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9/3/2009 9:24:34 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
I was just wondering why do some of my fellow conservatives take the term liberal arts literally, as in they think its a bunch of elitist professors brain washing the kids with liberalism?

Wikipedia's Page on Liberal Arts: The contemporary liberal arts comprise studying art, literature, languages, philosophy, politics, history, mathematics, and science.
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9/3/2009 12:42:11 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Because 79.6% of social science teachers in college vote
Democrat, 9% vote Republican, and except for math and science, the split is probably bigger for the rest.
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9/3/2009 12:44:19 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 12:42:11 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Because 79.6% of social science teachers in college vote
Democrat, 9% vote Republican, and except for math and science, the split is probably bigger for the rest.

9% of scientists are Republicans
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9/3/2009 12:51:04 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Well, that would mean it isn't bigger, now is it?

And what percent of scientists are democrats? Scientists are probably statistically less likely than average to have an ideology :).
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9/3/2009 1:01:32 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 12:51:04 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Well, that would mean it isn't bigger, now is it?

And what percent of scientists are democrats? Scientists are probably statistically less likely than average to have an ideology :).

I need to correct myself it was 6% sorry.

I believe it was 55% who were democrats and the rest were independent however when you look at how they identify themselves ideologically its starker:
9% describe themselves as conservative 52% as liberal and 14% as Very Liberal
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9/3/2009 1:04:57 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 1:02:42 PM, Nags wrote:
I believe something like 65% of PhD's are agnostic/atheist.

That has nothing to do with the topic.
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9/3/2009 1:09:25 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 1:04:57 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 9/3/2009 1:02:42 PM, Nags wrote:
I believe something like 65% of PhD's are agnostic/atheist.

That has nothing to do with the topic.

...

Yes. It kinda does. You are talking about the % of scientists who are ideologically conservative-liberal. I talk about % of PhDs who are atheist. A lot of Christian Conservatives would find atheism liberal. So, yeah...
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9/3/2009 1:11:40 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 1:09:25 PM, Nags wrote:
At 9/3/2009 1:04:57 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 9/3/2009 1:02:42 PM, Nags wrote:
I believe something like 65% of PhD's are agnostic/atheist.

That has nothing to do with the topic.

...

Yes. It kinda does. You are talking about the % of scientists who are ideologically conservative-liberal. I talk about % of PhDs who are atheist. A lot of Christian Conservatives would find atheism liberal.

Which doesn't make it the case. The fact that Christian Conservatives think atheism has anything to do with modern liberalism is utterly irrelevant to whether it does. And it does not, as I am an atheist who has nothing to do with modern liberalism :).
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9/3/2009 2:11:49 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
There's no question in my mind that the arts (generally speaking) DO have a liberal bias: and not just politically but, more importantly, morally.
Consider hollywood comedy movies. If a comedy is to be a success it MUST 'push the boat out' as it were.. it must go where no comedy has gone before.
So we have a drip effect of moral corrosion in the arts in general and in TV and movies in particular.
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9/3/2009 2:53:36 PM
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Is it any coincidence then that extreme-right wing fascist regimes persecute intellectuals?

They are afraid that the general public might discover the truth - in a slightly milder form, that's why Fox News doesn't give liberals or intelligent commentators a fair crack of the whip.
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9/3/2009 3:21:33 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 2:53:36 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Is it any coincidence then that extreme-right wing fascist regimes persecute intellectuals?
Correction, they persecute the other side's intellectuals. Kind of like extreme left-wing regimes persecute-- the other side's intellectuals.


They are afraid that the general public might discover the truth - in a slightly milder form, that's why Fox News doesn't give liberals or intelligent commentators a fair crack of the whip.
Or vice verse with MSNBC?
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9/3/2009 3:27:02 PM
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At 9/3/2009 3:21:33 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 9/3/2009 2:53:36 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
They are afraid that the general public might discover the truth - in a slightly milder form, that's why Fox News doesn't give liberals or intelligent commentators a fair crack of the whip.
Or vice verse with MSNBC?

Fox actually does have liberal commentators. Every single host debates, unlike MSNBC or CNN.
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9/3/2009 3:32:19 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
He meant a "fair crack," as in hosts who aren't hired as punching bags :).
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9/3/2009 4:40:16 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 12:42:11 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Because 79.6% of social science teachers in college vote
Democrat, 9% vote Republican, and except for math and science, the split is probably bigger for the rest.

yep... my school is a lib arts school
and just last week they sent a massive email to every student and alumni inviting them to look inside of themselves and if they have ever questioned there sexuality to come to the
"coming out party".

I am not kidding.
they had a huge event called, "the coming out party" to try to help people come out... and convince you that if you have ever thought about it, you are 9 times out of 10 gay

it was a huge success, in their eyes, as they sent another huge email stating how almost everyone that showed up "came out" in some way or another.
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9/3/2009 4:59:23 PM
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it was a huge success, in their eyes, as they sent another huge email stating how almost everyone that showed up "came out" in some way or another.
Out? Wow, that's a lotta mess to clean up. I feel kinda sorry for the janitor.
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9/3/2009 6:24:40 PM
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I was taught that majoring in Liberal Arts is a great way to get disowned if you weren't aiming to be a lawyer.
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9/4/2009 9:18:59 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 3:21:33 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 9/3/2009 2:53:36 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Is it any coincidence then that extreme-right wing fascist regimes persecute intellectuals?
Correction, they persecute the other side's intellectuals. Kind of like extreme left-wing regimes persecute-- the other side's intellectuals.

They persecute intellectuals per se.
Pol Pol persecuted intellectuals: He indentified them by their wearing of spectacles..
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9/4/2009 10:48:15 AM
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Pol Pot does not = all fascist or communist gov'ts.

SOME governments persecute intellectuals per se. Others just persecute the other side's. This is the more ubiquitous model, for it is the more adaptive.
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9/4/2009 11:01:41 AM
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At 9/4/2009 10:48:15 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Pol Pot does not = all fascist or communist gov'ts.

SOME governments persecute intellectuals per se. Others just persecute the other side's. This is the more ubiquitous model, for it is the more adaptive.

Sure. It's not a cut n' dry thing.
BUT dictatorships that often begin by being intellectually strong OFTEN end up cannibalizing its own intelligentsia.
Thinkers such as Trotsky are pushed out as thugs such as Stalin rise through the ranks.
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9/4/2009 12:02:14 PM
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At 9/3/2009 9:24:34 AM, ReganFan wrote:
I was just wondering why do some of my fellow conservatives take the term liberal arts literally, as in they think its a bunch of elitist professors brain washing the kids with liberalism?

Wikipedia's Page on Liberal Arts: The contemporary liberal arts comprise studying art, literature, languages, philosophy, politics, history, mathematics, and science.

Because they failed in education, and as a result are now ignorant and angry.
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9/4/2009 1:58:35 PM
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At 9/4/2009 12:02:14 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 9/3/2009 9:24:34 AM, ReganFan wrote:
I was just wondering why do some of my fellow conservatives take the term liberal arts literally, as in they think its a bunch of elitist professors brain washing the kids with liberalism?

Wikipedia's Page on Liberal Arts: The contemporary liberal arts comprise studying art, literature, languages, philosophy, politics, history, mathematics, and science.

Because they failed in education, and as a result are now ignorant and angry.

Q 1)
Does a homosexual desire automatically make one a homosexual?
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9/4/2009 4:51:43 PM
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The term "homosexual" is, as a standard, defined in terms of desire.
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9/4/2009 9:46:25 PM
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Q 1)
Does a homosexual desire automatically make one a homosexual?

Yes. Desire for women also makes someone heterosexual.
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9/4/2009 9:50:24 PM
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At 9/4/2009 9:46:25 PM, ReganFan wrote:
Q 1)
Does a homosexual desire automatically make one a homosexual?

Yes. Desire for women also makes someone heterosexual.

What if they desire both the same sex and the opposite sex? What if, and I'm only thinking here, that someone only "desires" the same sex in terms of, "I'd like to be their friend." Is that homosexual desire?

What if any man you idealize, say this Reagan fellow, is actually a sort of attraction. Does it make you homosexual?
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9/4/2009 10:09:59 PM
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At 9/4/2009 9:50:24 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 9/4/2009 9:46:25 PM, ReganFan wrote:
Q 1)
Does a homosexual desire automatically make one a homosexual?

Yes. Desire for women also makes someone heterosexual.

What if they desire both the same sex and the opposite sex? What if, and I'm only thinking here, that someone only "desires" the same sex in terms of, "I'd like to be their friend." Is that homosexual desire?

What if any man you idealize, say this Reagan fellow, is actually a sort of attraction. Does it make you homosexual?

Obviously by desire, it was meant-- DESIRE TO F***.
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9/4/2009 11:34:05 PM
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At 9/4/2009 10:09:59 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Obviously by desire, it was meant-- DESIRE TO F***.

What is the desire for sex but a desire for companionship, and how is that desire different from the desire to have bonds with others? People seem to believe that sexual attraction and platonic attraction are somehow separate; when in reality, all both are is desires for companionship, just expressed in different ways.