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Lordknukle
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11/12/2011 12:49:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Wherever I go to find information on this topic, I am faced with a constant onslaught of "Nazi" and "awful practice". But lets take that out of the equation for now.

Is Eugenics bad?

Eugenics is simply the sterilization of those people who have undesirable inheritable traits such as diseases, deformations, or other things.

I am definitely against Eugenics for a whole race (like the Nazis did), but Eugenics for selective inheritable diseases is a plausible theory.

Thoughts?
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11/12/2011 12:54:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/12/2011 12:49:01 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Wherever I go to find information on this topic, I am faced with a constant onslaught of "Nazi" and "awful practice". But lets take that out of the equation for now.

Is Eugenics bad?

Eugenics is simply the sterilization of those people who have undesirable inheritable traits such as diseases, deformations, or other things.

I am definitely against Eugenics for a whole race (like the Nazis did), but Eugenics for selective inheritable diseases is a plausible theory.

Thoughts?

Who would be the final arbiter of which traits are undesirable?
Lordknukle
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11/12/2011 1:05:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/12/2011 12:54:03 PM, Chthonian wrote:
At 11/12/2011 12:49:01 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Wherever I go to find information on this topic, I am faced with a constant onslaught of "Nazi" and "awful practice". But lets take that out of the equation for now.

Is Eugenics bad?

Eugenics is simply the sterilization of those people who have undesirable inheritable traits such as diseases, deformations, or other things.

I am definitely against Eugenics for a whole race (like the Nazis did), but Eugenics for selective inheritable diseases is a plausible theory.

Thoughts?

Who would be the final arbiter of which traits are undesirable?

Any significant inheritable diseases
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
Lordknukle
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11/12/2011 1:05:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
But first there has to be scientific evidence and research to show that the diseases are in fact highly inheritable.
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11/12/2011 1:19:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
The worth of someone's life does not diminish when he has some inheritable disease. Human intervention to ensure Darwin's theory is not the right way to go about it. It should be limited to trying to find a way to eradicate the disease, vaccination programmes, research, etc.

Bottom line, no one has the right to decide whether the other person should live or not.
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11/12/2011 1:22:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/12/2011 12:54:03 PM, Chthonian wrote:
At 11/12/2011 12:49:01 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Wherever I go to find information on this topic, I am faced with a constant onslaught of "Nazi" and "awful practice". But lets take that out of the equation for now.

Is Eugenics bad?

Eugenics is simply the sterilization of those people who have undesirable inheritable traits such as diseases, deformations, or other things.

I am definitely against Eugenics for a whole race (like the Nazis did), but Eugenics for selective inheritable diseases is a plausible theory.

Thoughts?

Who would be the final arbiter of which traits are undesirable?

Me, duh. Problem solved.
Chthonian
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11/12/2011 1:53:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/12/2011 1:05:20 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/12/2011 12:54:03 PM, Chthonian wrote:
At 11/12/2011 12:49:01 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Wherever I go to find information on this topic, I am faced with a constant onslaught of "Nazi" and "awful practice". But lets take that out of the equation for now.

Is Eugenics bad?

Eugenics is simply the sterilization of those people who have undesirable inheritable traits such as diseases, deformations, or other things.

I am definitely against Eugenics for a whole race (like the Nazis did), but Eugenics for selective inheritable diseases is a plausible theory.

Thoughts?

Who would be the final arbiter of which traits are undesirable?

Any significant inheritable diseases

What would be done with people who are just carriers of the genes that can cause diseases, would they be sterilized as well? Also, what is the threshold that makes a disease "significant"? With some inheritable diseases, it can't predict how debilitating it is going to be. Would they all be sterilized just to be safe?
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11/12/2011 1:57:46 PM
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At 11/12/2011 1:53:42 PM, Chthonian wrote:
At 11/12/2011 1:05:20 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/12/2011 12:54:03 PM, Chthonian wrote:
At 11/12/2011 12:49:01 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Wherever I go to find information on this topic, I am faced with a constant onslaught of "Nazi" and "awful practice". But lets take that out of the equation for now.

Is Eugenics bad?

Eugenics is simply the sterilization of those people who have undesirable inheritable traits such as diseases, deformations, or other things.

I am definitely against Eugenics for a whole race (like the Nazis did), but Eugenics for selective inheritable diseases is a plausible theory.

Thoughts?

Who would be the final arbiter of which traits are undesirable?

Any significant inheritable diseases

What would be done with people who are just carriers of the genes that can cause diseases, would they be sterilized as well? Also, what is the threshold that makes a disease "significant"? With some inheritable diseases, it can't predict how debilitating it is going to be. Would they all be sterilized just to be safe?

You ask too many questions. I be sterlizin' ya bro.
Lordknukle
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11/12/2011 2:04:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/12/2011 1:19:16 PM, gerrandesquire wrote:
The worth of someone's life does not diminish when he has some inheritable disease. Human intervention to ensure Darwin's theory is not the right way to go about it. It should be limited to trying to find a way to eradicate the disease, vaccination programmes, research, etc.

Bottom line, no one has the right to decide whether the other person should live or not.

The thing with Eugenics is that you are not killing anybody. You are merely preventing somebody from being born by not allowing fertilization.
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Chthonian
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11/12/2011 2:08:32 PM
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At 11/12/2011 1:57:46 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 11/12/2011 1:53:42 PM, Chthonian wrote:
At 11/12/2011 1:05:20 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/12/2011 12:54:03 PM, Chthonian wrote:
At 11/12/2011 12:49:01 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Wherever I go to find information on this topic, I am faced with a constant onslaught of "Nazi" and "awful practice". But lets take that out of the equation for now.

Is Eugenics bad?

Eugenics is simply the sterilization of those people who have undesirable inheritable traits such as diseases, deformations, or other things.

I am definitely against Eugenics for a whole race (like the Nazis did), but Eugenics for selective inheritable diseases is a plausible theory.

Thoughts?

Who would be the final arbiter of which traits are undesirable?

Any significant inheritable diseases

What would be done with people who are just carriers of the genes that can cause diseases, would they be sterilized as well? Also, what is the threshold that makes a disease "significant"? With some inheritable diseases, it can't predict how debilitating it is going to be. Would they all be sterilized just to be safe?

You ask too many questions. I be sterlizin' ya bro.

Well since I now know the sterilization will be performed capriciously and arbitrarily, I am forced to establish a competing faction; and so the Eugenics wars begin….
SuperRobotWars
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11/12/2011 3:01:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Genetic modification seems like a better option.
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
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: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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11/12/2011 3:28:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/12/2011 1:05:59 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
But first there has to be scientific evidence and research to show that the diseases are in fact highly inheritable.

Such as bipolar disorder? Dwarfism? Bad eyesight? Retardation? Neoconservativism?
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11/12/2011 4:21:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/12/2011 3:28:45 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/12/2011 1:05:59 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
But first there has to be scientific evidence and research to show that the diseases are in fact highly inheritable.

Such as bipolar disorder? Dwarfism? Bad eyesight? Retardation? Neoconservativism?

No, ugly. Clearly all ugly females must be exterminated as well as all males who are not me for it is my duty as the male with the best genes in the universe to give my superior genes to the most qualified females.
Minister Of Trolling
: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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11/12/2011 5:37:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/12/2011 3:28:45 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/12/2011 1:05:59 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
But first there has to be scientific evidence and research to show that the diseases are in fact highly inheritable.

Such as bipolar disorder? Dwarfism? Bad eyesight? Retardation? Neoconservativism?

Socialism? Egalitarianism? Leftism? Statism?
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11/12/2011 5:43:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/12/2011 5:37:44 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 11/12/2011 3:28:45 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 11/12/2011 1:05:59 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
But first there has to be scientific evidence and research to show that the diseases are in fact highly inheritable.

Such as bipolar disorder? Dwarfism? Bad eyesight? Retardation? Neoconservativism?

Socialism? Egalitarianism? Leftism? Statism?

How about plain ignorance or stupidity? health?
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Lordknukle
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11/12/2011 5:52:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
It is clear what I mean.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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11/12/2011 6:03:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/12/2011 5:52:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
It is clear what I mean.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Many of the disease listed there are not based on inheritance. Genetic disorders as a result of chromosome abnormality are not based on inheritance but chance, even though it is a genetic disorder.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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11/12/2011 6:05:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Also eugenenics is kind of reinforced by natural order and not government. You see, people tend not to fvck guys or girls with genetic disorders.
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11/12/2011 6:20:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/12/2011 6:05:45 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Also eugenenics is kind of reinforced by natural order and not government. You see, people tend not to fvck guys or girls with genetic disorders.

Speak for yourself
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Lordknukle
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11/12/2011 6:29:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/12/2011 6:03:37 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 11/12/2011 5:52:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
It is clear what I mean.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Many of the disease listed there are not based on inheritance. Genetic disorders as a result of chromosome abnormality are not based on inheritance but chance, even though it is a genetic disorder.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

my mistake.
I meant to post the inheritable diseases link.
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11/12/2011 6:31:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/12/2011 6:05:45 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Also eugenenics is kind of reinforced by natural order and not government. You see, people tend not to fvck guys or girls with genetic disorders.

Very true, just by doctors giving pregnant women pre-natal tests they can determine certain genetic diseases and I know the down syndrome population is going to shrink substantially just due to the immense amount of abortions being given.
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11/12/2011 10:13:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/12/2011 1:05:20 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/12/2011 12:54:03 PM, Chthonian wrote:
At 11/12/2011 12:49:01 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Wherever I go to find information on this topic, I am faced with a constant onslaught of "Nazi" and "awful practice". But lets take that out of the equation for now.

Is Eugenics bad?

Eugenics is simply the sterilization of those people who have undesirable inheritable traits such as diseases, deformations, or other things.

I am definitely against Eugenics for a whole race (like the Nazis did), but Eugenics for selective inheritable diseases is a plausible theory.

Thoughts?

Who would be the final arbiter of which traits are undesirable?

Any significant inheritable diseases

I'm pretty sure this is a rather significant proportion of the world population.