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9/5/2009 6:34:05 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
"Our dad wasn't a racist. His best friend was a nigger."
"Wouldn't you rather date some a little less black?"
"Those f*cking crackers are...completely worthless."

These are a few of my family's recent highlights. I'm curious how many others here are exposed to similar racism within your families or inner circles.
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9/6/2009 6:41:10 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
[Note: We're now into Ireland]

My Dad isn't intentionally racist, sure there are many jokes he has told me, which is racist, but he's not the type to walk out of a pub if there's a Chinese person,or wipe his hand after shaking it with a Black person. As for immigration, each "Native" person is for it being reduced, which I think should happen.

Hell, when my house was being done up, there was one hard-working polish builder who would arrive 15 minutes before he was supposed to arrive (Let's be realistic, when do builders ever arrive on time to start with). He was content to stand out in the freezing winter cold and wait, but my Dad would let him inside.
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9/7/2009 12:49:33 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
My Grandmother was told, as a little girl, not to put coins in her mouth as " A black man may have touched it."

Shameful.
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9/7/2009 1:51:21 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/5/2009 11:28:57 PM, Puck wrote:
Certainly my parents are; of the racial type + negative stereotype = truth, variety.

Mine as well. Its natural to judge people based on how they look, because its the safest way to avoid danger. I consider myself fairly liberal when it comes to racism, but I've had many bad experiences being picked on by blacks and hispanics in NYC.

As you move into the professional world though, and get to have more friends of different backgrounds, you stop judging them by what race they are and properly judging people by the way they dress :)

One of my friends called me out because I was trying to steer away from this black person in full "gangster wear". I had to explain that I honestly don't care what he is, he could be the pastiest shade of white and I'd still stay the hell away from him.

On the subway, I'd rather sit next to a person wearing a suit and tie over a person wearing a do-rag and metal chains no matter what race they are >.>
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9/7/2009 1:58:14 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/7/2009 1:51:21 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 9/5/2009 11:28:57 PM, Puck wrote:
Certainly my parents are; of the racial type + negative stereotype = truth, variety.

Mine as well. Its natural to judge people based on how they look, because its the safest way to avoid danger. I consider myself fairly liberal when it comes to racism, but I've had many bad experiences being picked on by blacks and hispanics in NYC.

As you move into the professional world though, and get to have more friends of different backgrounds, you stop judging them by what race they are and properly judging people by the way they dress :)

One of my friends called me out because I was trying to steer away from this black person in full "gangster wear". I had to explain that I honestly don't care what he is, he could be the pastiest shade of white and I'd still stay the hell away from him.

On the subway, I'd rather sit next to a person wearing a suit and tie over a person wearing a do-rag and metal chains no matter what race they are >.>

Classist.

I too generally try to avoid people based on fashion. I make fun of people of different fashions too. You can't control your race,but you can dress decently
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9/7/2009 8:46:47 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/7/2009 1:58:14 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 9/7/2009 1:51:21 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 9/5/2009 11:28:57 PM, Puck wrote:
Certainly my parents are; of the racial type + negative stereotype = truth, variety.

Mine as well. Its natural to judge people based on how they look, because its the safest way to avoid danger. I consider myself fairly liberal when it comes to racism, but I've had many bad experiences being picked on by blacks and hispanics in NYC.

As you move into the professional world though, and get to have more friends of different backgrounds, you stop judging them by what race they are and properly judging people by the way they dress :)

One of my friends called me out because I was trying to steer away from this black person in full "gangster wear". I had to explain that I honestly don't care what he is, he could be the pastiest shade of white and I'd still stay the hell away from him.

On the subway, I'd rather sit next to a person wearing a suit and tie over a person wearing a do-rag and metal chains no matter what race they are >.>

Classist.

I too generally try to avoid people based on fashion. I make fun of people of different fashions too. You can't control your race,but you can dress decently

Well both of you would look down on me in real life, and it doesn't bother me one iota. My "uniform" is a polo shirt (a flannel if it's cold), shorts, no shoes. If I MUST wear footwear, I'll try to get away with sandals, if not I'll wear shoes, but I don't like it. Obviously I'll wear nice stuff to a job interview or funeral, and it doesn't bother me having to do so. As long as I can remember, this is the way I've dressed and I have no intention of changing, regardless how many snobs choose to treat me differently.
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

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9/8/2009 12:05:34 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/7/2009 8:46:47 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 9/7/2009 1:58:14 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 9/7/2009 1:51:21 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 9/5/2009 11:28:57 PM, Puck wrote:
Certainly my parents are; of the racial type + negative stereotype = truth, variety.

Mine as well. Its natural to judge people based on how they look, because its the safest way to avoid danger. I consider myself fairly liberal when it comes to racism, but I've had many bad experiences being picked on by blacks and hispanics in NYC.

As you move into the professional world though, and get to have more friends of different backgrounds, you stop judging them by what race they are and properly judging people by the way they dress :)

One of my friends called me out because I was trying to steer away from this black person in full "gangster wear". I had to explain that I honestly don't care what he is, he could be the pastiest shade of white and I'd still stay the hell away from him.

On the subway, I'd rather sit next to a person wearing a suit and tie over a person wearing a do-rag and metal chains no matter what race they are >.>

Classist.

I too generally try to avoid people based on fashion. I make fun of people of different fashions too. You can't control your race,but you can dress decently

Well both of you would look down on me in real life, and it doesn't bother me one iota. My "uniform" is a polo shirt (a flannel if it's cold), shorts, no shoes. If I MUST wear footwear, I'll try to get away with sandals, if not I'll wear shoes, but I don't like it. Obviously I'll wear nice stuff to a job interview or funeral, and it doesn't bother me having to do so. As long as I can remember, this is the way I've dressed and I have no intention of changing, regardless how many snobs choose to treat me differently.

I wouldn't look too much down on you. I understand a different climate calls for different clothing.

I just don't understand why some people can't just wear a nice T-shirt and jeans.
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9/8/2009 3:03:57 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
I think many people have some residual racism, and its important not to panic or wring our hands in despair at this, but just to recognise it. At the same time it's difficult to work out if it is, as people have suggested more based on class or clothing.
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9/8/2009 5:34:50 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/8/2009 3:03:57 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
I think many people have some residual racism, and its important not to panic or wring our hands in despair at this, but just to recognise it. At the same time it's difficult to work out if it is, as people have suggested more based on class or clothing.

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9/8/2009 6:36:17 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/7/2009 8:46:47 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
Well both of you would look down on me in real life, and it doesn't bother me one iota. My "uniform" is a polo shirt (a flannel if it's cold), shorts, no shoes.

That's not that bad. I wouldn't look down on you one bit. In fact, that describes how I dress about 75% of the time.

Except I always wear sneakers, and it's getting too cold for shorts so I either wear jeans or khakis.

The other 25% of the time, I wear shirt, tie, dress pants, and lab coat.

I'm not sure where you are, but it must be nice if you don't have to wear shoes. There's glass and other terrible things on city pavement here in NY.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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9/8/2009 6:39:12 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/8/2009 6:36:17 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 9/7/2009 8:46:47 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
Well both of you would look down on me in real life, and it doesn't bother me one iota. My "uniform" is a polo shirt (a flannel if it's cold), shorts, no shoes.

I'm not sure where you are, but it must be nice if you don't have to wear shoes. There's glass and other terrible things on city pavement here in NY.

How can you not wear shoes?
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9/8/2009 6:53:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/8/2009 6:36:17 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 9/7/2009 8:46:47 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
Well both of you would look down on me in real life, and it doesn't bother me one iota. My "uniform" is a polo shirt (a flannel if it's cold), shorts, no shoes.

That's not that bad. I wouldn't look down on you one bit. In fact, that describes how I dress about 75% of the time.

Sweet, that's good to know! :D

Except I always wear sneakers, and it's getting too cold for shorts so I either wear jeans or khakis.

The other 25% of the time, I wear shirt, tie, dress pants, and lab coat.

So where do you work, just out of curiousity? I'd understand if you didn't want to say.

I'm not sure where you are, but it must be nice if you don't have to wear shoes. There's glass and other terrible things on city pavement here in NY.

I'm in Australia at the moment, on the East Coast. It's midday and it's probably 30oC (mid-80s fahrenheit). Very pleasant weather. I'm at work right now so I AM wearing shoes (steel-capped boots to be precise).
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5
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9/8/2009 6:58:59 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/8/2009 6:39:12 PM, Nags wrote:
At 9/8/2009 6:36:17 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 9/7/2009 8:46:47 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
Well both of you would look down on me in real life, and it doesn't bother me one iota. My "uniform" is a polo shirt (a flannel if it's cold), shorts, no shoes.

I'm not sure where you are, but it must be nice if you don't have to wear shoes. There's glass and other terrible things on city pavement here in NY.

How can you not wear shoes?

Physically? Just don't put them on. Beware thorns and glass. Repeat.
Socially? Be lucky (or unlucky, depending on your views) enough to place personal comfort over other peoples' opinion of you. Avoid fancy places.
Errrm.... Philosophically? Socrates also didn't see the need for them, and he the man.

Where I currently live, it's only aboriginals who generally walk around shopping centres without shoes on. I don't want them to have all the comfort for themselves. I'm just selfish like that. ;D
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5
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9/8/2009 7:05:26 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/8/2009 6:58:59 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 9/8/2009 6:39:12 PM, Nags wrote:
At 9/8/2009 6:36:17 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 9/7/2009 8:46:47 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
Well both of you would look down on me in real life, and it doesn't bother me one iota. My "uniform" is a polo shirt (a flannel if it's cold), shorts, no shoes.

I'm not sure where you are, but it must be nice if you don't have to wear shoes. There's glass and other terrible things on city pavement here in NY.

How can you not wear shoes?

Physically? Just don't put them on. Beware thorns and glass. Repeat.
Socially? Be lucky (or unlucky, depending on your views) enough to place personal comfort over other peoples' opinion of you. Avoid fancy places.
Errrm.... Philosophically? Socrates also didn't see the need for them, and he the man.

Where I currently live, it's only aboriginals who generally walk around shopping centres without shoes on. I don't want them to have all the comfort for themselves. I'm just selfish like that. ;D

I find that really weird actually. I have never met anyone who doesn't wear shoes.
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9/9/2009 12:03:18 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/8/2009 7:05:26 PM, Nags wrote:
At 9/8/2009 6:58:59 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 9/8/2009 6:39:12 PM, Nags wrote:
At 9/8/2009 6:36:17 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 9/7/2009 8:46:47 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
Well both of you would look down on me in real life, and it doesn't bother me one iota. My "uniform" is a polo shirt (a flannel if it's cold), shorts, no shoes.

I'm not sure where you are, but it must be nice if you don't have to wear shoes. There's glass and other terrible things on city pavement here in NY.

How can you not wear shoes?

Physically? Just don't put them on. Beware thorns and glass. Repeat.
Socially? Be lucky (or unlucky, depending on your views) enough to place personal comfort over other peoples' opinion of you. Avoid fancy places.
Errrm.... Philosophically? Socrates also didn't see the need for them, and he the man.

Where I currently live, it's only aboriginals who generally walk around shopping centres without shoes on. I don't want them to have all the comfort for themselves. I'm just selfish like that. ;D

I find that really weird actually. I have never met anyone who doesn't wear shoes.

They do save a couple hundred each year though in shoes and such.
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9/9/2009 3:35:16 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/8/2009 6:58:59 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 9/8/2009 6:39:12 PM, Nags wrote:
At 9/8/2009 6:36:17 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 9/7/2009 8:46:47 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
Well both of you would look down on me in real life, and it doesn't bother me one iota. My "uniform" is a polo shirt (a flannel if it's cold), shorts, no shoes.

I'm not sure where you are, but it must be nice if you don't have to wear shoes. There's glass and other terrible things on city pavement here in NY.

How can you not wear shoes?

Physically? Just don't put them on. Beware thorns and glass. Repeat.
Socially? Be lucky (or unlucky, depending on your views) enough to place personal comfort over other peoples' opinion of you. Avoid fancy places.
Errrm.... Philosophically? Socrates also didn't see the need for them, and he the man.

Where I currently live, it's only aboriginals who generally walk around shopping centres without shoes on. I don't want them to have all the comfort for themselves. I'm just selfish like that. ;D

Are the soles of your feet almost as good as shoes (toughened up) now?
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9/9/2009 4:23:23 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
There's a hippy dude who lives near me who hasn't worn shoes for 30 years.

We call him Pete the Feet, he's a nice guy but I wouldn't share a foot spa with him.
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9/9/2009 2:50:22 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 3:35:16 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 9/8/2009 6:58:59 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 9/8/2009 6:39:12 PM, Nags wrote:
At 9/8/2009 6:36:17 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 9/7/2009 8:46:47 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
Well both of you would look down on me in real life, and it doesn't bother me one iota. My "uniform" is a polo shirt (a flannel if it's cold), shorts, no shoes.

I'm not sure where you are, but it must be nice if you don't have to wear shoes. There's glass and other terrible things on city pavement here in NY.

How can you not wear shoes?

Physically? Just don't put them on. Beware thorns and glass. Repeat.
Socially? Be lucky (or unlucky, depending on your views) enough to place personal comfort over other peoples' opinion of you. Avoid fancy places.
Errrm.... Philosophically? Socrates also didn't see the need for them, and he the man.

Where I currently live, it's only aboriginals who generally walk around shopping centres without shoes on. I don't want them to have all the comfort for themselves. I'm just selfish like that. ;D

Are the soles of your feet almost as good as shoes (toughened up) now?

Yeah pretty much, but not as much as they used to be. In the year after high school and before uni I worked as a cotton chipper, which is basically just 8 hours of straight walking through a paddock and pulling out weeds. I didn't wear shoes once and the soles of my feet were amazingly tough. One day I had to put heaps of this farmer's rubbish in a hole and burn it off, and I stood on a burning piece of plastic which stuck to my foot and it was only when I got home did I see a piece of plastic melted into my skin. That ain't right.
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5
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9/9/2009 2:50:50 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 4:23:23 AM, feverish wrote:
There's a hippy dude who lives near me who hasn't worn shoes for 30 years.

We call him Pete the Feet, he's a nice guy but I wouldn't share a foot spa with him.

Haha! Pete the Feet.
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5
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9/10/2009 8:47:34 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/9/2009 2:50:50 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 9/9/2009 4:23:23 AM, feverish wrote:
There's a hippy dude who lives near me who hasn't worn shoes for 30 years.

We call him Pete the Feet, he's a nice guy but I wouldn't share a foot spa with him.

Haha! Pete the Feet.

I guess that would make you "Leet the Feet".
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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9/11/2009 5:44:07 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/10/2009 8:47:34 AM, Kleptin wrote:
At 9/9/2009 2:50:50 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 9/9/2009 4:23:23 AM, feverish wrote:
There's a hippy dude who lives near me who hasn't worn shoes for 30 years.

We call him Pete the Feet, he's a nice guy but I wouldn't share a foot spa with him.

Haha! Pete the Feet.

I guess that would make you "Leet the Feet".

Hey.. no one challenge Eric to one of those 'rap battle' debates... this guy's DYNAMITE!
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