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Kowloon Walled City--Proof for Anarchy?

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12/29/2011 4:11:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
After WWII, an area near Hong Kong that was taken back from Japan by China was invaded with Chinese squatters. When the British attempted to clear the area, they failed. After this, both China and Britain adapted a hands off policy on the area--pretty much taking away all governmental intervention. Thus, Kowloon Walled City was born.

While initially it was infested with crime, it actually came to grow, and thrive. Businesses that weren't taxed at all began to pop up. People actually lived peaceful lives within the city. The people even made their own electrical and water grids for themselves. And this was all the while in a state of almost total anarchy. In fact, the only reason the City filed was because China decided to come in and demolish the area in 1987.

What do you think? Is the thriving of Kowloon Walled City evidence that anarchy is a viable society type?
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12/29/2011 4:45:23 PM
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What do you think? Is the thriving of Kowloon Walled City evidence that anarchy is a viable society type?:

Not anymore than an Israeli Kibbutz is evidence of socialism being viable. The problem comes with extrapolating it. Just because something can work for several hundred people doesn't mean that it's going to work for several million people.
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12/29/2011 4:50:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/29/2011 4:45:23 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:

What do you think? Is the thriving of Kowloon Walled City evidence that anarchy is a viable society type?:

Not anymore than an Israeli Kibbutz is evidence of socialism being viable. The problem comes with extrapolating it. Just because something can work for several hundred people doesn't mean that it's going to work for several million people.

It was actually about 35,000.
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12/29/2011 5:01:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/29/2011 4:50:04 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 12/29/2011 4:45:23 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:

What do you think? Is the thriving of Kowloon Walled City evidence that anarchy is a viable society type?:

Not anymore than an Israeli Kibbutz is evidence of socialism being viable. The problem comes with extrapolating it. Just because something can work for several hundred people doesn't mean that it's going to work for several million people.

It was actually about 35,000.:

According to the Wikipedia article, it sounded like a disaster. Where is the affluence you speak of?

"Beginning in the 1950s, Triad groups such as the 14K and Sun Yee On gained a stranglehold on the Walled City's countless brothels, gambling parlors, and opium dens. The Walled City had become such a haven for criminals that police would venture into it only in large groups. It was not until 1973–74, when a series of more than 3,500 police raids resulted in over 2,500 arrests and over 4,000 pounds of seized drugs, that the Triads' power began to wane. With public support, particularly from younger residents, the continued raids gradually eroded drug use and violent crime. In 1983, the police commander of the Kowloon City District declared the Walled City's crime rate to be under control... Over time, both the British and the Chinese governments found the City to be increasingly intolerable, despite the low reported crime rate. The quality of life in the City—sanitary conditions in particular—was far behind the rest of Hong Kong. The Sino-British Joint Declaration in 1984 laid the groundwork for the City's demolition."
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12/29/2011 5:05:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Well. This is awkward. I read about it on Cracked. It had a more positive spin.
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12/29/2011 6:11:26 PM
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To me the definition of anarchy is a state where you have to constantly protect everything you have from others who want your stuff. Anarchy means no law, no authority. That sounds awful and the article on wikipedia kind of reflects this more than Cracked obviously did...
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12/29/2011 6:14:52 PM
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With no government enforcement from the Chinese or the British save for a few raids by the Hong Kong Police, the Walled City became a haven for crime and drugs. It was only during a 1959 trial for a murder that occurred within the Walled City that the Hong Kong government was ruled to have jurisdiction there. By this time, however, the Walled City was virtually ruled by the organized crime syndicates known as Triads.

It became infested with crime and drugs and ended up being run by mob basically. So there was a government: crime syndicates. Anarchy theory busted.

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12/29/2011 6:20:23 PM
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At 12/29/2011 6:11:26 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
To me the definition of anarchy is a state where you have to constantly protect everything you have from others who want your stuff. Anarchy means no law, no authority. That sounds awful and the article on wikipedia kind of reflects this more than Cracked obviously did...

Actually, no. The anarchistic school of thought is specific to the State.
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12/29/2011 6:37:50 PM
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It became infested with crime and drugs and ended up being run by mob basically. So there was a government: crime syndicates. Anarchy theory busted.:

No, not necessarily. The point is that these anecdotes prove very little in either direction, was my point.
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