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4/30/2012 11:34:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Imagine that a cataclysmic event is about to happen that will destroy the majority of mankind. Maybe it is due to a large solar flare, Yellowstone eruption, or even a nuclear war. There are only 10 people that will survive in order to repopulate the earth, and you are not going to be one of them. You have no idea who they will be, what they will know to pass on, what language they speak, etc. Most of the materials that we have will be destroyed - no books, computers, buildings, etc.

However, you have a large stone slab that you know will be preserved for the future generations of mankind to see. you have electronic carving tools to write what you want on the slab. Let's say the slab is 8 x 6 x 6 feet. What information would you put on this slab?
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4/30/2012 1:18:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/30/2012 11:34:56 AM, Lickdafoot wrote:
Imagine that a cataclysmic event is about to happen that will destroy the majority of mankind. Maybe it is due to a large solar flare, Yellowstone eruption, or even a nuclear war. There are only 10 people that will survive in order to repopulate the earth, and you are not going to be one of them. You have no idea who they will be, what they will know to pass on, what language they speak, etc. Most of the materials that we have will be destroyed - no books, computers, buildings, etc.

However, you have a large stone slab that you know will be preserved for the future generations of mankind to see. you have electronic carving tools to write what you want on the slab. Let's say the slab is 8 x 6 x 6 feet. What information would you put on this slab?

First of all, it depends who these 10 people are. I mean are they philosophers, scientists, or what? Are these people knowledgeable about any one thing?

But, any way you put it, civilization will naturally flourish by itself. Abstract concepts and ideas (such as religion and the hard sciences) will develop on its own. People will develop advanced technology (computers, etc) it is only natural. For the time immediatly after, what is most important is not technology but, survival. Where to find food, how to identify a poisonous plant from a non-poisonous one, information on field medicine (how to bandange cuts with cloth, set bones, etc) and herbal treatments for natural disease. How to create snares in order to get food. How to cook food. Survival is the number one thing to worry about, as such, anything dealing with survival should be what is communicated to these survivors.
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4/30/2012 1:31:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/30/2012 1:18:22 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
First of all, it depends who these 10 people are. I mean are they philosophers, scientists, or what? Are these people knowledgeable about any one thing?

But, any way you put it, civilization will naturally flourish by itself. Abstract concepts and ideas (such as religion and the hard sciences) will develop on its own. People will develop advanced technology (computers, etc) it is only natural. For the time immediatly after, what is most important is not technology but, survival. Where to find food, how to identify a poisonous plant from a non-poisonous one, information on field medicine (how to bandange cuts with cloth, set bones, etc) and herbal treatments for natural disease. How to create snares in order to get food. How to cook food. Survival is the number one thing to worry about, as such, anything dealing with survival should be what is communicated to these survivors.

Well in this hypothetical situation you have no way of knowing who the survivors are.

So, you are looking at the short term so that the survivors will live. Preservation of humanity is important to you.

Makes sense. If no one was around to understand the knowledge, what good is it?

Anyone else? there is a lot of room on a 8 x 4 x 4 stone. What is the most important information that needs to be shared with future generations?
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4/30/2012 2:58:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Survival stuff, Capitalistic Concepts, and Christian teachings.

Also, if I could fit in lessons learned by history to not be repeated, those too.
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4/30/2012 3:08:37 PM
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At 4/30/2012 2:58:35 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Survival stuff, Capitalistic Concepts, and Christian teachings.

Also, if I could fit in lessons learned by history to not be repeated, those too.


Why capitalistic concepts? What good does this do in a world populated by 10?

And you do know the history of Christianity probably wouldn't fit on a stone this size...you'd need a much larger stone....also, what if the person getting it isn't christian? or is Christian? :P

The bolded is a good idea :P
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4/30/2012 3:30:15 PM
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At 4/30/2012 3:22:22 PM, FREEDO wrote:
"YOU JUST LOST THE GAME"

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That would be the ultimate trolling ever.
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4/30/2012 3:37:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/30/2012 3:08:37 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 2:58:35 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Survival stuff, Capitalistic Concepts, and Christian teachings.

Also, if I could fit in lessons learned by history to not be repeated, those too.


Why capitalistic concepts? What good does this do in a world populated by 10?

And you do know the history of Christianity probably wouldn't fit on a stone this size...you'd need a much larger stone....also, what if the person getting it isn't christian? or is Christian? :P

The bolded is a good idea :P

yeah but who said that the only people to read it will be those first 10?

maybe people later on might be the ones to read it.

they might not even speak English.

you might have to do everything in pictures if you don't expect an advanced civilization to take the time to decipher this stuff.
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4/30/2012 3:44:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
we're talking about our whole of history here. all the knowledge and records that we have acquired over the centuries. There has to be something significant to put on the slab. More than just survival skills. Survival skills can be best picked up through experience. Maybe a side of the stone would be good for that. But what other knowledge is significant enough to retain? To pass on to future generations?

Medical processes? How to make electricity? Other technologies or inventions?

Wouldn't our predessesors want to know where they came from? Our history? Our religious beliefs?
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4/30/2012 3:52:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/30/2012 3:44:11 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
we're talking about our whole of history here. all the knowledge and records that we have acquired over the centuries. There has to be something significant to put on the slab. More than just survival skills. Survival skills can be best picked up through experience. Maybe a side of the stone would be good for that. But what other knowledge is significant enough to retain? To pass on to future generations?

Medical processes? How to make electricity? Other technologies or inventions?

Wouldn't our predecessors want to know where they came from? Our history? Our religious beliefs?

It's more important to pass on a reason to live than to have a cozy lifestyle. I would be perfectly fine seeing the entire human race go extinct if they lost a sense of wonder of life in general. In addition to porn, put up some basic philosophy and religious brain teasers that should take a few millenia to re-figure out. That will keep them busy.
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4/30/2012 3:58:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/30/2012 3:30:15 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 4/30/2012 3:22:22 PM, FREEDO wrote:
"YOU JUST LOST THE GAME"

nac

That would be the ultimate trolling ever.

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4/30/2012 3:59:54 PM
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Somewhere in a distant galaxy, aliens thought of The Game too. And they are losing it just the same.
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4/30/2012 6:50:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/30/2012 3:44:11 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
we're talking about our whole of history here. all the knowledge and records that we have acquired over the centuries. There has to be something significant to put on the slab. More than just survival skills. Survival skills can be best picked up through experience. Maybe a side of the stone would be good for that. But what other knowledge is significant enough to retain? To pass on to future generations?

Medical processes? How to make electricity? Other technologies or inventions?

Wouldn't our predessesors want to know where they came from? Our history? Our religious beliefs?

Survival is always the first policy. My personal preference eating > history. You may be able to pick up survival skills as you go along, but, you only really have one try. If everyone dies because they do not know how to make penicillin or do not know how to hunt, what good is philosophy?

As for how to make electricity, how is it possible to make electricity if you do not even know whether or not the people are engineers or have the skill to do so? What are you going to do? Draw detailed schematics on how to build a hydroelectric dam? How do you get what you need to make the electricity? Coal, oil, etc. How do you harness these forces of nature?

Other technologies and inventions...such as what? Most of them need electricity...which no one has.

All these inventions only make life comfortable, they are not necessary for continued existence. They will come after civilization begins once again. If everything is destroyed there is nothing to start with. You do not have the power plant, it's gone. You have to build one yourself. If you want to let civilization develop once more you do not want to give them history, you do not want to give them these religious beliefs. It will be a primitive culture, why influence it with outside beliefs, many of which have caused nothing but harm. If these 10 people are wise, the mistakes of history should not be remembered. What good does remembering the teachings of Jesus Christ do when all people throughout history have done is turned it into a religion of death, turned the cross upside down into a sword?

If I could inscribe one sentence into this stone and just one sentence it would be "weapons and conflicting organized religion has brought nothing but death, do not establish these two concepts." That alone would be enough. Could you honestly argue with me the world would be worse off without the invention of the rifle? I hypothesis a weaponless, religious free society would be closer to utopia then any existing society today. Example 1, the Middle East. Example 2, Africa. Example 3, the Middle Ages. Example 4, war. The middle east would be better off without religion and weapons. Africa would be better off without religion and weapons. People would not be slaughtered and persecuted because they have a different conception on religion. The Middle Ages is obvious, one word, Christianity and Islam. As for war, I would argue conflict is human nature, with weapons these conflicts turn deadly. Without weapons the chance of death occurring is much less. It is harder to kill someone with your hands than with a knife or a gun.

What reason is there to remember history? Why not just let civilization renew itself?
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4/30/2012 6:51:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/30/2012 3:37:45 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
At 4/30/2012 3:08:37 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 2:58:35 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Survival stuff, Capitalistic Concepts, and Christian teachings.

Also, if I could fit in lessons learned by history to not be repeated, those too.


Why capitalistic concepts? What good does this do in a world populated by 10?

And you do know the history of Christianity probably wouldn't fit on a stone this size...you'd need a much larger stone....also, what if the person getting it isn't christian? or is Christian? :P

The bolded is a good idea :P

yeah but who said that the only people to read it will be those first 10?

maybe people later on might be the ones to read it.

they might not even speak English.

you might have to do everything in pictures if you don't expect an advanced civilization to take the time to decipher this stuff.

You don't think capitalism would develop itself? I mean it developed once (rather many times). Why not again?
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4/30/2012 6:54:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Well, firstly, you wouldn't even know if they were old enough to read or literate at all. I would probably draw pictures explaining how to mend injuries, make fire, other things like that. Over the course of the next few millenia they should be close to where we are right now.
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4/30/2012 6:55:20 PM
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At 4/30/2012 6:54:44 PM, WriterSelbe wrote:
Well, firstly, you wouldn't even know if they were old enough to read or literate at all. I would probably draw pictures explaining how to mend injuries, make fire, other things like that. Over the course of the next few millenia they should be close to where we are right now.

Why would we want them to be close to where we were?
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4/30/2012 6:55:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/30/2012 6:51:41 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 3:37:45 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
At 4/30/2012 3:08:37 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 2:58:35 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Survival stuff, Capitalistic Concepts, and Christian teachings.

Also, if I could fit in lessons learned by history to not be repeated, those too.


Why capitalistic concepts? What good does this do in a world populated by 10?

And you do know the history of Christianity probably wouldn't fit on a stone this size...you'd need a much larger stone....also, what if the person getting it isn't christian? or is Christian? :P

The bolded is a good idea :P

yeah but who said that the only people to read it will be those first 10?

maybe people later on might be the ones to read it.

they might not even speak English.

you might have to do everything in pictures if you don't expect an advanced civilization to take the time to decipher this stuff.

You don't think capitalism would develop itself? I mean it developed once (rather many times). Why not again?

i didn't say anything about capitalism. i'm not even for capitalism. why would we want to teach our predecessors about our governmental systems when we cannot even maintain them ourselves? maybe a few standard rules to live by to craft a system around, but people could generally figure out those things for themselves.
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4/30/2012 6:58:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/30/2012 6:55:57 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
At 4/30/2012 6:51:41 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 3:37:45 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
At 4/30/2012 3:08:37 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 2:58:35 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Survival stuff, Capitalistic Concepts, and Christian teachings.

Also, if I could fit in lessons learned by history to not be repeated, those too.


Why capitalistic concepts? What good does this do in a world populated by 10?

And you do know the history of Christianity probably wouldn't fit on a stone this size...you'd need a much larger stone....also, what if the person getting it isn't christian? or is Christian? :P

The bolded is a good idea :P

yeah but who said that the only people to read it will be those first 10?

maybe people later on might be the ones to read it.

they might not even speak English.

you might have to do everything in pictures if you don't expect an advanced civilization to take the time to decipher this stuff.

You don't think capitalism would develop itself? I mean it developed once (rather many times). Why not again?

i didn't say anything about capitalism. i'm not even for capitalism. why would we want to teach our predecessors about our governmental systems when we cannot even maintain them ourselves? maybe a few standard rules to live by to craft a system around, but people could generally figure out those things for themselves.

So if it's not worth preserving how to set up a government. What is worth preserving?
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4/30/2012 6:59:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Agricultural, medical, and linguistic information.
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4/30/2012 7:02:11 PM
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At 4/30/2012 6:59:25 PM, Oryus wrote:
Agricultural, medical, and linguistic information.

So how to grow food, how to protect and heal oneself (from disease, etc.) and how to speak/write.

I don't know if linguistics is as important as say, food.
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4/30/2012 7:04:01 PM
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At 4/30/2012 6:55:20 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 6:54:44 PM, WriterSelbe wrote:
Well, firstly, you wouldn't even know if they were old enough to read or literate at all. I would probably draw pictures explaining how to mend injuries, make fire, other things like that. Over the course of the next few millenia they should be close to where we are right now.

Why would we want them to be close to where we were?

Good point... Maybe I shouldn't give them fire...
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4/30/2012 7:05:07 PM
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At 4/30/2012 7:04:01 PM, WriterSelbe wrote:
At 4/30/2012 6:55:20 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 6:54:44 PM, WriterSelbe wrote:
Well, firstly, you wouldn't even know if they were old enough to read or literate at all. I would probably draw pictures explaining how to mend injuries, make fire, other things like that. Over the course of the next few millenia they should be close to where we are right now.

Why would we want them to be close to where we were?

Good point... Maybe I shouldn't give them fire...

what do you mean give them fire? Isn't that classified under survival? I mean what does it mean to be where we are now?
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4/30/2012 7:05:36 PM
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At 4/30/2012 7:02:11 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 6:59:25 PM, Oryus wrote:
Agricultural, medical, and linguistic information.

So how to grow food, how to protect and heal oneself (from disease, etc.) and how to speak/write.

I don't know if linguistics is as important as say, food.

I actually unintentionally put them in order of importance.. But if we were to ever recover lost tomes, language would be pretty damn important then.
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4/30/2012 7:07:07 PM
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At 4/30/2012 7:05:36 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 4/30/2012 7:02:11 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 6:59:25 PM, Oryus wrote:
Agricultural, medical, and linguistic information.

So how to grow food, how to protect and heal oneself (from disease, etc.) and how to speak/write.

I don't know if linguistics is as important as say, food.

I actually unintentionally put them in order of importance.. But if we were to ever recover lost tomes, language would be pretty damn important then.

haha, okay :P but, couldn't you argue the people who survived with have language in some form? Wouldn't it be better just to have one or two universal languages rather than say....500?
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4/30/2012 7:16:38 PM
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At 4/30/2012 7:05:07 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 7:04:01 PM, WriterSelbe wrote:
At 4/30/2012 6:55:20 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 6:54:44 PM, WriterSelbe wrote:
Well, firstly, you wouldn't even know if they were old enough to read or literate at all. I would probably draw pictures explaining how to mend injuries, make fire, other things like that. Over the course of the next few millenia they should be close to where we are right now.

Why would we want them to be close to where we were?

Good point... Maybe I shouldn't give them fire...

what do you mean give them fire? Isn't that classified under survival? I mean what does it mean to be where we are now?

Fire means burning fuels, burning fuels means pollution, and pollution means the deterioration of the atmosphere. We don't need knowledge of fire for survival. Eating raw meat and being conditioned to it allows you to build immunity to disease.
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4/30/2012 7:19:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/30/2012 7:07:07 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 7:05:36 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 4/30/2012 7:02:11 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 6:59:25 PM, Oryus wrote:
Agricultural, medical, and linguistic information.

So how to grow food, how to protect and heal oneself (from disease, etc.) and how to speak/write.

I don't know if linguistics is as important as say, food.

I actually unintentionally put them in order of importance.. But if we were to ever recover lost tomes, language would be pretty damn important then.

haha, okay :P but, couldn't you argue the people who survived with have language in some form? Wouldn't it be better just to have one or two universal languages rather than say....500?

Oh, mos def. I was thinking something more like multiple alphabets- rosetta stone style.
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4/30/2012 7:20:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/30/2012 7:19:28 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 4/30/2012 7:07:07 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 7:05:36 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 4/30/2012 7:02:11 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 6:59:25 PM, Oryus wrote:
Agricultural, medical, and linguistic information.

So how to grow food, how to protect and heal oneself (from disease, etc.) and how to speak/write.

I don't know if linguistics is as important as say, food.

I actually unintentionally put them in order of importance.. But if we were to ever recover lost tomes, language would be pretty damn important then.

haha, okay :P but, couldn't you argue the people who survived with have language in some form? Wouldn't it be better just to have one or two universal languages rather than say....500?

Oh, mos def. I was thinking something more like multiple alphabets- rosetta stone style.

oh so you mean anyone can read it? instead of just one or two languages?
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4/30/2012 7:34:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/30/2012 7:20:53 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 7:19:28 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 4/30/2012 7:07:07 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 7:05:36 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 4/30/2012 7:02:11 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 4/30/2012 6:59:25 PM, Oryus wrote:
Agricultural, medical, and linguistic information.

So how to grow food, how to protect and heal oneself (from disease, etc.) and how to speak/write.

I don't know if linguistics is as important as say, food.

I actually unintentionally put them in order of importance.. But if we were to ever recover lost tomes, language would be pretty damn important then.

haha, okay :P but, couldn't you argue the people who survived with have language in some form? Wouldn't it be better just to have one or two universal languages rather than say....500?

Oh, mos def. I was thinking something more like multiple alphabets- rosetta stone style.

oh so you mean anyone can read it? instead of just one or two languages?

Well, all the information about agriculture and medical stuff would have to be in one language or another. But the linguistic information being it's own thing, I think, should be a rosetta stone type of deal. Perhaps having the alphabets of all the major languages.
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4/30/2012 8:21:39 PM
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