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Should we blame Charlie Manson?

Ore_Ele
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10/26/2012 11:15:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Really, if this guy told you to kill someone and you did it, who should really go to jail?
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10/26/2012 11:21:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/26/2012 11:15:35 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:


Really, if this guy told you to kill someone and you did it, who should really go to jail?

Since when do you go to jail for murder, I thought you went to prison.
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10/26/2012 11:30:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/26/2012 11:21:38 PM, emospongebob527 wrote:
At 10/26/2012 11:15:35 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:


Really, if this guy told you to kill someone and you did it, who should really go to jail?

Since when do you go to jail for murder, I thought you went to prison.

semantics, you get locked up.
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10/26/2012 11:42:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
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10/27/2012 12:11:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I've never heard anyone call him Charlie before. Sounds creepy in a spooky child type way, like in The Shining.

Lil Charlie Manson, sittin in a tree. K I L L I N G.
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10/27/2012 1:00:16 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I challenge anyone to the debate "Charles Manson belongs in prison". I'll be taking the side of pro. We use all evidence and testimonials from the trial.
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10/27/2012 4:18:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
He didn't just say "go kill these people" to strangers. He brainwashed them with drugs and his insane philosophy and paranoia.
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10/27/2012 8:49:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Conspiracy to murder.
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11/9/2012 6:57:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 6:19:48 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Even if moral absolutes exists, justice is impossible. There is no free will.

What's your reasoning for no free will? Thread references are acceptable since I'm sure you have already debated it ad nauseum.
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11/10/2012 3:46:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/9/2012 6:57:16 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
At 11/9/2012 6:19:48 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Even if moral absolutes exists, justice is impossible. There is no free will.

What's your reasoning for no free will? Thread references are acceptable since I'm sure you have already debated it ad nauseum.

In the sense that I mean it here, it is mostly to say that hypnosis is a proven and highly effective tool for manipulating the "will" of another.

Also, and more broadly, that there is no coherent point that we can call "ourselves" from which to judge that a decision has been produced from. Our "freedom" is a product of the chaos emerging from our biology and environment throughout our lives.

One can rightly speak of people as having a will, but never that it is sufficiently pronounced in of it's own right. Will is not an object; will does not exist at a point and time. As all things of a similar level of existence, it is an arbitrary illustration manifested by the human nervous system, both conscious and unconscious, to be a practical tool in understanding and properly functioning as a part of human relations. It loses all such practical significance when one tries to give it a literal identity in philosophy. Making, I, the abolitionist, actually the upholder.
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11/10/2012 11:02:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/10/2012 3:46:00 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/9/2012 6:57:16 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
At 11/9/2012 6:19:48 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Even if moral absolutes exists, justice is impossible. There is no free will.

What's your reasoning for no free will? Thread references are acceptable since I'm sure you have already debated it ad nauseum.

In the sense that I mean it here, it is mostly to say that hypnosis is a proven and highly effective tool for manipulating the "will" of another.

Also, and more broadly, that there is no coherent point that we can call "ourselves" from which to judge that a decision has been produced from. Our "freedom" is a product of the chaos emerging from our biology and environment throughout our lives.

One can rightly speak of people as having a will, but never that it is sufficiently pronounced in of it's own right. Will is not an object; will does not exist at a point and time. As all things of a similar level of existence, it is an arbitrary illustration manifested by the human nervous system, both conscious and unconscious, to be a practical tool in understanding and properly functioning as a part of human relations. It loses all such practical significance when one tries to give it a literal identity in philosophy. Making, I, the abolitionist, actually the upholder.

One could say the same thing about art.

Or, taking it a step further, if this were true, then art wouldn't have any meaning, because it is simply an inevitable expression naturally inclined of a biological arrangement.

Like the ticking of a clock as it pertains to a mechanical arrangement.
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11/10/2012 11:48:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/26/2012 11:15:35 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:


Really, if this guy told you to kill someone and you did it, who should really go to jail?

I don't know, he sure makes a lot of sense to me.
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11/10/2012 1:21:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
If all he did is "Yo dawg, you should totally kill that f***er." then he has not done anything worthy of legal response

If, on the other hand "Here's the address, here's your weapons, go kill that f***er...." then he has.

Conspiracy and advocacy are distinct concepts.
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