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Plagiarism Extremism

000ike
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9/19/2011 3:08:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Read this debate: http://www.pbs.org...

All you really need to read is the 1st 4 paragraphs by margaret warner. I don't think its plagiarism if there is a footnote of the source AND the material was paraphrased.

This kind of overly sensitive rule on plagiarism makes no sense. You cannot own the english language.

I find myself writing timidly on school essays so I don't get accused of accidental plagiarism or don't accidentally repeat word for word a sentence that someone has written before. This is taking intellectual property to extremes. Only something ripped off word for word over a LONG passage, or slightly altered without citation is plagiarism. Its very likely that certain sentences and phrases get repeated, that is no ground upon which to incriminate people.

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9/19/2011 4:20:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/19/2011 4:18:56 PM, MarquisX wrote:
Just seems like the guy is on an ego trip

which guy? The one that allegedly "plagiarized" or the one he allegedly "plagiarized" from?
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9/19/2011 4:29:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I agree. This whole plagiarism thing has gone overboard. My school has been progressively harsher and harsher on plagiarism, counting even taking a single answer to a simple question form a schoolmate as plagiarism, with both the cheater and the person who allowed the cheating getting punished. Not only that, but some teachers have said that if they even suspect plagiarism, then the accused gets an automatic 0, no questions asked.
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9/19/2011 4:41:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Jerah Johnson teaches at my school lol.
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9/27/2011 9:48:11 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Um, I was taught in my English studies at high school, that if you are going to repeat some else's words word for word you use quotation marks " " this automatically signifies they are not your words but someone else's. When you "paraphrase" You rewrite what someone else said in your own words, only using key words or phrases. Then you put a foot note at the bottom indicating the source for that paraphrase and giving credit to who originated the thought.

This all seems like English 101 to me.
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9/27/2011 10:05:09 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/27/2011 9:48:11 AM, sadolite wrote:
Um, I was taught in my English studies at high school, that if you are going to repeat some else's words word for word you use quotation marks " " this automatically signifies they are not your words but someone else's. When you "paraphrase" You rewrite what someone else said in your own words, only using key words or phrases. Then you put a foot note at the bottom indicating the source for that paraphrase and giving credit to who originated the thought.

This all seems like English 101 to me.

You should also cite when you quote (since you are admitting that they aren't your words, you should say where they came from).
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9/27/2011 10:29:05 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
The distinction between plagarism and simply quoting is very, very, very clear.
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