Total Posts:70|Showing Posts:1-30|Last Page
Jump to topic:

Human-wide Immortality?

DetectableNinja
Posts: 6,043
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/8/2012 6:15:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Stumbled upon this interesting article about the possibility for not only the extending of human lifespans up to 2,000 years, but also the practical immortality of all humans, as well a the possible ressurection of every human who's ever lived: http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

What do you think? Is it nutty? Possible? Also, is this a good thing? Bad? Etc.? What do you think?
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou
Or any man that breathes on earth.

- Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
LaissezFaire
Posts: 2,050
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/8/2012 6:46:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I think it's certainly possible, perhaps even likely, that some people alive today will be immortal. It would definitely be a good thing--really, the best thing to ever happen.
Should we subsidize education?
http://www.debate.org...

http://mises.org...

http://lewrockwell.com...

http://antiwar.com...

: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
Mirza
Posts: 16,992
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/8/2012 7:13:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Won't happen, but if any such technology that can, in theory, make one immortal, happens to be discovered, I'm sure it would be accompanied with technology that greatly reduces depression, anxiety, or bad mood in general, and even reduce the chances of these illnesses occurring. That would make immortality quite more appealing, since one would be able to deal with losses of friends and family much easier. (Or simply deal much more effectively with other misfortunes.)
16kadams
Posts: 10,497
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/8/2012 7:13:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/8/2012 6:46:42 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
I think it's certainly possible, perhaps even likely, that some people alive today will be immortal. It would definitely be a good thing--really, the best thing to ever happen.

Wouldn't we eventually overcrowd?
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
Maikuru
Posts: 9,112
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/8/2012 7:48:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/8/2012 7:01:53 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
I wouldn't want to live forever given this state of existence.

I'll take his.
"You assume I wouldn't want to burn this whole place to the ground."
- lamerde

https://i.imgflip.com...
LaissezFaire
Posts: 2,050
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 12:33:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/8/2012 7:13:53 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/8/2012 6:46:42 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
I think it's certainly possible, perhaps even likely, that some people alive today will be immortal. It would definitely be a good thing--really, the best thing to ever happen.

Wouldn't we eventually overcrowd?

No. We're a long, long way from being overcrowded--we'd colonize other planets before that happened.
Should we subsidize education?
http://www.debate.org...

http://mises.org...

http://lewrockwell.com...

http://antiwar.com...

: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
HelterSkelter
Posts: 281
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 6:46:41 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/8/2012 7:13:53 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/8/2012 6:46:42 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
I think it's certainly possible, perhaps even likely, that some people alive today will be immortal. It would definitely be a good thing--really, the best thing to ever happen.

Wouldn't we eventually overcrowd?

We'd probably colonize other celestial bodies or sterilize immortal humans.
LaissezFaire
Posts: 2,050
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 7:24:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 6:47:23 AM, HelterSkelter wrote:
I don't like this. It'll lead to class warfare.

Why? Perhaps only the rich would be able to afford it at first, but every technology gets cheaper and cheaper over time. Only the rich could afford cell phones in the 80s--but now even people in the 3rd world can afford them.
Should we subsidize education?
http://www.debate.org...

http://mises.org...

http://lewrockwell.com...

http://antiwar.com...

: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
Ren
Posts: 7,102
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 7:49:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/8/2012 6:15:28 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Stumbled upon this interesting article about the possibility for not only the extending of human lifespans up to 2,000 years, but also the practical immortality of all humans, as well a the possible ressurection of every human who's ever lived: http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

What do you think? Is it nutty? Possible? Also, is this a good thing? Bad? Etc.? What do you think?

I've been seeing more and more of this being stated by various news outlets. Most are keeping their claims modest -- that currently emerging generations could live up to 150 or longer.

I think the degree that people suffer is infuriating, vis a vis our medical advancement. However, only certain people can afford such advancement. The majority of us are getting treatment from 30 - 50 years ago.
drafterman
Posts: 18,870
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 7:54:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 6:47:23 AM, HelterSkelter wrote:
I don't like this. It'll lead to class warfare.

No worries. After all, the exploding population of the immortal elite will need something/one to eat.
DetectableNinja
Posts: 6,043
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 8:42:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
The part I'm most taken aback by is the idea of resurrecting every human who's ever lived.
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou
Or any man that breathes on earth.

- Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
PARADIGM_L0ST
Posts: 6,958
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 8:59:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/8/2012 6:15:28 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Stumbled upon this interesting article about the possibility for not only the extending of human lifespans up to 2,000 years, but also the practical immortality of all humans, as well a the possible ressurection of every human who's ever lived: http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

What do you think? Is it nutty? Possible? Also, is this a good thing? Bad? Etc.? What do you think?:

It's not even remotely possible at this point in time. Humans can't even definitively cure something as simple as cancer, but now there is a proposal that can resurrect humans from the dead? Nonsense. First of all, you would need DNA of the dead, and only in extreme cases can you find several thousand year old bones with enough DNA. Moreover, if that was possible, they would have synthesized dinosaur DNA by now.

Even more importantly, it would be utterly catastrophic. A sharp rise in human population would result in mass death (cells need fuel, fuel comes in the form of nutrition).

Stupid. Accept the fact that one day, we will all die. Embrace the inescapable reality.
"Have you ever considered suicide? If not, please do." -- Mouthwash (to Inferno)
PARADIGM_L0ST
Posts: 6,958
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 9:00:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 12:33:14 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 8/8/2012 7:13:53 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 8/8/2012 6:46:42 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
I think it's certainly possible, perhaps even likely, that some people alive today will be immortal. It would definitely be a good thing--really, the best thing to ever happen.

Wouldn't we eventually overcrowd?

No. We're a long, long way from being overcrowded--we'd colonize other planets before that happened.:

Placing the cart way before the horse. This is unprovable theory based upon more unprovable theory.
"Have you ever considered suicide? If not, please do." -- Mouthwash (to Inferno)
PARADIGM_L0ST
Posts: 6,958
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 9:04:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 7:24:37 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 8/9/2012 6:47:23 AM, HelterSkelter wrote:
I don't like this. It'll lead to class warfare.

Why? Perhaps only the rich would be able to afford it at first, but every technology gets cheaper and cheaper over time. Only the rich could afford cell phones in the 80s--but now even people in the 3rd world can afford them.:

Borne in with this idea is the unintended consequence of creating a new kind of discrimination. The new discrimination details how those who have been genetically engineered have a preferential advantage over those who have not. Those who were born naturally, like you or I, could be shoved aside for the man who has the documentation proving that he was genetically engineered. Because he's supposed to be healthier and smarter, we who are not fortunate are cast aside.

The population of the genetically altered people increases because it's now becoming cheaper as the demand is higher. The superhumans are beginning to populate at a rate competitive with those conceived by completely natural means. The superhumans snub their nose at those who are deemed inferior, and it progressively gets worse with time. For example, insurance agencies would be able to look at one's genome and decide if you are eligible for coverage by seeing if you are pre-disposed to specific diseases.
"Have you ever considered suicide? If not, please do." -- Mouthwash (to Inferno)
PARADIGM_L0ST
Posts: 6,958
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 9:07:16 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 8:42:45 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
The part I'm most taken aback by is the idea of resurrecting every human who's ever lived.:

How are you supposed to feed every human that's ever lived? How are you going to house every single human that's ever lived? How are you supposed to extract DNA from every single human that's ever lived?

Pure fiction.
"Have you ever considered suicide? If not, please do." -- Mouthwash (to Inferno)
LaissezFaire
Posts: 2,050
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 9:15:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 9:04:50 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 8/9/2012 7:24:37 AM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 8/9/2012 6:47:23 AM, HelterSkelter wrote:
I don't like this. It'll lead to class warfare.

Why? Perhaps only the rich would be able to afford it at first, but every technology gets cheaper and cheaper over time. Only the rich could afford cell phones in the 80s--but now even people in the 3rd world can afford them.:

Borne in with this idea is the unintended consequence of creating a new kind of discrimination. The new discrimination details how those who have been genetically engineered have a preferential advantage over those who have not. Those who were born naturally, like you or I, could be shoved aside for the man who has the documentation proving that he was genetically engineered. Because he's supposed to be healthier and smarter, we who are not fortunate are cast aside.

The population of the genetically altered people increases because it's now becoming cheaper as the demand is higher. The superhumans are beginning to populate at a rate competitive with those conceived by completely natural means. The superhumans snub their nose at those who are deemed inferior, and it progressively gets worse with time. For example, insurance agencies would be able to look at one's genome and decide if you are eligible for coverage by seeing if you are pre-disposed to specific diseases.

Genetic engineering is only one of many possible ways we could achieve immortality. It may even not be the only way to make 'superhumans'--other technologies could give us 'natural born' people the same strengths genetically enhanced people have.

Anyway, I think genetic engineering would make people more equal, not less. Some people are already genetically predisposed to be healthier or smarter than others--genetic engineering only gives us the possibility of eliminating that. We wouldn't have to worry about insurance companies discriminating against those with genetic diseases, because those diseases would be eliminated. And how is people who are genetically engineered to be superior getting jobs ahead of those that aren't any different from people who randomly happened to be born genetically superior getting jobs ahead of those that weren't?

With genetic engineering, no one has to be born with disease any more. No one has to be born with autism or mental retardation because of defective genes. Is that really more unequal than the current system?
Should we subsidize education?
http://www.debate.org...

http://mises.org...

http://lewrockwell.com...

http://antiwar.com...

: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
DetectableNinja
Posts: 6,043
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 10:22:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 9:07:16 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 8/9/2012 8:42:45 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
The part I'm most taken aback by is the idea of resurrecting every human who's ever lived.:

How are you supposed to feed every human that's ever lived? How are you going to house every single human that's ever lived? How are you supposed to extract DNA from every single human that's ever lived?

Pure fiction.

I never said it was possible. I said I was taken aback by it. It's an intriguing thought.
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou
Or any man that breathes on earth.

- Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
16kadams
Posts: 10,497
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 10:47:48 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 8:42:45 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
The part I'm most taken aback by is the idea of resurrecting every human who's ever lived.

Reagan!!
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
thett3
Posts: 14,348
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 12:46:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I would never, ever, EVEEER come anywhere close to wanting immortality. I already get tired of existence enough, and I'm just a kid. I certainly hope they never find this. Death is a natural part of life, to take it away is to take away the greatest meaning in life.
DDO Vice President

#StandwithBossy

#UnbanTheMadman

#BetOnThett

"Don't quote me, ever." -Max

"My name is max. I'm not a big fan of slacks"- Max rapping

"Walmart should have the opportunity to bribe a politician to it's agenda" -Max

"Thett, you're really good at convincing people you're a decent person"-tulle

"You fit the character of Regina George quite nicely"- Sam

: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right
DetectableNinja
Posts: 6,043
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 12:48:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 12:46:54 PM, thett3 wrote:
I would never, ever, EVEEER come anywhere close to wanting immortality. I already get tired of existence enough, and I'm just a kid. I certainly hope they never find this. Death is a natural part of life, to take it away is to take away the greatest meaning in life.

Do we have to go back to our Facebook conversation?

z0mg we haz dooty to die ees nacherul.
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou
Or any man that breathes on earth.

- Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
thett3
Posts: 14,348
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 12:49:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 8:42:45 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
The part I'm most taken aback by is the idea of resurrecting every human who's ever lived.

How could that even be remotely possible? Other than recently deceased people, the brain has rotted away. You can potentially clone the DNA, but that isn't resurrection, that's just a cruel joke really.
DDO Vice President

#StandwithBossy

#UnbanTheMadman

#BetOnThett

"Don't quote me, ever." -Max

"My name is max. I'm not a big fan of slacks"- Max rapping

"Walmart should have the opportunity to bribe a politician to it's agenda" -Max

"Thett, you're really good at convincing people you're a decent person"-tulle

"You fit the character of Regina George quite nicely"- Sam

: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right
PARADIGM_L0ST
Posts: 6,958
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 12:58:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
P.L.'s Argument against Immortality: Imagine a world where Izbo, Inferno, and Charleslb never, ever go away, and then tell me how awesome it is.

Winner of this debate is: PARADIGM_L0ST
"Have you ever considered suicide? If not, please do." -- Mouthwash (to Inferno)
thett3
Posts: 14,348
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 1:00:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 12:58:15 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
P.L.'s Argument against Immortality: Imagine a world where Izbo, Inferno, and Charleslb never, ever go away, and then tell me how awesome it is.

Winner of this debate is: PARADIGM_L0ST

You make a compelling and irrefutable case.
DDO Vice President

#StandwithBossy

#UnbanTheMadman

#BetOnThett

"Don't quote me, ever." -Max

"My name is max. I'm not a big fan of slacks"- Max rapping

"Walmart should have the opportunity to bribe a politician to it's agenda" -Max

"Thett, you're really good at convincing people you're a decent person"-tulle

"You fit the character of Regina George quite nicely"- Sam

: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right
PARADIGM_L0ST
Posts: 6,958
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 1:03:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 1:00:18 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:58:15 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
P.L.'s Argument against Immortality: Imagine a world where Izbo, Inferno, and Charleslb never, ever go away, and then tell me how awesome it is.

Winner of this debate is: PARADIGM_L0ST

You make a compelling and irrefutable case.:

*nods solemnly*
"Have you ever considered suicide? If not, please do." -- Mouthwash (to Inferno)
LaissezFaire
Posts: 2,050
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 1:04:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 12:46:54 PM, thett3 wrote:
I would never, ever, EVEEER come anywhere close to wanting immortality. I already get tired of existence enough, and I'm just a kid. I certainly hope they never find this. Death is a natural part of life, to take it away is to take away the greatest meaning in life.

I don't think immortality would be mandatory--you could just choose not to be immortal, and let the rest of us live very long lives if we want to.

And it wouldn't be taking away death--it would just be delaying it for a very long time. People couldn't possibly literally live forever--at the very least, the universe will eventually end, although people would probably die in accidents, be murdered, or kill themselves long before then.
Should we subsidize education?
http://www.debate.org...

http://mises.org...

http://lewrockwell.com...

http://antiwar.com...

: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
thett3
Posts: 14,348
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 1:06:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/9/2012 1:04:37 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 8/9/2012 12:46:54 PM, thett3 wrote:
I would never, ever, EVEEER come anywhere close to wanting immortality. I already get tired of existence enough, and I'm just a kid. I certainly hope they never find this. Death is a natural part of life, to take it away is to take away the greatest meaning in life.

I don't think immortality would be mandatory--you could just choose not to be immortal, and let the rest of us live very long lives if we want to.

And it wouldn't be taking away death--it would just be delaying it for a very long time. People couldn't possibly literally live forever--at the very least, the universe will eventually end, although people would probably die in accidents, be murdered, or kill themselves long before then.

If wouldn't be mandatory (well, if governments continue on the path they're going, perhaps it will), but it essentially would. How could I justify to my loved ones that I must leave them and pass into nothingness? They would fight it to no end, so I doubt I would truly have a choice.

Instead of accepting my death as a part of nature, they would think of it bitterly as the consequence of my foolishness
DDO Vice President

#StandwithBossy

#UnbanTheMadman

#BetOnThett

"Don't quote me, ever." -Max

"My name is max. I'm not a big fan of slacks"- Max rapping

"Walmart should have the opportunity to bribe a politician to it's agenda" -Max

"Thett, you're really good at convincing people you're a decent person"-tulle

"You fit the character of Regina George quite nicely"- Sam

: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right
PARADIGM_L0ST
Posts: 6,958
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
8/9/2012 1:08:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I guess Life sentences in prison just got infinitely longer, amirite!?!

*crickets chirping*
"Have you ever considered suicide? If not, please do." -- Mouthwash (to Inferno)