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Is war just?

airmax1227
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4/28/2012 6:34:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/28/2012 6:23:15 PM, westernmarch wrote:
Is killing a man ever justified?

Short answer: Yes, with an If..

Long answer: No, with a But...

I'm sure someone can come up with a reason to justify anything.. especially killing someone who is a threat to someone else or to them.
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4/28/2012 6:38:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/28/2012 6:34:23 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 4/28/2012 6:23:15 PM, westernmarch wrote:
Is killing a man ever justified?

Short answer: Yes, with an If..

Long answer: No, with a But...

I'm sure someone can come up with a reason to justify anything.. especially killing someone who is a threat to someone else or to them.

I want to join the Navy but my family is like " You have been CORRUPTED" and "WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO KILL SOMEONE? WHAT IF THEY ARE INNOCENT?" etc etc.
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4/28/2012 6:48:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/28/2012 6:38:17 PM, westernmarch wrote:
At 4/28/2012 6:34:23 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 4/28/2012 6:23:15 PM, westernmarch wrote:
Is killing a man ever justified?

Short answer: Yes, with an If..

Long answer: No, with a But...

I'm sure someone can come up with a reason to justify anything.. especially killing someone who is a threat to someone else or to them.

I want to join the Navy but my family is like " You have been CORRUPTED" and "WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO KILL SOMEONE? WHAT IF THEY ARE INNOCENT?" etc etc.

You can what if til the cows come home.

I think it's safe to assume that if the Navy is attacking it, It's most likely not innocent.
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4/28/2012 6:56:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Only in defense.
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4/28/2012 7:03:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
War is a Racket.
"If you are a racist I will attack you with the north"- Abraham Lincoln

"Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material" - Leviticus 19 19

"War is a racket" - Smedley Butler
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4/28/2012 7:04:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/28/2012 6:48:07 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 4/28/2012 6:38:17 PM, westernmarch wrote:
At 4/28/2012 6:34:23 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 4/28/2012 6:23:15 PM, westernmarch wrote:
Is killing a man ever justified?

Short answer: Yes, with an If..

Long answer: No, with a But...

I'm sure someone can come up with a reason to justify anything.. especially killing someone who is a threat to someone else or to them.

I want to join the Navy but my family is like " You have been CORRUPTED" and "WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO KILL SOMEONE? WHAT IF THEY ARE INNOCENT?" etc etc.

You can what if til the cows come home.

I think it's safe to assume that if the Navy is attacking it, It's most likely not innocent.

What are you talking about? The navy bomb the sh!t out of innocent people all the time, they just call it collateral damage.
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MarquisX
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4/29/2012 1:28:36 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/28/2012 6:38:17 PM, westernmarch wrote:
At 4/28/2012 6:34:23 PM, airmax1227 wrote:
At 4/28/2012 6:23:15 PM, westernmarch wrote:
Is killing a man ever justified?

Short answer: Yes, with an If..

Long answer: No, with a But...

I'm sure someone can come up with a reason to justify anything.. especially killing someone who is a threat to someone else or to them.

I want to join the Navy but my family is like " You have been CORRUPTED" and "WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO KILL SOMEONE? WHAT IF THEY ARE INNOCENT?" etc etc.

Your family is misinformed. Half of my family is military, Navy, Air Force, I myself plan on joining the Marines, but more often than not you're going to go your whole tour without ever having to kill a man or without ever having your life threatened by an enemy army.
Sophisticated ignorance, write my curses in cursive
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4/29/2012 2:18:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
"If you are a racist I will attack you with the north"- Abraham Lincoln

"Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material" - Leviticus 19 19

"War is a racket" - Smedley Butler
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4/29/2012 8:51:32 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 4:27:26 AM, Cermank wrote:
War just? No.


May I ask why?
Killing a man ever justified? Yes.

Killing a man ever moral? No.

Ditto to the question above.
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4/29/2012 9:45:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 4:27:26 AM, Cermank wrote:
War just? No.

Killing a man ever justified? Yes.

Killing a man ever moral? No.

By that, do you mean killing a man is always IMMORAL, or always AMORAL?
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ConservativePolitico
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4/29/2012 9:49:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
War is just in some instances. When the subsequent war improved the situation in the end it is just. Example: defeating Nazi Germany was a just example of war.

War is sometimes just.

Murder is never just. But war is not murder.
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4/29/2012 10:13:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
War can be justified in some circumstances. I believe the Catholic Church (despite it's faults) has the best theory on the matter.

It is just to wage a war if ALL of the following criteria are met:

1. Just cause

"Force may be used only to correct a grave, public evil, i.e., aggression or massive violation of the basic human rights of whole populations."

2. Comparative justice

Injustice suffered by one party must significantly outweigh the injustice suffered by another party.

3. Competent authority

Only constituted public authorities can wage war. i.e. a dictator such as Hitler is not defined as such

4. Right intention

Pretty self explanatory

5. Probability of success

Once again, self explanatory

6. Last Resort

Self-explanatory. Once all peaceful means have been resolved you can go to war.

7. Proportionality

The anticipated benefits of waging a war must be proportionate to its expected evils or harms.

Now when in war there are also criteria...

1. Distinction

war should be directed to combatants not non-combatants.

2. Proportionality

Does the benefit of attacking the target (strategic benefit) outweigh any harm done?

3. Military necessity

Minimum force should be utilized. (i.e. a nuclear strike is not justified when sending 1,000 men would be sufficient). An attack must help defeat the enemy.

4. Fair treatment of POW

It is wrong to mistreat them. They pose no threat.

5. No means malum in se

Soldiers cannot use weapons which are considered wrong. (I.E. Mass rape or forcing soldiers to fight their own side) You cannot use weapons whose effects cannot be controlled.
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4/29/2012 10:15:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 9:49:57 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
War is just in some instances. When the subsequent war improved the situation in the end it is just. Example: defeating Nazi Germany was a just example of war.

That war wasn't just at all, Germany had no reason to go to war.
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4/29/2012 10:18:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 10:15:34 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 4/29/2012 9:49:57 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
War is just in some instances. When the subsequent war improved the situation in the end it is just. Example: defeating Nazi Germany was a just example of war.

That war wasn't just at all, Germany had no reason to go to war.

I think he was talking about the declaration of war by the allied countries...
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4/29/2012 10:30:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 10:18:17 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/29/2012 10:15:34 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 4/29/2012 9:49:57 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
War is just in some instances. When the subsequent war improved the situation in the end it is just. Example: defeating Nazi Germany was a just example of war.

That war wasn't just at all, Germany had no reason to go to war.

I think he was talking about the declaration of war by the allied countries...

Yes. Allied countries declaring war on Germany = just.
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4/29/2012 10:37:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 10:30:22 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/29/2012 10:18:17 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/29/2012 10:15:34 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 4/29/2012 9:49:57 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
War is just in some instances. When the subsequent war improved the situation in the end it is just. Example: defeating Nazi Germany was a just example of war.

That war wasn't just at all, Germany had no reason to go to war.

I think he was talking about the declaration of war by the allied countries...

Yes. Allied countries declaring war on Germany = just.

yea...agreed...I think the Catholic Church does also :P although what they say...
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5/1/2012 1:52:16 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/29/2012 8:51:32 AM, imaboard wrote:
At 4/29/2012 4:27:26 AM, Cermank wrote:
War just? No.


May I ask why?

War does not seek revenge from those who wronged the person who seeks revenge. The people hurt are pawns who 'signal' the higher in command their wishes or whatever. The people hurt don't deserve it.

Killing a man ever justified? Yes.

Self defence.

Killing a man ever moral? No.

Ditto to the question above.

See, morality is something that is determined by your actions. Morally it's not right to kill anyone, because every life has equal significance in the larger scheme of things.