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Swear words and Pejorative terms.

CrazyPerson
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4/24/2012 12:18:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
How do you think it is, that pejorative terms such as 'n****r' or 'F**k' undergo a linguistic phenomena in which some societies adopt the term to be actually quite acceptable to the point of using it on a daily basis? Is it just an act of meaningless rebellion, or does it go deeper than that?
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4/24/2012 12:32:45 PM
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In the previous country I lived in, most people I knew thought sh!t to be a bad word, but in another part of the country Christians used it all the time and thought it was perfectly normal. Some of them were very surprised that we considered it a swear word. When you think about it, sh*t is just the same as poop, and therefore I don't see why it's a bad word, though it's a different matter with f**k because of the meaning of the word. I think it all comes down to how that word developes into the culture as well as on the meaning of the word and whether that culture is ok with that meaning.
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4/24/2012 12:33:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Still though, 'f**king' can be synonymous to 'having sex' - but how and why?
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4/24/2012 12:43:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/24/2012 12:33:56 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
Still though, 'f**king' can be synonymous to 'having sex' - but how and why?

Because that's kind of it's definition. There are two ways of using the word. One is just to express emotion. "f**K it!" The other way is way is with its proper meaning. "I'm guna F with you*. Those who give ratings to movies, such as Pg-13, or R, use this to determine how it's rated. The F word used in it's original tense is considered less appropriate than as it used just as an expression. Either way the meaning is always the same even if people don't always use it that way. I have no idea how it came about though.
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4/24/2012 2:26:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/24/2012 12:33:56 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
Still though, 'f**king' can be synonymous to 'having sex' - but how and why?:

Then why is the phrase 'having sex' not a "bad" word and f*ck is, when they are synonyms? It's stupid social conditioning and an Appeal to Tradition.
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4/24/2012 3:32:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/24/2012 2:26:43 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 4/24/2012 12:33:56 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
Still though, 'f**king' can be synonymous to 'having sex' - but how and why?:

Then why is the phrase 'having sex' not a "bad" word and f*ck is, when they are synonyms?
Dates from Norman conquest of England. French was a high-status language when the French ruled England, Old English was low status. When the languages mixed to become Middle English, the words that came to it through the French (usually with latin roots) remained those used by polite society.
Same reason "Vagina" is okay (latin for sheath), "C***" (Norse roots) is not.

Of course, medieval f***s weren't very polite. When the concept of politeness became more developed, however, it derived from the habits of the upper classes.
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4/24/2012 3:34:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/24/2012 3:32:59 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 4/24/2012 2:26:43 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 4/24/2012 12:33:56 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
Still though, 'f**king' can be synonymous to 'having sex' - but how and why?:

Then why is the phrase 'having sex' not a "bad" word and f*ck is, when they are synonyms?
Dates from Norman conquest of England. French was a high-status language when the French ruled England, Old English was low status. When the languages mixed to become Middle English, the words that came to it through the French (usually with latin roots) remained those used by polite society.
Same reason "Vagina" is okay (latin for sheath), "C***" (Norse roots) is not.

Of course, medieval f***s weren't very polite. When the concept of politeness became more developed, however, it derived from the habits of the upper classes.

My wish for 'someone who studies linguistics to chime in' has come true. Interesting..
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The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
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Kinesis
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4/24/2012 3:38:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Swear words are a sort of sectioned-off class of words that are reserved to use when the user wants to be offensive. Granted, they're used in different ways but I see that as their general purpose. They undergo a linguistic shift towards normality when people start to use them outside of their intended purpose - when they always use sh*t instead of poo or f*ck instead of sex, regardless of intended offensiveness. And then, presumably, new taboo words have to be invented.
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4/24/2012 3:38:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/24/2012 3:32:59 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 4/24/2012 2:26:43 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 4/24/2012 12:33:56 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
Still though, 'f**king' can be synonymous to 'having sex' - but how and why?:

Then why is the phrase 'having sex' not a "bad" word and f*ck is, when they are synonyms?
Dates from Norman conquest of England. French was a high-status language when the French ruled England, Old English was low status. When the languages mixed to become Middle English, the words that came to it through the French (usually with latin roots) remained those used by polite society.
Same reason "Vagina" is okay (latin for sheath), "C***" (Norse roots) is not.:

Pretty sure the word was an acronym in England, as in, F.U.C.K. (For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge) meaning intercourse that was not sanctioned by the King's approval.

Of course, medieval f***s weren't very polite. When the concept of politeness became more developed, however, it derived from the habits of the upper classes.;

Sounds about right... Uppity f*cks!!! :)
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4/24/2012 3:43:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/24/2012 3:38:39 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 4/24/2012 3:32:59 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 4/24/2012 2:26:43 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 4/24/2012 12:33:56 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
Still though, 'f**king' can be synonymous to 'having sex' - but how and why?:

Then why is the phrase 'having sex' not a "bad" word and f*ck is, when they are synonyms?
Dates from Norman conquest of England. French was a high-status language when the French ruled England, Old English was low status. When the languages mixed to become Middle English, the words that came to it through the French (usually with latin roots) remained those used by polite society.
Same reason "Vagina" is okay (latin for sheath), "C***" (Norse roots) is not.:

Pretty sure the word was an acronym in England, as in, F.U.C.K. (For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge) meaning intercourse that was not sanctioned by the King's approval.
Urban myth. It's also often "Fornication under consent of King."

http://www.etymonline.com...=

(You know what term to input there)

Various scandinavians would fukka you with their focks to get off their rocks.
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CrazyPerson
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4/24/2012 3:44:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
So vagina comes from latin roots meaning 'sheath' - i think given the new acceptance of homosexuality in our society, we might need a newer term. Something less specific than sheath or vagina, something more like 'the nursery' or 'the commons'.
But we try to pretend, you see, that the external world exists altogether independently of us.
- - - Watts
The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
- - - Watts
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4/24/2012 3:50:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/24/2012 3:44:35 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
So vagina comes from latin roots meaning 'sheath' - i think given the new acceptance of homosexuality in our society, we might need a newer term. Something less specific than sheath or vagina, something more like 'the nursery' or 'the commons'.

Lesbians ain't gonna nurse nothing. Besides, the uterus houses such things, the vagina is just a highway to and from.

As for commons, i c wut you did there.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.