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Big Storms and Bad Droughts

Sidewalker
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11/1/2012 6:35:12 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hurricane Sandy raises questions about climate change, we are seeing a rise in Droughts and Big Storms, and the questions become is this a result of human induced global warming or is it just a natural fluctuation in climate. Sea levels have risen and the oceans are a up degree, we did that. The consensus opinion of the science community is "We don't know".

http://www.nytimes.com...

So what do you think? The main questions are, are we to blame, and where is it headed? Runaway greenhouse effect like on Venus, another ice age, something else? And how will we cope with such extremes?
"It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
Sidewalker
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11/1/2012 6:59:59 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Oops, meant to post this in science, I'll repost it, if you want to respond, please do so over there.
"It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
Stupidape
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3/2/2017 8:32:22 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 11/1/2012 6:35:12 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
Hurricane Sandy raises questions about climate change, we are seeing a rise in Droughts and Big Storms, and the questions become is this a result of human induced global warming or is it just a natural fluctuation in climate. Sea levels have risen and the oceans are a up degree, we did that. The consensus opinion of the science community is "We don't know".

http://www.nytimes.com...

So what do you think? The main questions are, are we to blame, and where is it headed? Runaway greenhouse effect like on Venus, another ice age, something else? And how will we cope with such extremes?

Humans are to blame. We know that Co2 from burning of fossil fuels is the main driver. We can see this via the human fingerprints. There is a small chance of a runaway greenhouse effect and Venus scenario. Yet, we should be more concerned with being in the middle of a sixth mass extinction and the 150,000 human deaths annually from climate change.

https://skepticalscience.com...
Quadrunner
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3/3/2017 1:56:39 AM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 3/2/2017 8:32:22 PM, Stupidape wrote:
At 11/1/2012 6:35:12 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
Hurricane Sandy raises questions about climate change, we are seeing a rise in Droughts and Big Storms, and the questions become is this a result of human induced global warming or is it just a natural fluctuation in climate. Sea levels have risen and the oceans are a up degree, we did that. The consensus opinion of the science community is "We don't know".

http://www.nytimes.com...

So what do you think? The main questions are, are we to blame, and where is it headed? Runaway greenhouse effect like on Venus, another ice age, something else? And how will we cope with such extremes?

Humans are to blame. We know that Co2 from burning of fossil fuels is the main driver. We can see this via the human fingerprints. There is a small chance of a runaway greenhouse effect and Venus scenario. Yet, we should be more concerned with being in the middle of a sixth mass extinction and the 150,000 human deaths annually from climate change.

https://skepticalscience.com...

Damn if only we weren't forced to burn our food instead of shipping it to people who need it.
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3/3/2017 4:37:53 AM
Posted: 2 months ago

Damn if only we weren't forced to burn our food instead of shipping it to people who need it.

What are you talking about?
FaustianJustice
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3/3/2017 12:35:04 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 3/3/2017 4:37:53 AM, Stupidape wrote:

Damn if only we weren't forced to burn our food instead of shipping it to people who need it.

What are you talking about?

Corn/Ethanol.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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Quadrunner
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3/3/2017 1:49:03 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 3/3/2017 4:37:53 AM, Stupidape wrote:

Damn if only we weren't forced to burn our food instead of shipping it to people who need it.

What are you talking about?

A good 10 percent of your tank goes to great causes, draining lakes and starving children. No need for tithing this year.
keithprosser
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3/3/2017 7:11:47 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 11/1/2012 6:35:12 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
Hurricane Sandy raises questions about climate change, we are seeing a rise in Droughts and Big Storms, and the questions become is this a result of human induced global warming or is it just a natural fluctuation in climate. Sea levels have risen and the oceans are a up degree, we did that. The consensus opinion of the science community is "We don't know".

http://www.nytimes.com...

So what do you think? The main questions are, are we to blame, and where is it headed? Runaway greenhouse effect like on Venus, another ice age, something else? And how will we cope with such extremes?

I think the problem is that bad storms will happen anyway - it is the frequency of bad storms that will be affected by climate change. So it is a gray area if any single event is the result of climate change, but if such storms start happening every couple of years instead of decades apart then we could say the 'extra' storms are the result of climate change - but it makes little sense to postively identify a particular individual storm (such as Sandy) as one of the 'extra' ones!

As to the future, obviously is depends on how high and how fast we let atmospheric C02 increase. If we do nothing for 200 years then I think we will have changed the climate so much that the world would be unrecognisable in terms of how and where we grow food and how we obtain it. We won't do nothing.... the question is whether we will do enough so the effects are limited.
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3/3/2017 8:11:07 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 3/3/2017 12:35:04 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/3/2017 4:37:53 AM, Stupidape wrote:

Damn if only we weren't forced to burn our food instead of shipping it to people who need it.

What are you talking about?

Corn/Ethanol.

The problem is distribution not volume of food we have enough food already. That 10% from ethanol is not harming hungry people.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com...
Stupidape
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3/3/2017 8:13:03 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
Hurricanes will be less often yet stronger.
Heatwaves will be more frequent and more intense.

Therefore, very strong hurricanes we can identify as stronger due to climate change heating of the oceans.

""We're seeing fewer hurricanes, but the ones we do see are more intense," Elsner said. "When one comes, all hell can break loose.""

https://weather.com...
Quadrunner
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3/3/2017 9:37:22 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 3/3/2017 8:11:07 PM, Stupidape wrote:
At 3/3/2017 12:35:04 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/3/2017 4:37:53 AM, Stupidape wrote:

Damn if only we weren't forced to burn our food instead of shipping it to people who need it.

What are you talking about?

Corn/Ethanol.

The problem is distribution not volume of food we have enough food already. That 10% from ethanol is not harming hungry people.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com...

What does reducing the worlds food supply do to prices? Who does that effect the most?
Quadrunner
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3/3/2017 9:40:30 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 3/3/2017 8:11:07 PM, Stupidape wrote:
At 3/3/2017 12:35:04 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/3/2017 4:37:53 AM, Stupidape wrote:

Damn if only we weren't forced to burn our food instead of shipping it to people who need it.

What are you talking about?

Corn/Ethanol.

The problem is distribution not volume of food we have enough food already. That 10% from ethanol is not harming hungry people.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com...

Corn just isn't the right crop for this....It served its purpose.