideas fail absolutely.
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9/2/2011 10:23:41 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:21:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

The ideas of white supremacy held sway for literally centuries before the 1960's. Not that I agree with the position, but it's certainly debateable.

It is, though I wonder what Mengele might use to support his position. He said he had concrete facts to prove his stance. Let's see if those facts and sources are as concrete as he stated....
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9/2/2011 10:24:35 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:21:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

The ideas of white supremacy held sway for literally centuries before the 1960's. Not that I agree with the position, but it's certainly debateable.

The supremacy of any race is debatable but in the secular, multicultural, modern American society, it would be very difficult to convince someone that a certain race is better than others.
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9/2/2011 10:26:16 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:23:41 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:21:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

The ideas of white supremacy held sway for literally centuries before the 1960's. Not that I agree with the position, but it's certainly debateable.

It is, though I wonder what Mengele might use to support his position. He said he had concrete facts to prove his stance. Let's see if those facts and sources are as concrete as he stated....

Facts that support his view, but don't prove it. For instance, he'll likely point out that since white countries generally do better than non-white ones, it's proof of white supremacy, but it could just as easily be the result of other factors beyond race.
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9/2/2011 10:28:11 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:26:16 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:23:41 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:21:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

The ideas of white supremacy held sway for literally centuries before the 1960's. Not that I agree with the position, but it's certainly debateable.

It is, though I wonder what Mengele might use to support his position. He said he had concrete facts to prove his stance. Let's see if those facts and sources are as concrete as he stated....

Facts that support his view, but don't prove it. For instance, he'll likely point out that since white countries generally do better than non-white ones, it's proof of white supremacy, but it could just as easily be the result of other factors beyond race.

What about any 'evidence' in regards to races, and their individual characteristics?
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9/2/2011 10:30:04 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:28:11 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:26:16 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:23:41 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:21:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

The ideas of white supremacy held sway for literally centuries before the 1960's. Not that I agree with the position, but it's certainly debateable.

It is, though I wonder what Mengele might use to support his position. He said he had concrete facts to prove his stance. Let's see if those facts and sources are as concrete as he stated....

Facts that support his view, but don't prove it. For instance, he'll likely point out that since white countries generally do better than non-white ones, it's proof of white supremacy, but it could just as easily be the result of other factors beyond race.

What about any 'evidence' in regards to races, and their individual characteristics?

Disparity between IQ scores, economic situations when in the same country, the fact that African society has generally gotten worse since the whites left (no mention that the Africans had a functional society before the whites came of course).
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9/2/2011 10:30:43 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:26:16 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:23:41 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:21:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

The ideas of white supremacy held sway for literally centuries before the 1960's. Not that I agree with the position, but it's certainly debateable.

It is, though I wonder what Mengele might use to support his position. He said he had concrete facts to prove his stance. Let's see if those facts and sources are as concrete as he stated....

Facts that support his view, but don't prove it. For instance, he'll likely point out that since white countries generally do better than non-white ones, it's proof of white supremacy, but it could just as easily be the result of other factors beyond race.

It would be easy to prove that a multi-cultural country like the United States does better than many traditionally "white" countries in Europe such as Ireland, Finland, Italy etc.
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9/2/2011 10:32:18 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:30:43 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:26:16 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:23:41 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:21:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

The ideas of white supremacy held sway for literally centuries before the 1960's. Not that I agree with the position, but it's certainly debateable.

It is, though I wonder what Mengele might use to support his position. He said he had concrete facts to prove his stance. Let's see if those facts and sources are as concrete as he stated....

Facts that support his view, but don't prove it. For instance, he'll likely point out that since white countries generally do better than non-white ones, it's proof of white supremacy, but it could just as easily be the result of other factors beyond race.

It would be easy to prove that a multi-cultural country like the United States does better than many traditionally "white" countries in Europe such as Ireland, Finland, Italy etc.

True, but good luck denying that the dominant race is white, and has historically been overwhelmingly white (particuarly at the nations post-war peak of power)
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9/2/2011 10:33:21 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:30:04 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:28:11 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:26:16 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:23:41 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:21:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

The ideas of white supremacy held sway for literally centuries before the 1960's. Not that I agree with the position, but it's certainly debateable.

It is, though I wonder what Mengele might use to support his position. He said he had concrete facts to prove his stance. Let's see if those facts and sources are as concrete as he stated....

Facts that support his view, but don't prove it. For instance, he'll likely point out that since white countries generally do better than non-white ones, it's proof of white supremacy, but it could just as easily be the result of other factors beyond race.

What about any 'evidence' in regards to races, and their individual characteristics?

Disparity between IQ scores
Easily disproved or questioned if one questions the accuracy of IQ tests in determining cognitive abilities

economic situations when in the same country
I believe that other factors can be considered to prove that the disparity between economic situation does not indicate superiority in either sense...

the fact that African society has generally gotten worse since the whites left
One can attribute to the damage whites have done and dealt to African society...

(no mention that the Africans had a functional society before the whites came of course).
Yes...Joseph's opponent should include that Africa has supported several advanced civilizations (Egypt, the Nubians, and the three salt-gold trading kingdoms in particular)...
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9/2/2011 10:35:52 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:33:21 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:30:04 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:28:11 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:26:16 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:23:41 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:21:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

The ideas of white supremacy held sway for literally centuries before the 1960's. Not that I agree with the position, but it's certainly debateable.

It is, though I wonder what Mengele might use to support his position. He said he had concrete facts to prove his stance. Let's see if those facts and sources are as concrete as he stated....

Facts that support his view, but don't prove it. For instance, he'll likely point out that since white countries generally do better than non-white ones, it's proof of white supremacy, but it could just as easily be the result of other factors beyond race.

What about any 'evidence' in regards to races, and their individual characteristics?

Disparity between IQ scores
Easily disproved or questioned if one questions the accuracy of IQ tests in determining cognitive abilities

economic situations when in the same country
I believe that other factors can be considered to prove that the disparity between economic situation does not indicate superiority in either sense...

the fact that African society has generally gotten worse since the whites left
One can attribute to the damage whites have done and dealt to African society...

(no mention that the Africans had a functional society before the whites came of course).
Yes...Joseph's opponent should include that Africa has supported several advanced civilizations (Egypt, the Nubians, and the three salt-gold trading kingdoms in particular)...

The issue of IQ scores is the biggest one. Seriously, try to disprove it, the vast majority of studies show the same thing that blacks score lower than whites. (of course I beleive the division to be based on social circumstances but you get the point).
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9/2/2011 10:39:17 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:32:18 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:30:43 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:26:16 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:23:41 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:21:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

The ideas of white supremacy held sway for literally centuries before the 1960's. Not that I agree with the position, but it's certainly debateable.

It is, though I wonder what Mengele might use to support his position. He said he had concrete facts to prove his stance. Let's see if those facts and sources are as concrete as he stated....

Facts that support his view, but don't prove it. For instance, he'll likely point out that since white countries generally do better than non-white ones, it's proof of white supremacy, but it could just as easily be the result of other factors beyond race.

It would be easy to prove that a multi-cultural country like the United States does better than many traditionally "white" countries in Europe such as Ireland, Finland, Italy etc.

True, but good luck denying that the dominant race is white, and has historically been overwhelmingly white (particuarly at the nations post-war peak of power)

The United States is even more powerful now than it was post-war when it was overwhelmingly white (I'll take your word for it as I don't have the census figures). But now, due to immigration from Asia in particular, its technology in computers and the IT sector grew much more than any other country making it even more powerful.
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9/2/2011 10:40:30 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:16:07 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
I'd take on JosephMengele in a debate regarding his forum post where he states that Native Americans are not the real Americans but rather that the white settlers were, and also that the colonial people could claim American ethnicity/ancestry.

I'm sure that would be easily disproven, anyway....'Native' means "belonging by birth to a people regarded as indigenous to a certain place, especially a preliterate people" http://dictionary.reference.com......

One can at least show that a) they migrated to North America by means of an ice bridge (evidence for the Clovis culture might prove that) b) and formed advanced civilizations well before the settlement of 'whites'...
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9/2/2011 10:42:02 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:39:17 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:32:18 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:30:43 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:26:16 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:23:41 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:21:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

The ideas of white supremacy held sway for literally centuries before the 1960's. Not that I agree with the position, but it's certainly debateable.

It is, though I wonder what Mengele might use to support his position. He said he had concrete facts to prove his stance. Let's see if those facts and sources are as concrete as he stated....

Facts that support his view, but don't prove it. For instance, he'll likely point out that since white countries generally do better than non-white ones, it's proof of white supremacy, but it could just as easily be the result of other factors beyond race.

It would be easy to prove that a multi-cultural country like the United States does better than many traditionally "white" countries in Europe such as Ireland, Finland, Italy etc.

True, but good luck denying that the dominant race is white, and has historically been overwhelmingly white (particuarly at the nations post-war peak of power)

The United States is even more powerful now than it was post-war when it was overwhelmingly white (I'll take your word for it as I don't have the census figures). But now, due to immigration from Asia in particular, its technology in computers and the IT sector grew much more than any other country making it even more powerful.

Powerful in what way? Hard or soft power?
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9/2/2011 10:43:19 PM
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At 9/2/2011 10:40:30 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:16:07 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
I'd take on JosephMengele in a debate regarding his forum post where he states that Native Americans are not the real Americans but rather that the white settlers were, and also that the colonial people could claim American ethnicity/ancestry.

I'm sure that would be easily disproven, anyway....'Native' means "belonging by birth to a people regarded as indigenous to a certain place, especially a preliterate people" http://dictionary.reference.com......

One can at least show that a) they migrated to North America by means of an ice bridge (evidence for the Clovis culture might prove that) b) and formed advanced civilizations well before the settlement of 'whites'...

You would be absolutely shocked at the stupid things White Nationalists will argue. I saw a thread on stormfront once where they were arguing that the Egyptian pharohs were European.
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9/2/2011 10:46:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/2/2011 10:42:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:39:17 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:32:18 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:30:43 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:26:16 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:23:41 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:21:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

The ideas of white supremacy held sway for literally centuries before the 1960's. Not that I agree with the position, but it's certainly debateable.

It is, though I wonder what Mengele might use to support his position. He said he had concrete facts to prove his stance. Let's see if those facts and sources are as concrete as he stated....

Facts that support his view, but don't prove it. For instance, he'll likely point out that since white countries generally do better than non-white ones, it's proof of white supremacy, but it could just as easily be the result of other factors beyond race.

It would be easy to prove that a multi-cultural country like the United States does better than many traditionally "white" countries in Europe such as Ireland, Finland, Italy etc.

True, but good luck denying that the dominant race is white, and has historically been overwhelmingly white (particuarly at the nations post-war peak of power)

The United States is even more powerful now than it was post-war when it was overwhelmingly white (I'll take your word for it as I don't have the census figures). But now, due to immigration from Asia in particular, its technology in computers and the IT sector grew much more than any other country making it even more powerful.

Powerful in what way? Hard or soft power?

Hard because it improved defence capabilities. Soft because the US has more bargaining power with many countries due to people of that country's ethnicity being in the United States. So, the modern, more multicultural United States is far more powerful than it was a few decades ago when it was almost exclusively dominated by whites.
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9/2/2011 10:47:40 PM
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What Mengele doesn't realize is that immigration is the only thing keeping the scientific faction of America alive. Native born American children on average are among the least educated in the developed world. Maybe i shouldn't give too much away, It would truly brighten my day to see him lose every debate he every enters.
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9/2/2011 10:49:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/2/2011 10:46:03 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:42:02 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:39:17 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:32:18 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:30:43 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:26:16 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:23:41 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:21:55 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/2/2011 10:17:37 PM, 000ike wrote:
Is it dishonorable to debate Mengele? I mean, we all know he will lose, so its like a free win isn't it?

The ideas of white supremacy held sway for literally centuries before the 1960's. Not that I agree with the position, but it's certainly debateable.

It is, though I wonder what Mengele might use to support his position. He said he had concrete facts to prove his stance. Let's see if those facts and sources are as concrete as he stated....

Facts that support his view, but don't prove it. For instance, he'll likely point out that since white countries generally do better than non-white ones, it's proof of white supremacy, but it could just as easily be the result of other factors beyond race.

It would be easy to prove that a multi-cultural country like the United States does better than many traditionally "white" countries in Europe such as Ireland, Finland, Italy etc.

True, but good luck denying that the dominant race is white, and has historically been overwhelmingly white (particuarly at the nations post-war peak of power)

The United States is even more powerful now than it was post-war when it was overwhelmingly white (I'll take your word for it as I don't have the census figures). But now, due to immigration from Asia in particular, its technology in computers and the IT sector grew much more than any other country making it even more powerful.

Powerful in what way? Hard or soft power?

Hard because it improved defence capabilities. Soft because the US has more bargaining power with many countries due to people of that country's ethnicity being in the United States. So, the modern, more multicultural United States is far more powerful than it was a few decades ago when it was almost exclusively dominated by whites.

The U.S. was always multi-cultural. It was not always multi-racial. Other than the technological things you attribute to the Asians, (which is debateable considering that the two most important figures in American technology Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are both white.) how have the other races that have flooded in since then contributed to U.S. hegemony?
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right