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Stephen_Hawkins
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11/1/2011 5:32:29 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
It's as simple as it says on the tin. For me, it is the stanford prisoner experiment:

http://www.prisonexp.org...
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11/1/2011 6:16:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/1/2011 5:32:29 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
It's as simple as it says on the tin. For me, it is the stanford prisoner experiment:

http://www.prisonexp.org...

Yeah I've heard about that one a few times. Ridiculous the things people do when in a position of power.

For me, its when a person, who is completely capable, merely stands and watches while a frail person is being beaten to death by a mugger 10 feet away from him.
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11/1/2011 6:18:31 PM
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The apathy, callousness and greed of my fellow man removes my faith in Humanity.
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11/1/2011 6:18:32 PM
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The Holocaust
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11/1/2011 6:26:48 PM
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Emptiness, wars, the current state of education, &ct...
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11/1/2011 6:36:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
What I saw 5 days ago just reaffirmed my total and complete lack of faith in the human race. While I was running my bridge saw, I hear one of the Latino immigrants yelling something in Spanish like they always do but in this case all the rest of the Latino immigrants stop and drop what they are doing and run over to the gut yelling.

The guy that was yelling was standing next to the soda and snack machine, seems he discovered that one of the dispensers that dispense snacks would just keep turning until it would empty all the snacks in that specific dispenser. Well they that all proceed to steal all the snacks and try to hide them under their shirts as though nothing was happening. They didn't know I saw what they were doing and I will never say anything. The worst part about it is that the guy who owns the vending machine is a Latino to. He's a nice guy, he tells everyone to just write down their name on a piece of paper if they lost any money in the machine and he would square up every time he comes to fill the machine. Now that I have seen what I have seen, I'll bet those aholes lie about that to. I can't wait to tell him about his Latino brethren and how they are stabbing him in the back.
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11/1/2011 7:16:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/1/2011 5:32:29 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
It's as simple as it says on the tin. For me, it is the stanford prisoner experiment:

http://www.prisonexp.org...

when liberal college students were told to act like prison guards they became abusive jerks? i bet if they did another study and told rednecks to act like college students the rednecks would do a bunch of drugs and have gay orgies. would this accurately represent the college experience? for most people probably not. it represents the participating persons biases, nothing else.
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11/1/2011 7:26:25 PM
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At 11/1/2011 7:16:05 PM, kogline wrote:
At 11/1/2011 5:32:29 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
It's as simple as it says on the tin. For me, it is the stanford prisoner experiment:

http://www.prisonexp.org...

when liberal college students were told to act like prison guards they became abusive jerks? i bet if they did another study and told rednecks to act like college students the rednecks would do a bunch of drugs and have gay orgies. would this accurately represent the college experience? for most people probably not. it represents the participating persons biases, nothing else.

The stanford prison experiment was an example of the banality of evil and how changing a person's environment and status artificially can deeply affect their personality.

The students were separated into guards and inmates. The results of the experiment would have been similar no matter who you put into the experiment.

The reason college students are good sample is that, from a more "rationalist" perspective, a better-educated person should be more cognizant of "moral choices."

If the experiment were done on people with high-school education. The general comment would be "oh, they just took a buncha low-class morons and tricked them. Of course it worked."

By converting university students, Zimbardo showed that not even the great bastion of liberal education can stop the banality of evil.
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11/3/2011 9:01:28 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/1/2011 5:32:29 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
It's as simple as it says on the tin. For me, it is the stanford prisoner experiment:

http://www.prisonexp.org...

Junko furuta incidence, however, made me question humanity. If humans can inflict that level of torture and procure enjoyment out of it, i actually dont have words to say how deeply disgusted that makes me feel.
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11/3/2011 9:08:19 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I can't say I have much faith in humanity now, once you accept the true nature of mankind your expectations are so low.

Though we can be easily manipulated to be fascists and murderers we at least are not normally in that state. Yea I know.
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11/3/2011 10:23:45 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/1/2011 6:36:53 PM, sadolite wrote:
What I..

Surprising that the rest of you did not think of incidents in your life.
We also do not tend to think of incidents in which we were the culprit. I think its a defense mechanism. It may also be because we choose to do those things that we see are most appropriate, we would only see our act as wrong if our moral system was to change or if we attributed it to a brain fart.
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11/3/2011 11:21:08 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
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11/3/2011 12:15:48 PM
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At 11/1/2011 7:26:25 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/1/2011 7:16:05 PM, kogline wrote:
At 11/1/2011 5:32:29 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
It's as simple as it says on the tin. For me, it is the stanford prisoner experiment:

http://www.prisonexp.org...

when liberal college students were told to act like prison guards they became abusive jerks? i bet if they did another study and told rednecks to act like college students the rednecks would do a bunch of drugs and have gay orgies. would this accurately represent the college experience? for most people probably not. it represents the participating persons biases, nothing else.

The stanford prison experiment was an example of the banality of evil and how changing a person's environment and status artificially can deeply affect their personality.

The students were separated into guards and inmates. The results of the experiment would have been similar no matter who you put into the experiment.:
The reason college students are good sample is that, from a more "rationalist" perspective, a better-educated person should be more cognizant of "moral choices."

If the experiment were done on people with high-school education. The general comment would be "oh, they just took a buncha low-class morons and tricked them. Of course it worked."

By converting university students, Zimbardo showed that not even the great bastion of liberal education can stop the banality of evil.

i disagree. I think that the college students have an inherent bias against correctional faculty and that this was what lead them to be overly cruel. i'm not even necessarily claiming that the results of this study are wrong, just that they should not even be considered because they were produced in a flawed study.
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11/3/2011 12:33:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
"Some said that the study was too deterministic: reports described significant differences in the cruelty of the guards, the worst of whom came to be nicknamed John Wayne. (This guard alleges he started the escalation of events between guards and prisoners after he began to emulate a character from the Paul Newman film Cool Hand Luke. He further intensified his actions because he was nicknamed "John Wayne", even though he was trying to mimic actor Strother Martin, who had played the role of the sadistic Captain in the movie.[11]) Most of the other guards were kinder and often did favors for prisoners.[citation needed]"

this paragraph from wikipedia does a good job of showing what i was trying to say in earlier posts. the worst one openly admits to roleplaying a sadist from a movie.

and something else to consider, what if instead of this "experiment" they gave these people actual jobs in a correctional facility? do you believe they still would have done these things?
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11/3/2011 4:43:55 PM
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"Faith in humanity" is a complete statement.

Faith in humanity what?

You might as well say,

"Eating onions is bad". Bad for what?

Moral philosophy can be so absurd at times.
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11/4/2011 1:59:52 PM
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At 11/3/2011 4:43:55 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
"Faith in humanity" is a complete statement.

Faith in humanity what?


You might as well say,

"Eating onions is bad". Bad for what?

Moral philosophy can be so absurd at times.

Faith in humanity as in faith that humanity will prevail. Faith that humanity is still a trait possessed by the majority a few years down the line.
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11/4/2011 3:07:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Nothing that humanity ever does will remove my faith from it.

I'm part of humanity, and a lack of faith in humanity will indicate a lack of faith in myself :)
You will say that I don't really know you
And it will be true.
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11/4/2011 3:13:35 PM
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At 11/4/2011 1:59:52 PM, gerrandesquire wrote:
At 11/3/2011 4:43:55 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
"Faith in humanity" is a complete statement.

Faith in humanity what?


You might as well say,

"Eating onions is bad". Bad for what?

Moral philosophy can be so absurd at times.

Faith in humanity as in faith that humanity will prevail. Faith that humanity is still a trait possessed by the majority a few years down the line.

Prevail at what?
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11/4/2011 4:35:07 PM
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At 11/4/2011 3:13:35 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 11/4/2011 1:59:52 PM, gerrandesquire wrote:
At 11/3/2011 4:43:55 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
"Faith in humanity" is a complete statement.

Faith in humanity what?


You might as well say,

"Eating onions is bad". Bad for what?

Moral philosophy can be so absurd at times.

Faith in humanity as in faith that humanity will prevail. Faith that humanity is still a trait possessed by the majority a few years down the line.

Prevail at what?

Living, and having the same standard of living as the present.
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11/4/2011 4:36:20 PM
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Oh what removes my faith in humanity is that the occupy wall street movement is viewed more favorably the tea party.
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11/4/2011 4:45:27 PM
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8/3/2013 4:14:51 PM
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At 11/4/2011 4:36:20 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Oh what removes my faith in humanity is that the occupy wall street movement is viewed more favorably the tea party.

Seriously, that's it?
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8/3/2013 4:55:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/1/2011 5:32:29 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
It's as simple as it says on the tin. For me, it is the stanford prisoner experiment:

http://www.prisonexp.org...

And yet you're such a control freak yourself. I wouldn't succumb to such a thing not having grown up such a fearful little creature.
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8/3/2013 5:10:29 PM
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At 8/3/2013 4:14:51 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 11/4/2011 4:36:20 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Oh what removes my faith in humanity is that the occupy wall street movement is viewed more favorably the tea party.

Seriously, that's it?

It's one of them.
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