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Harlan
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8/1/2009 11:57:42 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
For various reasons I am finding myself increasingly depressed about large-scale ignorance that I can't at all affect, lately. Having a new president, and seeing the ways in which people react to the president and the changes that the president is trying to implement, it freaks me out.

Worst of all, there is actually serious consideration that Palin could be a candidate in 2012. Not only the mobs of idiots which inevitably exist in a population, but figures who are respected and influential, believe that Sarah Palin could be a good choice to be commander in chief of the nation. What kind of f**ked up democracy is it that a woman like that is even treated seriously, never the less: considered for presidency?

For god's sake: she thought that Africa was a country. She doesn't know any thing about any thing.
Rezzealaux
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8/2/2009 2:01:25 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/1/2009 11:57:42 PM, Harlan wrote:
What kind of f**ked up democracy is it that a woman like that is even treated seriously, never the less: considered for presidency?

Are you against democracy in principle?
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"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
regebro
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8/2/2009 2:36:32 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/1/2009 11:57:42 PM, Harlan wrote:
For various reasons I am finding myself increasingly depressed about large-scale ignorance that I can't at all affect, lately.

Been there, done that.

Having a new president, and seeing the ways in which people react to the president and the changes that the president is trying to implement, it freaks me out.

It freaks you out to have a new president? Especially one that, although far from perfect, is so amazingly obviously a huge improvement on the previous one, freaks you out?

Hmm.
So prove me wrong, then.
brian_eggleston
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8/2/2009 3:49:03 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/1/2009 11:57:42 PM, Harlan wrote:
For various reasons I am finding myself increasingly depressed about large-scale ignorance that I can't at all affect, lately. Having a new president, and seeing the ways in which people react to the president and the changes that the president is trying to implement, it freaks me out.

Worst of all, there is actually serious consideration that Palin could be a candidate in 2012. Not only the mobs of idiots which inevitably exist in a population, but figures who are respected and influential, believe that Sarah Palin could be a good choice to be commander in chief of the nation. What kind of f**ked up democracy is it that a woman like that is even treated seriously, never the less: considered for presidency?

For god's sake: she thought that Africa was a country. She doesn't know any thing about any thing.

I know what you are saying. Perhaps there should be some sort of examination that prospective candidates hoping to stand for election should pass as part of the selection process?

I mean, if Palin wanted to become a doctor, she would have had to been qualified.

It would be no good if a desperate mum and dad brought her their unconscious baby and she turned round to them said 'I'll pray for it' and walked away, or if she gave someone who was having an asthma attack a cigarette 'to regulate the breathing' and later claim that the fact she had 100,000 shares in British American Tobacco was only a coincidence!
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8/2/2009 4:11:35 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Technically, 50% of the smarter people in the world view the other 50% as idiots.

Anyway, Palin should be allowed run. Just so the Dems get an easy 2012 election.
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regebro
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8/2/2009 5:17:04 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/2/2009 4:11:35 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Technically, 50% of the smarter people in the world view the other 50% as idiots.

Not just 50%. The absolute majority of everybody considers themselves to be above average in intelligence.

"People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it."

http://www.apa.org...
So prove me wrong, then.
Volkov
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8/2/2009 6:31:41 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
It isn't that people are "stupid," they're just ignorant of all the facts. Most of the people running around screaming about "Obama socialism" and believing all the information fed to them by anti-government sources are ones that don't look into anything beyond that. Not everyone is like this, of course, but I believe a plurality is.

It is depressing to see, but if you could push people enough to actually look at all sides of the debate without any of this spin, become involved in the matters that they're screaming about happening, and generally shift individuals from being politically passive to politically active, you'll find that people like Sarah Palin wouldn't be enabled to run a convenience store, let alone a country.
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8/2/2009 7:00:00 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/2/2009 5:17:04 AM, regebro wrote:
At 8/2/2009 4:11:35 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Technically, 50% of the smarter people in the world have the undeniable right to view the other 50% as idiots.

Not just 50%. The absolute majority of everybody considers themselves to be above average in intelligence.

"People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it."

http://www.apa.org...

Fix'd.
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Ragnar_Rahl
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8/2/2009 9:22:11 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/2/2009 6:31:41 AM, Volkov wrote:
It is depressing to see, but if you could push people enough

Nuff said about Volkov's stake in the matter.
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brian_eggleston
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8/2/2009 9:54:31 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/2/2009 6:31:41 AM, Volkov wrote:
It isn't that people are "stupid," they're just ignorant of all the facts. Most of the people running around screaming about "Obama socialism" and believing all the information fed to them by anti-government sources are ones that don't look into anything beyond that. Not everyone is like this, of course, but I believe a plurality is.

It is depressing to see, but if you could push people enough to actually look at all sides of the debate without any of this spin, become involved in the matters that they're screaming about happening, and generally shift individuals from being politically passive to politically active, you'll find that people like Sarah Palin wouldn't be enabled to run a convenience store, let alone a country.

Here, here! Good points well made...
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Harlan
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8/2/2009 10:04:18 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/2/2009 2:01:25 AM, Rezzealaux wrote:
At 8/1/2009 11:57:42 PM, Harlan wrote:
What kind of f**ked up democracy is it that a woman like that is even treated seriously, never the less: considered for presidency?

Are you against democracy in principle?

No.
Harlan
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8/2/2009 10:04:41 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
It freaks you out to have a new president? Especially one that, although far from perfect, is so amazingly obviously a huge improvement on the previous one, freaks you out?

Hmm.

No, it freaks me out how people react to the new president.
patsox834
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8/2/2009 10:07:16 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/2/2009 6:31:41 AM, Volkov wrote:
It isn't that people are "stupid," they're just ignorant of all the facts.

Hahahaha, I know what you're trying to say, but this just reads as something like..."I know he's not gay; he just enjoys the company of men."
Rezzealaux
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8/2/2009 10:21:37 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/2/2009 10:04:18 AM, Harlan wrote:
At 8/2/2009 2:01:25 AM, Rezzealaux wrote:
At 8/1/2009 11:57:42 PM, Harlan wrote:
What kind of f**ked up democracy is it that a woman like that is even treated seriously, never the less: considered for presidency?

Are you against democracy in principle?

No.

So you agree that Palin should be able to run, but you're angry about it.
Why is that?
: If you weren't new here, you'd know not to feed me such attention. This is like an orgasm in my brain right now. *hehe, my name is in a title, hehe* (http://www.debate.org...)

Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
GeoLaureate8
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8/2/2009 5:25:38 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/2/2009 6:31:41 AM, Volkov wrote:
It isn't that people are "stupid," they're just ignorant of all the facts. Most of the people running around screaming about "Obama socialism" and believing all the information fed to them by anti-government sources are ones that don't look into anything beyond that. Not everyone is like this, of course, but I believe a plurality is.

Anti-government sources? You would think that many people are anti-government, but the majority of the population identify with either Democrat or Republican, and are happy when their candidates win. So really, who is truly anti-government?

Also, I think the primary sign of mass ignorance is the fact that people supporting this tyrannical government, who actually think it makes a difference whether a Democrat or Republican is in office, can't see that the agenda never changes regardless. Does anything really change when a new party is in office? Or are the elites just playing games here, giving us the illusion of choice.

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Volkov
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8/2/2009 5:32:42 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/2/2009 5:25:38 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Anti-government sources? You would think that many people are anti-government, but the majority of the population identify with either Democrat or Republican, and are happy when their candidates win. So really, who is truly anti-government?

Anti-government in this case means anti-administration, or anti-whoever-is-in-power-at-the-time, which in this case would be Barack Obama and the Democratic Party. I'm used to saying "anti-government," because the "government" here can mean the party in power, as well. Sorry for the confusion.

Ragnar_Rahl said:
Nuff said about Volkov's stake in the matter.

When I say "push," I don't mean force. To be honest, forcing people to get more involved in politics would worsen any cause to become tyrannical. But, what I mean was that it is important to encourage others to take up interest and hold their officials accountable. You can't force them to, but I'll try hard to convince them to.
Harlan
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8/2/2009 6:14:51 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
So you agree that Palin should be able to run, but you're angry about it.
Why is that?

I'm not angry that Palin has the legal right to run (that's not what I said), I'm frustrated that the American population is ignorant enough to consider her for presidency.

I'm not arguing about forms of government, policy, or anything of the sort. I'm just expressing that a decent portion of the American people are cartoonishly dumb in this regard.
Rezzealaux
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8/2/2009 6:47:29 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/2/2009 6:14:51 PM, Harlan wrote:
So you agree that Palin should be able to run, but you're angry about it.
Why is that?

I'm not angry that Palin has the legal right to run (that's not what I said), I'm frustrated that the American population is ignorant enough to consider her for presidency.

I'm not arguing about forms of government, policy, or anything of the sort. I'm just expressing that a decent portion of the American people are cartoonishly dumb in this regard.

Welcome to the world of public education.
Enjoy your stay.
: If you weren't new here, you'd know not to feed me such attention. This is like an orgasm in my brain right now. *hehe, my name is in a title, hehe* (http://www.debate.org...)

Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
Ragnar_Rahl
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8/2/2009 8:10:54 PM
Posted: 7 years ago

Ragnar_Rahl said:
Nuff said about Volkov's stake in the matter.

When I say "push," I don't mean force. To be honest, forcing people to get more involved in politics would worsen any cause to become tyrannical. But, what I mean was that it is important to encourage others to take up interest and hold their officials accountable. You can't force them to, but I'll try hard to convince them to.
Oh great, encouraging people who wouldn't want to otherwise to get into politics. What makes you think they won't take the official's side against whatever cause you're trying to put forward?
(Well, technically, wait, I can answer that, that kind of person is usually on your side for essentially no reason but that it isn't my side. Even better :( )

Well, at least it's not what I thought, fortunately.
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Volkov
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8/2/2009 8:20:44 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/2/2009 8:10:54 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Oh great, encouraging people who wouldn't want to otherwise to get into politics. What makes you think they won't take the official's side against whatever cause you're trying to put forward? .

If they want to go against it, then let them. Nothing stopping me from at least trying.
regebro
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8/3/2009 2:39:31 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/2/2009 6:31:41 AM, Volkov wrote:
It isn't that people are "stupid," they're just ignorant of all the facts.

I don't agree. People are ignorant of the facts, yes. But they are ignorant of the facts *because they want to be*. This is mostly based in a desire to not admit that they made mistakes. People get emotionally and/or socially attached to their opinions and political positions, and as such emotionally unable to change their minds. The result is a refusal to admit that they are wrong, and a very (subconsciously) intentional ignorance of the facts.

Or in short: People make up their minds first, and then invent arguments and facts to fit their opinions.

This, I will claim, is stupid, and the cause of 99% of all stupidity in the world. People are stupid, because they *chose* to be stupid. The exception is those who has a physical mental retardation.
So prove me wrong, then.
regebro
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8/3/2009 2:40:02 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 8/2/2009 10:04:41 AM, Harlan wrote:
It freaks you out to have a new president? Especially one that, although far from perfect, is so amazingly obviously a huge improvement on the previous one, freaks you out?

Hmm.

No, it freaks me out how people react to the new president.

OK, fair enough.
So prove me wrong, then.