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1/27/2012 12:17:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Some number of years ago, when GOP jihadists who are perennially waging a political and culture war to "take back America" had just taken control of Congress, Newt Gingrich, who apparently was trying to cast himself and his conservative cohorts as rebels, said that we were witnessing a "second Civil War" (Newt the historian seems to have forgotten that the rebels in the first Civil War were the bad guys and that they didn't fare too well). This apt characterization of the conservative movement as embarked on a "second Civil War" is about the only statement to ever emerge from the otherwise lying lips of Mr. Gingrich that I agree with. Let me elaborate.

Once upon a time in American history the people of the Southern states of the country we're exceedingly unhappy that the industrial North was exercising more economic and political clout than they were capable of mustering. Those progressive damned Yankees were perceived and painted by down-home proto-teabaggers and the plantation owners who molded public opinion as enemies of liberty ("liberty" of course being perversely reconceptualized as the right of slave owners to deny their African servants the status of free men and women) and of a traditional way of life.

Now then, the disgruntled demos of Dixie finally got to the point that they couldn't even tolerate being a part of the Union anymore, for that would mean compromising with what today would be called "liberal" Northerners. And of course compromise entails making concessions, i.e. not having everything one's way. But, unbecomingly, Southern stalwarts of state's rights rode (in their own minds, at any rate) a political and moral high horse that trod underfoot lesser ethical issues such as whether or not black people were people and were being done heinously wrong by being enslaved. No, from their self-righteous vantage point atop their militantly moralistic mount they could see absolutely no good reason why they shouldn't have everything their own way.

And so the cognitive patterns of Southern leaders and just plain folks devolved into a totalistic, All-right-is-on-our-side, Our-way-or-we'll-hit-the-highway-to-secession mentality. Ordinarily this would be called a black and white mentality with no shades of gray allowed. However, given the color adopted by the Confederate military for its uniforms, perhaps it's more apt to say that in this instance the minds of the South's politically schismatic masses veered into a gray psychological area; one in which a defensiveness about the dark side of Southern society (namely of course an economy based on slave labor) blended with a white hot antagonism to them there "liberal" Northerners treading upon state's rights; producing a bleakly ultimatumy mind-set – i.e. a mad-as-hell-and-not-going-to-take-it-anymore-if-we-don't-get-our-way-100% mind-set whose only prospects were the dismal ones of secession and a tragic civil war.

Well, what's the point of this extended historical excursion? Let me answer that in the form of a question, do you see any psychological similarity between the We-have-all-right-on-our-side-and-will-make-no-conciliatory-compromises mentality of Confederates and the equally unyielding and unreasoning mental disposition of modern conservatives?

If you're a conservative your answer is of course quite probably no. But there arguably is indeed a distinct family resemblance between the Confederate mentality (which certainly could be characterized in contemporary political terminology as "conservative) and the ideologically totalistic, intransigent, intolerant, irked state of mind of the typical tea-partying Republican of red-state America. Both mentalities seem to fall into the same abovementioned bleakly gray area.

How so? Well, for one thing, on the doctrinaire right these days candidates must pass every, and I mean every litmus test to be deemed halfway acceptable to the mental signatories of the Contract From America. Ask Mitt Romney?! You would think that as a former vulture capitalist he'd be in pretty good standing with his plutocrat-supported party, but over the years he hasn't been enough of an ideological purist to suit his fellow conservatives who can't even abide acknowledging him as one of their own. Then of course there's the evangelical wing of the GOP (God's Own Party, as they would have it) whose confessional litmus test certainly will never be satisfied by a Mormon and who therefore rejects him for that theologically prejudiced reason alone, despite the fact that he and his fellow Mormons share their conservative "family values". And so far I'm only talking intraparty! When it comes to its contentious conversation with what it considers to be "lefties", or its anti-Obama monomania, well, the conservative movement's reactionary, die-hard, dogmatic zeitgeist graduates to a league of looniness, of bonkers factiousness that's truly astounding. It's indeed possible to see shades of Confederate gray in such a mentality, especially since so many conservatives are good ole Southern boys and girls. Funny that coincidence.

Alas, mutatis mutandis, it's precisely the same bigoted & bumptious binaric brain hard-on of the conservative camp for reducing its options to receiving an unconditional surrender of the moral and realpolitikal high ground on all of its core issues; or else going to war (thus far only figuratively speaking this time) with a too-progressive-for-its-liking president – which I'll point out again in1861led to actual open and armed hostilities – that we're up against once again today in the form of the "resurgent right".

Mm-hmm, moderates and wannabe bridge-builders on the starboard side of the spectrum can fuhgetaboutit. They can fuhgetabout even getting elected dog catcher. To appease our modern mental Confederates in what used to be Mr. Lincoln's party, to receive the warm embrace of the new warpath-stomping winger voter on election day you must be a remorselessly full-out free-marketarian; an unequivocal Obama opponent who reviles him as a cross between the second coming of Stalin and a Machiavellian Muslim mole bent on converting a free Christian nation into a demon-o-cratic dictatorship; an avid amateur Bible scholar, not a secularist or some other out-grouper such as a Latter-day Saint; hetero (and preferably macho), not homo; an anti-abortion absolutist who isn't even willing to allow a woman who was impregnated as a result of an act of rape to have legal access to a medical procedure to terminate her pregnancy; a Second Amendment ultraist who won't countenance not being allowed to own an Uzi; someone who's so thoroughly pro-death penalty that you'd like to replace the electric chair with electric bleachers; an unreconstructed anti-immigrationist, etc. You can see how it is that the term "moderate Republican" has become a veritable oxymoronic, like "compassionate conservative". The mentality of the Confederacy has indeed risen again, in the ranks and the guise of the Tea Party.

This degeneration of conservatism into the political fold of fundamentalists, of both the free-marketarian and religious variety, was quite predictable of course. The seeds of ideological totalism; hard-linerism; obstinacy; and rejectionism, of modernity itself, have all been present in conservative psychology all along. These tendencies are simply flapping the far right's freak flag a good deal more stridently in everyone's face nowadays.

The conclusion is located directly below
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1/27/2012 12:18:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Conclusion

But why, what's brought the negative elements in the winger's mentality to the fore in such a pronounced fashion? Essentially, the aggrieving self-image of being victims, of being the virtuous victims of those lousy "liberals". This of course helps explain why conservatives tend to perceive genuine oppressed groups (such as gays and minorities) as whiny victims, they're quite simply projecting. And it explains the unwarranted p*ssed-offness, pettiness, and partisanship characteristic of contemporary conservatives.

The same false and resentful sense of having been tread upon by progressive blue-staters (Yankee blue-staters, as it were, back then) that led to the rebelliousness of the South has turned present-day conservatives into implacable Obamacare oppositionists, so to speak, and brought us to a sorry state of ideological internecine conflict in modern American politics. That is, a vexed and stalemated state of political affairs has been produced by subjective conservative grievances and grudgefulness stemming from the three Ps, psychodynamics, philosophy, and propaganda, not from objective socioeconomic reality.

Quite pathetically, conservatism today amounts to the politicized cognitive orientation of disgruntled folks whose disgruntlement is seriously misdirected, misdirected at government and Obama, rather than being discerningly focused upon the capitalist substructure of our system, a substructure upon which Obama is a mere pimple; at straw-man "liberals"; at their unemployed and foreclosed-upon neighbors; at blacks, immigrants, and gays, i.e. at any handy scapegoatable other; and at foreign enemies. Not so long ago conservatives had commies on their bothered brains, today they have socialists, secularists, and Muslims (all of which Obama represents in their muddled and misinformed thinking!), and the recession has gone and kicked their disgruntlement and anxiety and stridency into overdrive, causing them to out the psychological truth cloaked behind their politics and moralism.

Yes, conservatives, it's becoming increasingly obvious that your fear that progressives on the left have a conspiratorial, crypto-totalitarian agenda to take away your traditional and cherished American liberties; that your anxious concern that a government empowered to regulate big business is going to regiment your lives; that your susceptibility to scaremongering about Barack Obama being Damien from The Omen all grown up; that all of this festering fear, fretfulness, and fraught fantasy is a product of puerile paranoia, a manifestation of infantile ideological mass hysteria. That is, it's the same kind of childish conservative crazy, the same tantrumy terrible-twoism of the right that once upon a time plunged the country into civil war, and that today is plunging it in a "culture war"; and putting ordinary working citizens on the wrong side of the "class war" against oligarchic corporate CEOs. Grow up and get a grip conservatives!

Or don't. It's your prerogative, of course, to remain dittohead dupes and Ron-Paulist patsies of America's plutocratic capitalism; punked from cradle to grave, recession to recession by the Wall Street elite that conservatives advocate for. It's entirely your choice.

So, to recap, have you ever seen one of those coin sets that consist of a Lincoln penny and a Kennedy half dollar inset in a card printed with a list of the uncanny particulars the two assassinated prezzes have in common? Likewise, 21st century conservatives and 19th century Confederates share some eerie similarities. They both fancy themselves rebels, but they're both rebels with an unrighteous cause. Nonetheless they both have the same militant and unconstructive mentality of having right on their side and of being above compromise and willing to go to war. They're of course both decidedly anti-progressive. The Confederates hated a president they believed to be bent on freeing the South's black slaves, conservatives hate a black president they believe to be bent on fettering our capitalist masters with government regulation. Confederates opposed progress on the race question of their day, as do conservatives on contemporary racial issues. Confederates were backward Southerners, as are many conservatives. Etc. Which all drives home the fact that today's conservative movement is just another hurrah for the same backward and benighted mentality that once gave us the Confederacy and this country's bloodiest war. Let us hope, therefore, that the ongoing folly of the Republican primaries is the beginning of conservatism's implosion.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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1/27/2012 1:12:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 12:22:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
George Orwell wrote a fantastic essay called The Politics of the English Language. You definitely need to read it.

Thank you for the implied constructive criticism of my self-expression. However, I've already (quite some time ago) read Orwell's classic essay on writing and the state of the English language and have no intention of treating his rules as holy writ, i.e. I prefer my own idiosyncratic idiom. Now then, since you've seen fit to offer an implied judgment on my writing I can assume that you actually read the entire OP and so I'd be interested to learn your thoughts on the actual topic – especially since I see in your profile that you're a "communist", although I have no attachment to that label I could certainly be considered a "communist" myself and always hope for intelligent comments from my fellow travelers, so if you have any feedback on my thesis please share.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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1/27/2012 2:03:10 AM
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Oh yeah, I suppose that I should again say pardon my prolixity.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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1/27/2012 6:59:58 AM
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Charlesb is back! Glad to have you back here on DDO. Always bringing well thought out insights to the table!
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1/27/2012 3:34:44 PM
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At 1/27/2012 6:59:58 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Charlesb is back! Glad to have you back here on DDO. Always bringing well thought out insights to the table!

Thank you. Now perhaps you might like to remove your tongue from your cheek and share your thoughts on the topic of the post?
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1/27/2012 3:52:10 PM
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Confederates were backward Southerners, as are many conservatives.:

So all Confederates and all conservatives are intollerant, racist demagogues, and if we only would jack off to your communist luminaries we'd all see the light.

Got it. Brilliant.

It's so refreshing to see you regurgitating the same vitriolic rhetoric in short and concise 7,000 + character messages over and over again. With you it's like the first time all over again! :)

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1/27/2012 4:01:28 PM
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At 1/27/2012 3:52:10 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Confederates were backward Southerners, as are many conservatives.:

So all Confederates and all conservatives are intollerant, racist demagogues, and

Oh give me a break. No racists are liberal,...I have never seen one or heard of one in modern times. Much of the conservative ideology is derived from undertones of intolerance and inherent elitism. If there is a racist, he is 99% likely right wing.

Not all conservatives are racist obviously, but most racists are conservative/right wing. There is an undeniable correlation between the sentiment that fuels racist tendencies and the sentiment on which right wing ideologies are founded. You always try to brush it off, but really, no one buys it.
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1/27/2012 4:28:00 PM
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At 1/27/2012 4:01:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/27/2012 3:52:10 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Confederates were backward Southerners, as are many conservatives.:

So all Confederates and all conservatives are intollerant, racist demagogues, and

Oh give me a break. No racists are liberal,...I have never seen one or heard of one in modern times. Much of the conservative ideology is derived from undertones of intolerance and inherent elitism. If there is a racist, he is 99% likely right wing.

I actually agree with you on this part.

Not all conservatives are racist obviously, but most racists are conservative/right wing. There is an undeniable correlation between the sentiment that fuels racist tendencies and the sentiment on which right wing ideologies are founded. You always try to brush it off, but really, no one buys it.

That depends. You see a lot of "conservatives" who only advocate the status quo/the past, which obviously leads to Racism (since it is a thing of the past). See I dont really see it as conserativism leading to racism, as much as the conservative mindset making one more likely to go down that path. Does that make sense?
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1/27/2012 4:59:09 PM
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At 1/27/2012 4:01:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/27/2012 3:52:10 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Confederates were backward Southerners, as are many conservatives.:

So all Confederates and all conservatives are intollerant, racist demagogues, and

Oh give me a break. No racists are liberal,...I have never seen one or heard of one in modern times. Much of the conservative ideology is derived from undertones of intolerance and inherent elitism. If there is a racist, he is 99% likely right wing.

Not all conservatives are racist obviously, but most racists are conservative/right wing. There is an undeniable correlation between the sentiment that fuels racist tendencies and the sentiment on which right wing ideologies are founded. You always try to brush it off, but really, no one buys it.

You weren't on DDO during the time, but Justin_Tiel was a liberal (well more of a communist) and was very racist and homophobic.
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1/27/2012 5:28:37 PM
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Wow. First Charles post I actually read all the way through. Although some points were rather extreme (begging the question in many cases), I feel that it did hit the major nail on the head: conservatives haven't learned. They want to move back when we move forward. I just can't wrap my head around that fact. The majority of conservative beliefs are all built up on cowardice. I say, grow up and realize that we live in the real world, and not an idyllic fantasy land.
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1/27/2012 11:55:45 PM
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At 1/27/2012 3:52:10 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:

So all Confederates and all conservatives are intollerant, racist demagogues, ...

Firstly, you probably only read the title and skimmed the body of the post, I'd wager that you almost certainly didn't thoroughly read the entire OP. Secondly, you can disparage and deride my thesis, but that isn't at all the same thing as effectively refuting it. Thirdly, I maintain that today's conservative mentality shares much in common with the benighted hard-line mentality of 19th century Confederates, but rather than rehash I'll merely refer you back to the OP, which, again, you probably didn't even read before posting your comments.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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1/27/2012 11:57:50 PM
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At 1/27/2012 4:01:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
... Much of the conservative ideology is derived from undertones of intolerance and inherent elitism. If there is a racist, he is 99% likely right wing.

Not all conservatives are racist obviously, but most racists are conservative/right wing. There is an undeniable correlation between the sentiment that fuels racist tendencies and the sentiment on which right wing ideologies are founded. You always try to brush it off, but really, no one buys it.

Excellent points, thank you.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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1/28/2012 12:03:44 AM
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At 1/27/2012 5:28:37 PM, M.Torres wrote:
Wow. First Charles post I actually read all the way through. Although some points were rather extreme (begging the question in many cases), I feel that it did hit the major nail on the head: conservatives haven't learned. They want to move back when we move forward. I just can't wrap my head around that fact. The majority of conservative beliefs are all built up on cowardice. I say, grow up and realize that we live in the real world, and not an idyllic fantasy land.

I'm sincerely happy that you read the entire OP and found some value in it. Also, thank you for contributing some comments that make the fundamental point of my post in a quite succinct fashion.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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1/28/2012 12:40:44 AM
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At 1/27/2012 4:01:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/27/2012 3:52:10 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Confederates were backward Southerners, as are many conservatives.:

So all Confederates and all conservatives are intollerant, racist demagogues, and

Oh give me a break. No racists are liberal,...I have never seen one or heard of one in modern times. Much of the conservative ideology is derived from undertones of intolerance and inherent elitism. If there is a racist, he is 99% likely right wing.

Not all conservatives are racist obviously, but most racists are conservative/right wing. There is an undeniable correlation between the sentiment that fuels racist tendencies and the sentiment on which right wing ideologies are founded. You always try to brush it off, but really, no one buys it.

Yeah that is not true. I know racist liberals. Although generally they are black people who hate white people.
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1/28/2012 1:15:22 AM
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At 1/28/2012 12:40:44 AM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 1/27/2012 4:01:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/27/2012 3:52:10 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Confederates were backward Southerners, as are many conservatives.:

So all Confederates and all conservatives are intollerant, racist demagogues, and

Oh give me a break. No racists are liberal,...I have never seen one or heard of one in modern times. Much of the conservative ideology is derived from undertones of intolerance and inherent elitism. If there is a racist, he is 99% likely right wing.

Not all conservatives are racist obviously, but most racists are conservative/right wing. There is an undeniable correlation between the sentiment that fuels racist tendencies and the sentiment on which right wing ideologies are founded. You always try to brush it off, but really, no one buys it.

Yeah that is not true. I know racist liberals. Although generally they are black people who hate white people.

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1/28/2012 1:19:06 AM
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At 1/28/2012 1:15:22 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 1/28/2012 12:40:44 AM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 1/27/2012 4:01:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/27/2012 3:52:10 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Confederates were backward Southerners, as are many conservatives.:

So all Confederates and all conservatives are intollerant, racist demagogues, and

Oh give me a break. No racists are liberal,...I have never seen one or heard of one in modern times. Much of the conservative ideology is derived from undertones of intolerance and inherent elitism. If there is a racist, he is 99% likely right wing.

Not all conservatives are racist obviously, but most racists are conservative/right wing. There is an undeniable correlation between the sentiment that fuels racist tendencies and the sentiment on which right wing ideologies are founded. You always try to brush it off, but really, no one buys it.

Yeah that is not true. I know racist liberals. Although generally they are black people who hate white people.

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1/28/2012 1:31:39 PM
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At 1/28/2012 12:40:44 AM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 1/27/2012 4:01:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/27/2012 3:52:10 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Confederates were backward Southerners, as are many conservatives.:

So all Confederates and all conservatives are intollerant, racist demagogues, and

Oh give me a break. No racists are liberal,...I have never seen one or heard of one in modern times. Much of the conservative ideology is derived from undertones of intolerance and inherent elitism. If there is a racist, he is 99% likely right wing.

Not all conservatives are racist obviously, but most racists are conservative/right wing. There is an undeniable correlation between the sentiment that fuels racist tendencies and the sentiment on which right wing ideologies are founded. You always try to brush it off, but really, no one buys it.

Yeah that is not true. I know racist liberals. Although generally they are black people who hate white people.

Or are they individuals of color who righteously resent the reality of their lot in our racially unjust socioeconomic system? But let's get off of race and conservative racism, that's not really what the OP is fundamentally about.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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1/28/2012 1:33:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Not to channel John Bradshaw, but conservatives are, in many cases, males whose inner child still poignantly angles to play the he-man. It does so by embracing the tough-minded and uncompassionate politics of the he-man; i.e., a hairy-chestedly Horatio Algerian stance of no compassion for the poor, no compassion for victims of foreclosure, no compassion for welfare moms, no compassion for immigrants, no compassion for prisoners, etc. Now then, this insecure conservative inner man-child can typically be childishly stubborn and disinclined to play well with others when it comes to working with serious grown-ups to solve society's complex and mounting socioeconomic problems. This, my conservative frienemies, is the real and fundamental point of the post. Comments?
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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1/28/2012 1:37:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/28/2012 12:40:44 AM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 1/27/2012 4:01:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/27/2012 3:52:10 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Confederates were backward Southerners, as are many conservatives.:

So all Confederates and all conservatives are intollerant, racist demagogues, and

Oh give me a break. No racists are liberal,...I have never seen one or heard of one in modern times. Much of the conservative ideology is derived from undertones of intolerance and inherent elitism. If there is a racist, he is 99% likely right wing.

Not all conservatives are racist obviously, but most racists are conservative/right wing. There is an undeniable correlation between the sentiment that fuels racist tendencies and the sentiment on which right wing ideologies are founded. You always try to brush it off, but really, no one buys it.

Yeah that is not true. I know racist liberals. Although generally they are black people who hate white people.

You have a point, and all racism of all kinds is inexcusable. However, I think its important to note that the derivation of racism among some African Americans probably originates from the injustices of history, whereas the racism of some Caucasians really has no foundation beyond elitist fantasies and cultural homogeneity.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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1/28/2012 1:48:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I am a minority. -1 conservative "confederate". Seriously that confederate part is odd, only applies to Texas as there is a wing of people wanting to seceded.
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1/28/2012 4:16:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/28/2012 1:48:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
I am a minority. -1 conservative "confederate". Seriously that confederate part is odd, only applies to Texas as there is a wing of people wanting to seceded.

Wanting to secede does not equate with being a confederate. If Texas was the only state to secede, then you wouldn't be able to call it a confederacy anyways. It would just be a state.
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
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1/28/2012 9:34:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
There is no difference between them until they get into gov't. There are only differences when they are private citizens. This can be seen in lifestyle choices. Once in govt, it just means more govt and more tyranny.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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1/29/2012 6:44:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/28/2012 4:16:02 PM, mongoose wrote:
At 1/28/2012 1:48:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
I am a minority. -1 conservative "confederate". Seriously that confederate part is odd, only applies to Texas as there is a wing of people wanting to seceded.

Wanting to secede does not equate with being a confederate. If Texas was the only state to secede, then you wouldn't be able to call it a confederacy anyways. It would just be a state.

Whoopee for you dear mongoose, you win this technical-trivial point of disagreement with 16kadams! Now would you perhaps like to weigh in with any substantive comments on the topic of the OP?
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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1/29/2012 7:29:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/29/2012 6:44:47 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 1/28/2012 4:16:02 PM, mongoose wrote:
At 1/28/2012 1:48:50 PM, 16kadams wrote:
I am a minority. -1 conservative "confederate". Seriously that confederate part is odd, only applies to Texas as there is a wing of people wanting to seceded.

Wanting to secede does not equate with being a confederate. If Texas was the only state to secede, then you wouldn't be able to call it a confederacy anyways. It would just be a state.

Whoopee for you dear mongoose, you win this technical-trivial point of disagreement with 16kadams! Now would you perhaps like to weigh in with any substantive comments on the topic of the OP?

Ok.

The answer to the question is no.
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
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1/29/2012 7:51:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Oh give me a break. No racists are liberal:
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1/29/2012 7:56:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 11:55:45 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 1/27/2012 3:52:10 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:

So all Confederates and all conservatives are intollerant, racist demagogues, ...


Firstly, you probably only read the title and skimmed the body of the post, I'd wager that you almost certainly didn't thoroughly read the entire OP. Secondly, you can disparage and deride my thesis, but that isn't at all the same thing as effectively refuting it. Thirdly, I maintain that today's conservative mentality shares much in common with the benighted hard-line mentality of 19th century Confederates, but rather than rehash I'll merely refer you back to the OP, which, again, you probably didn't even read before posting your comments.:

What is there to refute when you haven't supported the assertion to begin with? The onus is on you for the burden of proof.

Secondly, it's evidently hyperbole. You first create a false dichotomy where all Confederates act in a preconditioned way that suits your beliefs, then you to conservatives and lump them in with said precondition.

The fact that you don't have an objective bone in your body leaves you open to scorn and ridicule.
"Have you ever considered suicide? If not, please do." -- Mouthwash (to Inferno)