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royalpaladin
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7/16/2012 4:59:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Who is smarter, girls or boys? It's a perennial battle of the sexes that rages in schoolyards and over dinner tables across the nation. According new research by James Flynn, a world-renowned expert on IQ testing, the answer is that women are starting to edge out their male counterparts in the brains department.

Watch: Do Women Have Themselves to Blame for Work-Family Imbalances?

Flynn examined data from western European countries, the United States, Canada, New Zealand, Argentina and Estonia and found that for the first time in a century of testing, women are scoring higher than men on IQ examinations. Until recently, women's scores lagged behind men's by as much as five percent leading some scientists to claim that men were inherently more intelligent than women. Over the decades, men's and women's scores have both improved, but women's have surged more dramatically. "The full effect of modernity on women is only just emerging," Flynn told the Sunday Times of London.

Related: Women Outnumber Men on London-Bound US Olympic Team

IQ, or "intelligence quotient" tests were developed in the early 20th Century. They rate a subject's aptitude for solving problems and understanding concepts compared with the general population. Tests generally examine language ability, mathematic ability, memory, and spatial ability. A score of over 130 indicates exceptional intelligence with the median score being about 100.

While multi-tasking has gotten a bad wrap in some psychological literature, Flynn speculates that the demands put on women's brains when they juggle work and family may have helped boost their scores. Another possibility he cites is that women have a higher potential for intelligence--which is emerging as they are given more opportunities to compete in the world outside the home. Flynn is currently working on a book on the subject of gender and IQ and says more research needs to be done in order to fully understand the results.

In the United States, this research coincides with statistics that show women now make up more than half of college undergraduates and hold more advanced degrees than men.

Do you think women are smarter than men? Please share your thoughts in the comments section below.

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7/16/2012 5:01:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/16/2012 4:59:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Can't wait until males are subservient :)

Ditto. So sick of thinking.
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7/16/2012 5:18:56 PM
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The deathblow to sexism has been struck 100 years ago.
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7/16/2012 5:20:23 PM
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Huge changes in IQ tests like that don't happen because of genetics or any natural processes; in fact, they probably occurred because women, especially non-white women, are now given better educational opportunities than their male counterparts because of affirmative action.
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7/16/2012 5:20:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/16/2012 4:59:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Can't wait until males are subservient :)

Issues with the opposite sex again. This is old and dead.
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7/16/2012 5:21:04 PM
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At 7/16/2012 4:59:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Can't wait until males are subservient :)

I'm shocked at your insensitivity you sexist troglodyte.
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7/16/2012 5:21:49 PM
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At 7/16/2012 4:59:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Can't wait until males are subservient :)

Doesn't sexism go both ways?
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7/16/2012 6:42:31 PM
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Individual variance is also important. If I average n numbers and get 100, that could mean a lot of things. It could mean that all of the numbers hover around 100, or that all of the numbers except for a few high-rollers sit on the lower end of things.

To avoid going off on a long diatribe, the tl;dr of it is that IQ is an awful metric, made worse by oppositional grouping and generalizations about which group gets to be superior.
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7/16/2012 7:23:35 PM
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If you accept this as accurate, then you must have accepted decades of "proof" that men have been smarter than women. For decades, feminists have stated, when shown IQ test results, that the tests don't matter, they are faulty in some way or another. Now, when they are showing different results are they suddenly accurate? Can anyone name that fallacy?
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7/16/2012 7:32:52 PM
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At 7/16/2012 7:23:35 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
If you accept this as accurate, then you must have accepted decades of "proof" that men have been smarter than women. For decades, feminists have stated, when shown IQ test results, that the tests don't matter, they are faulty in some way or another. Now, when they are showing different results are they suddenly accurate? Can anyone name that fallacy?

Fallacy trivia isn't my strong suit, but I'll take a guess...

Affirmation fallacy?

No true Scotsman would ever be caught using an affirmation fallacy. If-by-whiskey fallacies are more fun anyway.
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7/16/2012 7:33:55 PM
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At 7/16/2012 7:23:35 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
If you accept this as accurate, then you must have accepted decades of "proof" that men have been smarter than women. For decades, feminists have stated, when shown IQ test results, that the tests don't matter, they are faulty in some way or another. Now, when they are showing different results are they suddenly accurate? Can anyone name that fallacy?

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7/16/2012 9:13:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/16/2012 7:23:35 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
If you accept this as accurate, then you must have accepted decades of "proof" that men have been smarter than women. For decades, feminists have stated, when shown IQ test results, that the tests don't matter, they are faulty in some way or another. Now, when they are showing different results are they suddenly accurate? Can anyone name that fallacy?

Actually, what these results really indicate is that expansion of opportunities to people empower them and affect the IQ scores. It really cuts away at nonsense about African Americans being less intelligent.
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7/16/2012 9:50:08 PM
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The question of intellegence is not relevant, can you bring home the bacon and build a better mouse trap, that is what is important. Being book smart doesn't pay the bills.
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7/16/2012 9:52:41 PM
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At 7/16/2012 9:13:46 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/16/2012 7:23:35 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
If you accept this as accurate, then you must have accepted decades of "proof" that men have been smarter than women. For decades, feminists have stated, when shown IQ test results, that the tests don't matter, they are faulty in some way or another. Now, when they are showing different results are they suddenly accurate? Can anyone name that fallacy?

Actually, what these results really indicate is that expansion of opportunities to people empower them and affect the IQ scores. It really cuts away at nonsense about African Americans being less intelligent.

I didn't want to go off topic, so I made another thread.

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7/16/2012 9:53:20 PM
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At 7/16/2012 9:50:08 PM, sadolite wrote:
The question of intellegence is not relevant, can you bring home the bacon and build a better mouse trap, that is what is important. Being book smart doesn't pay the bills.

Though smarts (and IQ scores) have a strong correlation with "bringing home the bacon."
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7/16/2012 10:42:07 PM
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At 7/16/2012 9:13:46 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/16/2012 7:23:35 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
If you accept this as accurate, then you must have accepted decades of "proof" that men have been smarter than women. For decades, feminists have stated, when shown IQ test results, that the tests don't matter, they are faulty in some way or another. Now, when they are showing different results are they suddenly accurate? Can anyone name that fallacy?

Actually, what these results really indicate is that expansion of opportunities to people empower them and affect the IQ scores. It really cuts away at nonsense about African Americans being less intelligent.

So do squirrels lack the intelligent of humans because they've been repressed for so many years? I'm sure If we just put these people in schooling and give them the opportunity of other humans, then they can reach the intelligent of humans.

This is such a fail "rebuttal" of the heridetarian position.
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royalpaladin
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7/17/2012 6:38:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/16/2012 10:42:07 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 7/16/2012 9:13:46 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 7/16/2012 7:23:35 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
If you accept this as accurate, then you must have accepted decades of "proof" that men have been smarter than women. For decades, feminists have stated, when shown IQ test results, that the tests don't matter, they are faulty in some way or another. Now, when they are showing different results are they suddenly accurate? Can anyone name that fallacy?

Actually, what these results really indicate is that expansion of opportunities to people empower them and affect the IQ scores. It really cuts away at nonsense about African Americans being less intelligent.

So do squirrels lack the intelligent of humans because they've been repressed for so many years? I'm sure If we just put these people in schooling and give them the opportunity of other humans, then they can reach the intelligent of humans.

That's a pretty nice strawman that you've constructed. Squirrels lack basic mental capabilities that humans have. My point was that humans have the same mental capacities and that differences are a result of educational opportunities.

Unless you are willing to concede that you are inferior to females, you lose.

Looks like Knukle changed his stance on IQ tests by the way :p

This is such a fail "rebuttal" of the heridetarian position.

No, you just set up a strawman. Principle of Charity, please.
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7/18/2012 3:04:44 PM
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At 7/16/2012 4:59:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Can't wait until males are subservient :)

That is so very evident of a "deathblow to sexism". (that was sarcasm for the less bright ones)
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7/18/2012 3:06:17 PM
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Yes, this is clearly a death blow to ONE sexism, but the birth of another.
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7/19/2012 11:08:40 PM
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Actually, what these results really indicate is that expansion of opportunities to people empower them and affect the IQ scores
They don't demonstrate anything except exactly what they say. Multiple causations for those results are possible.

"Opportunity" isn't even an objective thing.
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7/24/2012 11:47:40 PM
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At 7/16/2012 4:59:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Can't wait until males are subservient :)

apparently its alive and well.

i wouldnt get too excited by these results, judging from this quote and your title you arent one of the ones bringing up the average.
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7/24/2012 11:52:20 PM
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also while the price of college degrees is going up the value of them is going down. and while they may be going to college at a rate higher than males what about after? who is more likely to get a job? thats a pretty important thing to note when considering that statistic.
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7/25/2012 5:07:36 PM
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At 7/16/2012 4:59:21 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Who is smarter, girls or boys? It's a perennial battle of the sexes that rages in schoolyards and over dinner tables across the nation. According new research by James Flynn, a world-renowned expert on IQ testing, the answer is that women are starting to edge out their male counterparts in the brains department.

Watch: Do Women Have Themselves to Blame for Work-Family Imbalances?

Flynn examined data from western European countries, the United States, Canada, New Zealand, Argentina and Estonia and found that for the first time in a century of testing, women are scoring higher than men on IQ examinations. Until recently, women's scores lagged behind men's by as much as five percent leading some scientists to claim that men were inherently more intelligent than women. Over the decades, men's and women's scores have both improved, but women's have surged more dramatically. "The full effect of modernity on women is only just emerging," Flynn told the Sunday Times of London.

Related: Women Outnumber Men on London-Bound US Olympic Team

IQ, or "intelligence quotient" tests were developed in the early 20th Century. They rate a subject's aptitude for solving problems and understanding concepts compared with the general population. Tests generally examine language ability, mathematic ability, memory, and spatial ability. A score of over 130 indicates exceptional intelligence with the median score being about 100.

While multi-tasking has gotten a bad wrap in some psychological literature, Flynn speculates that the demands put on women's brains when they juggle work and family may have helped boost their scores. Another possibility he cites is that women have a higher potential for intelligence--which is emerging as they are given more opportunities to compete in the world outside the home. Flynn is currently working on a book on the subject of gender and IQ and says more research needs to be done in order to fully understand the results.

In the United States, this research coincides with statistics that show women now make up more than half of college undergraduates and hold more advanced degrees than men.

Do you think women are smarter than men? Please share your thoughts in the comments section below.

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