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Lack of Education Increases Crime Rates

jimtimmy
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10/26/2011 10:10:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

Nope.

There is a major lurking variable... that is Cognitive Intellectual Ability (IQ)...

IQ is highly correlated with Education and negatively correlatd with Crime...

Low Intelligence, not lack of education, is the main cause of crime
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10/26/2011 10:11:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/26/2011 10:10:12 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

Nope.

There is a major lurking variable... that is Cognitive Intellectual Ability (IQ)...

IQ is highly correlated with Education and negatively correlatd with Crime...

Low Intelligence, not lack of education, is the main cause of crime

You are the monkey to the left in your avatar.
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10/26/2011 10:23:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/26/2011 10:11:46 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/26/2011 10:10:12 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

Nope.

There is a major lurking variable... that is Cognitive Intellectual Ability (IQ)...

IQ is highly correlated with Education and negatively correlatd with Crime...

Low Intelligence, not lack of education, is the main cause of crime

You are the monkey to the left in your avatar.

I propose a new study: does the use of ad hominems at all correlate with intelligence?
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10/26/2011 10:24:58 PM
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At 10/26/2011 10:23:36 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 10/26/2011 10:11:46 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/26/2011 10:10:12 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

Nope.

There is a major lurking variable... that is Cognitive Intellectual Ability (IQ)...

IQ is highly correlated with Education and negatively correlatd with Crime...

Low Intelligence, not lack of education, is the main cause of crime

You are the monkey to the left in your avatar.

I propose a new study: does the use of ad hominems at all correlate with intelligence?

Lol, I'd be very interested to see the results...
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10/26/2011 10:27:34 PM
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Lack of social capitol leads to crime rates, the product of either civic disunity in the case of housing projects or dysfunctional upbinging...or otherwise relying on governmental institutions as a substitute for social capitol. Education loss is just a by-product.
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10/26/2011 10:33:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/26/2011 10:27:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Lack of social capitol leads to crime rates, the product of either civic disunity in the case of housing projects or dysfunctional upbinging...or otherwise relying on governmental institutions as a substitute for social capitol. Education loss is just a by-product.

I attribute a large part of it to genetics, particularly lack of Intelligence (IQ)... That is my hunch on this... but there is certainly room for disagreement
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10/26/2011 10:55:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
While I do agree that lack of education is associated with many other elements of lower class life, education paves the way for college, which leads to higher paying jobs, and as the study showed people with higher education were fewer in number, but higher in sentence. People with lower education were higher in number, but lower in sentence.
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10/26/2011 11:07:44 PM
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At 10/26/2011 10:55:46 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
While I do agree that lack of education is associated with many other elements of lower class life, education paves the way for college, which leads to higher paying jobs, and as the study showed people with higher education were fewer in number, but higher in sentence. People with lower education were higher in number, but lower in sentence.

Did it control for self-selective bias? In other words people who would go on to higher education are people that wouldn't have lived a life of crime in the first place. Choosing to go to college can say more about the individual, rather than how college/education
"changes" the individual.
Correlation =/= causation
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10/26/2011 11:14:30 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/26/2011 11:07:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/26/2011 10:55:46 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
While I do agree that lack of education is associated with many other elements of lower class life, education paves the way for college, which leads to higher paying jobs, and as the study showed people with higher education were fewer in number, but higher in sentence. People with lower education were higher in number, but lower in sentence.

Did it control for self-selective bias? In other words people who would go on to higher education are people that wouldn't have lived a life of crime in the first place. Choosing to go to college can say more about the individual, rather than how college/education
"changes" the individual.
Correlation =/= causation

So you're saying that it just so happens that an extensive group of individuals with similar personalities just happen to be in lower class areas with fewer educational opportunities?
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10/26/2011 11:16:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/26/2011 11:14:30 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 10/26/2011 11:07:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/26/2011 10:55:46 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
While I do agree that lack of education is associated with many other elements of lower class life, education paves the way for college, which leads to higher paying jobs, and as the study showed people with higher education were fewer in number, but higher in sentence. People with lower education were higher in number, but lower in sentence.

Did it control for self-selective bias? In other words people who would go on to higher education are people that wouldn't have lived a life of crime in the first place. Choosing to go to college can say more about the individual, rather than how college/education
"changes" the individual.
Correlation =/= causation

So you're saying that it just so happens that an extensive group of individuals with similar personalities just happen to be in lower class areas with fewer educational opportunities?

No, please explain?
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10/27/2011 6:36:23 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/26/2011 11:07:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/26/2011 10:55:46 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
While I do agree that lack of education is associated with many other elements of lower class life, education paves the way for college, which leads to higher paying jobs, and as the study showed people with higher education were fewer in number, but higher in sentence. People with lower education were higher in number, but lower in sentence.

Did it control for self-selective bias? In other words people who would go on to higher education are people that wouldn't have lived a life of crime in the first place. Choosing to go to college can say more about the individual, rather than how college/education
"changes" the individual.
Correlation =/= causation

Yes that was what I meant.. Correlation is not the same as causation.
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10/27/2011 11:19:17 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/26/2011 11:16:43 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/26/2011 11:14:30 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 10/26/2011 11:07:44 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/26/2011 10:55:46 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
While I do agree that lack of education is associated with many other elements of lower class life, education paves the way for college, which leads to higher paying jobs, and as the study showed people with higher education were fewer in number, but higher in sentence. People with lower education were higher in number, but lower in sentence.

Did it control for self-selective bias? In other words people who would go on to higher education are people that wouldn't have lived a life of crime in the first place. Choosing to go to college can say more about the individual, rather than how college/education
"changes" the individual.

Correlation =/= causation

So you're saying that it just so happens that an extensive group of individuals with similar personalities just happen to be in lower class areas with fewer educational opportunities?

No, please explain?

Read bold.
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10/27/2011 11:19:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/27/2011 9:51:36 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

It depends on your skewed definition of crime.

And your skewed definition of brain power.
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10/27/2011 11:22:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/27/2011 11:19:38 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 10/27/2011 9:51:36 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

It depends on your skewed definition of crime.

And your skewed definition of brain power.

It's actually a legitimate question, since there are many crimes that I would not consider crimes. For example I would hardly call doing drugs, selling drugs, and prostitution crimes since they are victimless.
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10/28/2011 8:46:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/27/2011 11:22:00 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:19:38 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 10/27/2011 9:51:36 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study

that is the case

Do you agree?

It depends on your skewed definition of crime.

And your skewed definition of brain power.

It's actually a legitimate question, since there are many crimes that I would not consider crimes. For example I would hardly call doing drugs, selling drugs, and prostitution crimes since they are victimless.

Sorry. Its hard to tell when hes trolling.

Anyways, not having a proper education increases the likelyhood of committing a crime, victimless or not.
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10/28/2011 9:19:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/26/2011 10:10:12 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

Nope.

There is a major lurking variable... that is Cognitive Intellectual Ability (IQ)...

IQ is highly correlated with Education and negatively correlatd with Crime...

Low Intelligence, not lack of education, is the main cause of crime

Read the article. They aren't claiming education is best predictor. They're saying that raising education rates reduces crime.

This is very well established.
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10/28/2011 9:23:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/26/2011 10:10:12 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

Nope.

There is a major lurking variable... that is Cognitive Intellectual Ability (IQ)...

IQ is highly correlated with Education and negatively correlatd with Crime...

Low Intelligence, not lack of education, is the main cause of crime

There is a difference between IQ correlation with crime and saying low IQ is the main cause of crime.

Take a class in neurology. When it comes to moral decision making, the relevant cognitive factors have relatively NOTHING to do with IQ.

You can argue crime is primarily genetic, but saying that of all of NEUROLOGY, IQ is the most relevant to creating a criminal, then you have entered complete lunacy.
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10/28/2011 9:30:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/28/2011 9:23:54 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 10/26/2011 10:10:12 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

Nope.

There is a major lurking variable... that is Cognitive Intellectual Ability (IQ)...

IQ is highly correlated with Education and negatively correlatd with Crime...

Low Intelligence, not lack of education, is the main cause of crime

There is a difference between IQ correlation with crime and saying low IQ is the main cause of crime.

Take a class in neurology. When it comes to moral decision making, the relevant cognitive factors have relatively NOTHING to do with IQ.

You can argue crime is primarily genetic, but saying that of all of NEUROLOGY, IQ is the most relevant to creating a criminal, then you have entered complete lunacy.

What would you say to the argument that low IQ causes poverty, and poverty causes crime?
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10/28/2011 10:08:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/27/2011 11:22:00 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:19:38 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 10/27/2011 9:51:36 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

It depends on your skewed definition of crime.

And your skewed definition of brain power.

It's actually a legitimate question, since there are many crimes that I would not consider crimes. For example I would hardly call doing drugs, selling drugs, and prostitution crimes since they are victimless.

Lol, Darkkermit subtly shoving his libertarian agenda down everyone's throat.
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10/28/2011 10:12:09 PM
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At 10/28/2011 10:08:23 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:22:00 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:19:38 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 10/27/2011 9:51:36 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

It depends on your skewed definition of crime.

And your skewed definition of brain power.

It's actually a legitimate question, since there are many crimes that I would not consider crimes. For example I would hardly call doing drugs, selling drugs, and prostitution crimes since they are victimless.

Lol, Darkkermit subtly shoving his libertarian agenda down everyone's throat.

That reminds me.
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10/28/2011 10:34:18 PM
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At 10/28/2011 10:08:23 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:22:00 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:19:38 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 10/27/2011 9:51:36 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

It depends on your skewed definition of crime.

And your skewed definition of brain power.

It's actually a legitimate question, since there are many crimes that I would not consider crimes. For example I would hardly call doing drugs, selling drugs, and prostitution crimes since they are victimless.

Lol, Darkkermit subtly shoving his libertarian agenda down everyone's throat.

Do I really do that and this is a fault of mine?
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10/28/2011 10:38:14 PM
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At 10/28/2011 10:34:18 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/28/2011 10:08:23 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:22:00 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:19:38 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 10/27/2011 9:51:36 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

It depends on your skewed definition of crime.

And your skewed definition of brain power.

It's actually a legitimate question, since there are many crimes that I would not consider crimes. For example I would hardly call doing drugs, selling drugs, and prostitution crimes since they are victimless.

Lol, Darkkermit subtly shoving his libertarian agenda down everyone's throat.

Do I really do that and this is a fault of mine?

I don't think so and obviously it is your best quality.
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10/28/2011 10:41:17 PM
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At 10/28/2011 10:08:23 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:22:00 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:19:38 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 10/27/2011 9:51:36 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

It depends on your skewed definition of crime.

And your skewed definition of brain power.

It's actually a legitimate question, since there are many crimes that I would not consider crimes. For example I would hardly call doing drugs, selling drugs, and prostitution crimes since they are victimless.

Lol, Darkkermit subtly shoving his libertarian agenda down everyone's throat.

Isnt everyone always shoving their personal agenda down everybody elses throat?
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10/29/2011 12:27:05 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/28/2011 10:41:17 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/28/2011 10:08:23 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:22:00 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:19:38 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 10/27/2011 9:51:36 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

It depends on your skewed definition of crime.

And your skewed definition of brain power.

It's actually a legitimate question, since there are many crimes that I would not consider crimes. For example I would hardly call doing drugs, selling drugs, and prostitution crimes since they are victimless.

Lol, Darkkermit subtly shoving his libertarian agenda down everyone's throat.

Isnt everyone always shoving their personal agenda down everybody elses throat?

Lol, no.

Dogmatically clinging to beliefs despite clear evidence of the contrary is called DELUSION.

Not everyone even has a "personal agenda" regarding the perspectives of others.
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10/29/2011 1:14:06 AM
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At 10/29/2011 12:27:05 AM, Ren wrote:
At 10/28/2011 10:41:17 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/28/2011 10:08:23 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:22:00 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:19:38 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 10/27/2011 9:51:36 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

It depends on your skewed definition of crime.

And your skewed definition of brain power.

It's actually a legitimate question, since there are many crimes that I would not consider crimes. For example I would hardly call doing drugs, selling drugs, and prostitution crimes since they are victimless.

Lol, Darkkermit subtly shoving his libertarian agenda down everyone's throat.

Isnt everyone always shoving their personal agenda down everybody elses throat?

Lol, no.

Dogmatically clinging to beliefs despite clear evidence of the contrary is called DELUSION.

Not everyone even has a "personal agenda" regarding the perspectives of others.

Ren, not everyone can be as objective and unbiased as you.

Ren, I can tell that you're just one of those guys who "follows the evidence" and "looks at the facts"....
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10/29/2011 1:12:31 PM
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At 10/29/2011 1:14:06 AM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/29/2011 12:27:05 AM, Ren wrote:
At 10/28/2011 10:41:17 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/28/2011 10:08:23 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:22:00 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 10/27/2011 11:19:38 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 10/27/2011 9:51:36 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

It depends on your skewed definition of crime.

And your skewed definition of brain power.

It's actually a legitimate question, since there are many crimes that I would not consider crimes. For example I would hardly call doing drugs, selling drugs, and prostitution crimes since they are victimless.

Lol, Darkkermit subtly shoving his libertarian agenda down everyone's throat.

Isnt everyone always shoving their personal agenda down everybody elses throat?

Lol, no.

Dogmatically clinging to beliefs despite clear evidence of the contrary is called DELUSION.

Not everyone even has a "personal agenda" regarding the perspectives of others.

Ren, not everyone can be as objective and unbiased as you.

Ren, I can tell that you're just one of those guys who "follows the evidence" and "looks at the facts"....

Lulz.
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10/29/2011 1:58:31 PM
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At 10/28/2011 9:30:15 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/28/2011 9:23:54 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 10/26/2011 10:10:12 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/26/2011 8:51:56 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
According to this study http://escholarship.org...

that is the case

Do you agree?

Nope.

There is a major lurking variable... that is Cognitive Intellectual Ability (IQ)...

IQ is highly correlated with Education and negatively correlatd with Crime...

Low Intelligence, not lack of education, is the main cause of crime

There is a difference between IQ correlation with crime and saying low IQ is the main cause of crime.

Take a class in neurology. When it comes to moral decision making, the relevant cognitive factors have relatively NOTHING to do with IQ.

You can argue crime is primarily genetic, but saying that of all of NEUROLOGY, IQ is the most relevant to creating a criminal, then you have entered complete lunacy.

What would you say to the argument that low IQ causes poverty, and poverty causes crime?

Pretty damn simplistic. Ignores several hundred years of anthropological, sociological, and psychological research.

I'm sure Bernie Madoff isn't a criminal, right? Kenneth Lay? Oh, but they don't count, they don't mug people with a gun, they do it with a pen. Every white collar criminal ever? I'm sure poverty and low IQ is responsible for that.

A simplistic correlation like that confuses the ability of a factor to predict crime, and the causal link behind crime.

What most people do is confine "crime" to acts which are perpetrated on the level of poor people (and, coincidentally, ones that tend to involve blacks and hispanics). Two middle-class hippies kidnap a young girl and hold her for months. Must be their IQ. A billionaire Saudi from a oil family decides to attack the world trade center. He must be poor or stupid.

Some rich college kids rape a girl with a baseball bat. They must be poor. Or stupid. Two middle-class boys walk into their school and shoots his classmates. Must be stupid. Some guys beat a homosexual to death after the homosexual flirted with one of them. Must be IQ.

I'm sure the entire mafia is full of poor morons. Same with the politicians son who runs over a little girl and takes off, hoping he won't get caught. Or the college professor who takes advantage of every female student he can. The Catholic Priest who molests a child. The lawyers who illegally uses private investigators to get dirt on a target. The cops who plant evidence. The judges who put a man in prison for life because of that person's race.

Sure, restrict "crime" to armed robbery, petty theft, breaking and entering,and assault and battery, and you'll get a very pretty correlation with poor people.

Also, seeing as how all of these correlations come from records of people who were CAUGHT, and seeing as how (shocker) rich people tend to get off crimes easier than poorer ones, how is it in the least surprising that we find elevated rates for the poor?