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inferno
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5/21/2012 1:19:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
President Obama has come out to the general public to announce his approval of gay rights here in America. Although he does not agree on a morale level, that two beings of the same sex should attain matrimony under a holy-grail. But the general public does not support such a thing as of yet. But the future is inevitable.
We know that eventually the influence of the gay community will saturate our beloved culture and social conscious in every corner of the universe. So this too shall come to pass.
I have nothing against gays, but when will this all lead. Will we become more sympathetic towards others who do not share our religious or moral views about life as we know it to be. I see this as an economic issue, and it generates revenue to each state because of the opportunity that this brings especially in private sector business. Mass state has alread bought in 100 million since they allowed gay marriage into law. Perhaps this is more about the almighty dollar than we thought.
Oh well, either way it goes. Morality is just a figment of our imagination.
Or is it. Good day.
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5/21/2012 2:02:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/21/2012 1:19:31 PM, inferno wrote:
President Obama has come out to the general public to announce his approval of gay rights here in America. Although he does not agree on a morale level, that two beings of the same sex should attain matrimony under a holy-grail. But the general public does not support such a thing as of yet. But the future is inevitable.
We know that eventually the influence of the gay community will saturate our beloved culture and social conscious in every corner of the universe. So this too shall come to pass.
I have nothing against gays, but when will this all lead. Will we become more sympathetic towards others who do not share our religious or moral views about life as we know it to be. I see this as an economic issue, and it generates revenue to each state because of the opportunity that this brings especially in private sector business. Mass state has alread bought in 100 million since they allowed gay marriage into law. Perhaps this is more about the almighty dollar than we thought.
Oh well, either way it goes. Morality is just a figment of our imagination.
Or is it. Good day.

The world will have a better understanding of the value of show tunes. That's about it.
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5/21/2012 2:04:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The world will have a better understanding of the value of show tunes. That's about it.:

+1

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5/21/2012 2:07:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/21/2012 1:19:31 PM, inferno wrote:
We know that eventually the influence of the gay community will saturate our beloved culture and social conscious in every corner of the universe. So this too shall come to pass.

Yes, when same-sex marriage is legalized, anal lube will shoot out of water fountains and Nickelodeon will regularly broadcast gay porn.

I have nothing against gays,

Clearly!

Oh well, either way it goes. Morality is just a figment of our imagination.

Morality = forcing other people through coercion to follow an arbitrary code of morality written by goat herders in desert tomes.
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5/21/2012 2:09:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/21/2012 2:02:26 PM, innomen wrote:

The world will have a better understanding of the value of show tunes. That's about it.

LES MISÉRABLES IS FROM THE BOWELS OF HADES!!! WE MUST OPPOSE EQUALITY!!!
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5/21/2012 3:52:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/21/2012 2:02:26 PM, innomen wrote:
At 5/21/2012 1:19:31 PM, inferno wrote:
President Obama has come out to the general public to announce his approval of gay rights here in America. Although he does not agree on a morale level, that two beings of the same sex should attain matrimony under a holy-grail. But the general public does not support such a thing as of yet. But the future is inevitable.
We know that eventually the influence of the gay community will saturate our beloved culture and social conscious in every corner of the universe. So this too shall come to pass.
I have nothing against gays, but when will this all lead. Will we become more sympathetic towards others who do not share our religious or moral views about life as we know it to be. I see this as an economic issue, and it generates revenue to each state because of the opportunity that this brings especially in private sector business. Mass state has alread bought in 100 million since they allowed gay marriage into law. Perhaps this is more about the almighty dollar than we thought.
Oh well, either way it goes. Morality is just a figment of our imagination.
Or is it. Good day.

The world will have a better understanding of the value of show tunes. That's about it.

The world will have a poorer understanding of showtunes. Neither W. S. Gilbert or Arthur Sullivan where gay.
Um....You've got a log in your eye.
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5/21/2012 10:23:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/21/2012 3:52:17 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
At 5/21/2012 2:02:26 PM, innomen wrote:

The world will have a better understanding of the value of show tunes. That's about it.

The world will have a poorer understanding of showtunes. Neither W. S. Gilbert or Arthur Sullivan where gay.

Neither W. S. Gilbert or Arthur Sullivan were** gay.

You completely ignore the point he is trying to make because of an underdeveloped sense of humor. There are no serious consequences to gay marriage being legalized. AIDS rates drop, constitutional equality and justice are upheld, etc. The innocuousness of gay marriage is what he is pointing to in a witty way that utilizes a common stereotype of gay people: love of showtunes. Your critique also fails logically, because he was implying that homosexuals would spread their appreciation of showtunes and broadway musicals, which would allow the world a better understanding of showtunes. He did not say that all showtune composers were homosexual. Your homophobic attack has failed prima facie, logically, and empirically.
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5/22/2012 4:38:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
So you want to ban gay marriage cause you think homosexuals/homosexuality is immoral, fair enough.

I find bible loving chrisitians who tell kids they are dead in their sins and are going to hell unless they believe in (republican) "Jesus" immoral.

Can we ban these freaks from getting married too ? or is just that homo's who get the ban ?
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5/22/2012 12:13:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/21/2012 2:09:04 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 5/21/2012 2:02:26 PM, innomen wrote:

The world will have a better understanding of the value of show tunes. That's about it.

LES MISÉRABLES IS FROM THE BOWELS OF HADES!!! WE MUST OPPOSE EQUALITY!!!

He-he!
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5/22/2012 7:30:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
What about the guns and girls part?
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5/22/2012 9:57:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 7:30:38 PM, Calvincambridge wrote:
What about the guns and girls part?

He's really into gays.
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5/23/2012 11:12:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/22/2012 7:30:38 PM, Calvincambridge wrote:
What about the guns and girls part?

Gun are needed in our country. It is a security issue and that is why gangs are allowed to do what they do. As long as they are used in the correct manner, they are a non threat to our well being. And girls. Well, they are always okay with me.
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5/23/2012 6:08:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 11:12:02 AM, inferno wrote:
At 5/22/2012 7:30:38 PM, Calvincambridge wrote:
What about the guns and girls part?

Gun are needed in our country. It is a security issue and that is why gangs are allowed to do what they do. As long as they are used in the correct manner, they are a non threat to our well being. And girls. Well, they are always okay with me.

Of course they are, otherwise you would have to settle for male prostitutes.
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5/23/2012 7:14:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 6:08:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I support banning guns. It reduces access to criminals by raising black market prices.

Yeah like that time we banned alcohol! Oh wait....
#BlackLivesMatter
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5/23/2012 11:26:43 PM
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At 5/23/2012 6:08:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I support banning guns. It reduces access to criminals by raising black market prices.

Evidence?
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5/23/2012 11:39:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 7:14:19 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
At 5/23/2012 6:08:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I support banning guns. It reduces access to criminals by raising black market prices.

Yeah like that time we banned alcohol! Oh wait....

Yeah! Like that time we realized that that was almost 100 years ago! Oh wait....
#UnbanTheMadman

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5/23/2012 11:40:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/21/2012 2:07:00 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 5/21/2012 1:19:31 PM, inferno wrote:
We know that eventually the influence of the gay community will saturate our beloved culture and social conscious in every corner of the universe. So this too shall come to pass.

Yes, when same-sex marriage is legalized, anal lube will shoot out of water fountains and Nickelodeon will regularly broadcast gay porn.

I have nothing against gays,

Clearly!

Oh well, either way it goes. Morality is just a figment of our imagination.

Morality = forcing other people through coercion to follow an arbitrary code of morality written by goat herders in desert tomes.

MAKE IT HAPPEN
#UnbanTheMadman

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Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
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5/24/2012 12:40:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 11:39:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 7:14:19 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
At 5/23/2012 6:08:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I support banning guns. It reduces access to criminals by raising black market prices.

Yeah like that time we banned alcohol! Oh wait....

Yeah! Like that time we realized that that was almost 100 years ago! Oh wait....

Not sure what point you're making.
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5/24/2012 12:45:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 11:39:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 7:14:19 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
At 5/23/2012 6:08:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I support banning guns. It reduces access to criminals by raising black market prices.

Yeah like that time we banned alcohol! Oh wait....

Yeah! Like that time we realized that that was almost 100 years ago! Oh wait....

Society is generally the same, and prohibition will have the same problems today as it did 100 years ago. Prohibition of certain drugs, for example, does drive the price up, but it creates a whole set of new problems.
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5/24/2012 6:35:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 7:14:19 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
At 5/23/2012 6:08:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I support banning guns. It reduces access to criminals by raising black market prices.

Yeah like that time we banned alcohol! Oh wait....

Prohibition actually did cut drinking rates drastically. People in the states still drink less than they did before Prohibition.
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5/24/2012 7:37:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 7:14:19 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
At 5/23/2012 6:08:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I support banning guns. It reduces access to criminals by raising black market prices.

Yeah like that time we banned alcohol! Oh wait....
I don't think alcohol should be banned, but there are stupid and good ways of banning something, you know. For example, if the ban can gradually (through campaigns, education, etc.), it would not have been a disaster like it was.
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5/24/2012 8:58:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 6:08:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I support banning guns. It reduces access to criminals by raising black market prices.

You mean we should ban assault weapons and other war-like objects that can totally destroy someone in an instant. Guns are not the problem, it is the conscious mind behind the gun. Our US Constitution allows this to be because of the possibility of war and defense. Banning guns will not solve our crime problem, as they can be easily sold through black market or underground. You fix the economic system
and then the crime will go down as always.
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5/24/2012 9:19:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 8:58:09 AM, inferno wrote:
At 5/23/2012 6:08:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I support banning guns. It reduces access to criminals by raising black market prices.

You mean we should ban assault weapons and other war-like objects that can totally destroy someone in an instant. Guns are not the problem, it is the conscious mind behind the gun. Our US Constitution allows this to be because of the possibility of war and defense. Banning guns will not solve our crime problem, as they can be easily sold through black market or underground. You fix the economic system
and then the crime will go down as always.

Yes, this is completely true. The means to eliminating crime is to eliminate poverty. However, the 2nd Amendment gives us gun rights in the context of joining a militia (National Guard). It is not a blanket right.
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5/24/2012 9:24:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 9:19:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 5/24/2012 8:58:09 AM, inferno wrote:
At 5/23/2012 6:08:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I support banning guns. It reduces access to criminals by raising black market prices.

You mean we should ban assault weapons and other war-like objects that can totally destroy someone in an instant. Guns are not the problem, it is the conscious mind behind the gun. Our US Constitution allows this to be because of the possibility of war and defense. Banning guns will not solve our crime problem, as they can be easily sold through black market or underground. You fix the economic system
and then the crime will go down as always.

Yes, this is completely true. The means to eliminating crime is to eliminate poverty. However, the 2nd Amendment gives us gun rights in the context of joining a militia (National Guard). It is not a blanket right.

I uderstand what you are saying. But guns are made, bought, and sold here in the
US because it is a business. Maybe we can stop selling cigarettes, over-the counter-drugs, toxic household products. Well, are they not dangerous, too ?
Of course they are. Again, it is about personal responsibility. You do not have to
misuse anything if you do not wish to. Unfortunately, people make the wrong decisions. You cannot take away our civil liberties simply because people break the law. Or do any harm to their own body, when they know very well they should not.
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5/24/2012 9:25:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 9:24:01 AM, inferno wrote:
At 5/24/2012 9:19:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 5/24/2012 8:58:09 AM, inferno wrote:
At 5/23/2012 6:08:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I support banning guns. It reduces access to criminals by raising black market prices.

You mean we should ban assault weapons and other war-like objects that can totally destroy someone in an instant. Guns are not the problem, it is the conscious mind behind the gun. Our US Constitution allows this to be because of the possibility of war and defense. Banning guns will not solve our crime problem, as they can be easily sold through black market or underground. You fix the economic system
and then the crime will go down as always.

Yes, this is completely true. The means to eliminating crime is to eliminate poverty. However, the 2nd Amendment gives us gun rights in the context of joining a militia (National Guard). It is not a blanket right.

I uderstand what you are saying. But guns are made, bought, and sold here in the
US because it is a business. Maybe we can stop selling cigarettes, over-the counter-drugs, toxic household products. Well, are they not dangerous, too ?
Of course they are. Again, it is about personal responsibility. You do not have to
misuse anything if you do not wish to. Unfortunately, people make the wrong decisions. You cannot take away our civil liberties simply because people break the law. Or do any harm to their own body, when they know very well they should not.

Guns do not just harm the people who use them; guns harm other people. We can limit the right to liberty when it comes into conflict with the rights of others.
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5/24/2012 9:57:22 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 9:25:46 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 5/24/2012 9:24:01 AM, inferno wrote:
At 5/24/2012 9:19:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 5/24/2012 8:58:09 AM, inferno wrote:
At 5/23/2012 6:08:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I support banning guns. It reduces access to criminals by raising black market prices.

You mean we should ban assault weapons and other war-like objects that can totally destroy someone in an instant. Guns are not the problem, it is the conscious mind behind the gun. Our US Constitution allows this to be because of the possibility of war and defense. Banning guns will not solve our crime problem, as they can be easily sold through black market or underground. You fix the economic system
and then the crime will go down as always.

Yes, this is completely true. The means to eliminating crime is to eliminate poverty. However, the 2nd Amendment gives us gun rights in the context of joining a militia (National Guard). It is not a blanket right.

I uderstand what you are saying. But guns are made, bought, and sold here in the
US because it is a business. Maybe we can stop selling cigarettes, over-the counter-drugs, toxic household products. Well, are they not dangerous, too ?
Of course they are. Again, it is about personal responsibility. You do not have to
misuse anything if you do not wish to. Unfortunately, people make the wrong decisions. You cannot take away our civil liberties simply because people break the law. Or do any harm to their own body, when they know very well they should not.

Guns do not just harm the people who use them; guns harm other people. We can limit the right to liberty when it comes into conflict with the rights of others.

Guns only harm people when they are misused. Otherwise, it is not different than a knife, ax, bat, or any other object which can be used for protection.
Conflict is an unwritten law. If people are acting our of term or in anger, then they are the ones at fault. Not the gun.
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5/24/2012 10:02:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 9:57:22 AM, inferno wrote:
At 5/24/2012 9:25:46 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 5/24/2012 9:24:01 AM, inferno wrote:
At 5/24/2012 9:19:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 5/24/2012 8:58:09 AM, inferno wrote:
At 5/23/2012 6:08:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I support banning guns. It reduces access to criminals by raising black market prices.

You mean we should ban assault weapons and other war-like objects that can totally destroy someone in an instant. Guns are not the problem, it is the conscious mind behind the gun. Our US Constitution allows this to be because of the possibility of war and defense. Banning guns will not solve our crime problem, as they can be easily sold through black market or underground. You fix the economic system
and then the crime will go down as always.

Yes, this is completely true. The means to eliminating crime is to eliminate poverty. However, the 2nd Amendment gives us gun rights in the context of joining a militia (National Guard). It is not a blanket right.

I uderstand what you are saying. But guns are made, bought, and sold here in the
US because it is a business. Maybe we can stop selling cigarettes, over-the counter-drugs, toxic household products. Well, are they not dangerous, too ?
Of course they are. Again, it is about personal responsibility. You do not have to
misuse anything if you do not wish to. Unfortunately, people make the wrong decisions. You cannot take away our civil liberties simply because people break the law. Or do any harm to their own body, when they know very well they should not.

Guns do not just harm the people who use them; guns harm other people. We can limit the right to liberty when it comes into conflict with the rights of others.

Guns only harm people when they are misused.
What is the proper use for a gun?
Otherwise, it is not different than a knife, ax, bat, or any other object which can be used for protection.
Those objects all have other intrinsic purposes besides killing others. Killing is a misuse of those materials. The same cannot be said for guns.
Conflict is an unwritten law. If people are acting our of term or in anger, then they are the ones at fault. Not the gun.
True, but restricting access to non-hunting models limits their ability to act.
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5/24/2012 10:09:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 10:02:10 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 5/24/2012 9:57:22 AM, inferno wrote:
At 5/24/2012 9:25:46 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 5/24/2012 9:24:01 AM, inferno wrote:
At 5/24/2012 9:19:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 5/24/2012 8:58:09 AM, inferno wrote:
At 5/23/2012 6:08:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
I support banning guns. It reduces access to criminals by raising black market prices.

You mean we should ban assault weapons and other war-like objects that can totally destroy someone in an instant. Guns are not the problem, it is the conscious mind behind the gun. Our US Constitution allows this to be because of the possibility of war and defense. Banning guns will not solve our crime problem, as they can be easily sold through black market or underground. You fix the economic system
and then the crime will go down as always.

Yes, this is completely true. The means to eliminating crime is to eliminate poverty. However, the 2nd Amendment gives us gun rights in the context of joining a militia (National Guard). It is not a blanket right.

I uderstand what you are saying. But guns are made, bought, and sold here in the
US because it is a business. Maybe we can stop selling cigarettes, over-the counter-drugs, toxic household products. Well, are they not dangerous, too ?
Of course they are. Again, it is about personal responsibility. You do not have to
misuse anything if you do not wish to. Unfortunately, people make the wrong decisions. You cannot take away our civil liberties simply because people break the law. Or do any harm to their own body, when they know very well they should not.

Guns do not just harm the people who use them; guns harm other people. We can limit the right to liberty when it comes into conflict with the rights of others.

Guns only harm people when they are misused.
What is the proper use for a gun?
To hunt, hurt, or kill in the act or of defense.

Otherwise, it is not different than a knife, ax, bat, or any other object which can be used for protection.
Those objects all have other intrinsic purposes besides killing others. Killing is a misuse of those materials. The same cannot be said for guns.
Guns can be used to harm and not kill. It depends on how one uses it.
Conflict is an unwritten law. If people are acting our of term or in anger, then they are the ones at fault. Not the gun.
True, but restricting access to non-hunting models limits their ability to act.
Hunting or not. A gun is a gun. It is an object. People control this object, and it can only be harmful when it is not used correctly. Most homes that have guns are safe. Otherwise, they would not be allowed to be sold in the general public.