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sadolite
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12/1/2012 2:23:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"Bill Gates recently gave a Commencement speech at a High School about 11 things they did not and will not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good, politically correct teachings created a generation of kids with no concept of reality and how this concept set them up for failure in the real world.

Rule 1: Life is not fair - get used to it!

Rule 2: The world won't care about your self-esteem
. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

Rule 3: You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.

Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss.

Rule 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your Grandparents had a different word for burger flipping: they called it opportunity.

Rule 6: If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine about your mistakes; learn from them.

Rule 7: Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent's generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.

Rule 8: Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and they'll give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

Rule 9: Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that on your own time.

Rule 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one. "

Our public school system is doing every child a disservice by not telling them these things. I've already told my children all of this. They get praise when they "earn" it and criticism when they "earn" it.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
slo1
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12/3/2012 4:11:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/1/2012 2:23:00 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Bill Gates recently gave a Commencement speech at a High School about 11 things they did not and will not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good, politically correct teachings created a generation of kids with no concept of reality and how this concept set them up for failure in the real world.

Rule 1: Life is not fair - get used to it!

Rule 2: The world won't care about your self-esteem
. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

Rule 3: You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.

Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss.

Rule 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your Grandparents had a different word for burger flipping: they called it opportunity.

Rule 6: If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine about your mistakes; learn from them.

Rule 7: Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent's generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.

Rule 8: Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and they'll give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

Rule 9: Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that on your own time.

Rule 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one. "

Our public school system is doing every child a disservice by not telling them these things. I've already told my children all of this. They get praise when they "earn" it and criticism when they "earn" it.

Not true. Bill Gates is one of the few rich who understand that success is not only how much you try, but how much help you have along the way, thus his tremendous contributions to the poor and destitute of the world. While I'm sure he agrees with some of the sentiment, he would not oversimplify success into 11 rules which are woefully lacking in substance.

This was debunked a long time ago.
http://www.snopes.com...
sadolite
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12/3/2012 4:36:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/3/2012 4:11:08 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 12/1/2012 2:23:00 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Bill Gates recently gave a Commencement speech at a High School about 11 things they did not and will not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good, politically correct teachings created a generation of kids with no concept of reality and how this concept set them up for failure in the real world.

Rule 1: Life is not fair - get used to it!

Rule 2: The world won't care about your self-esteem
. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

Rule 3: You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.

Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss.

Rule 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your Grandparents had a different word for burger flipping: they called it opportunity.

Rule 6: If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine about your mistakes; learn from them.

Rule 7: Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent's generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.

Rule 8: Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and they'll give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

Rule 9: Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that on your own time.

Rule 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one. "

Our public school system is doing every child a disservice by not telling them these things. I've already told my children all of this. They get praise when they "earn" it and criticism when they "earn" it.

Not true. Bill Gates is one of the few rich who understand that success is not only how much you try, but how much help you have along the way, thus his tremendous contributions to the poor and destitute of the world. While I'm sure he agrees with some of the sentiment, he would not oversimplify success into 11 rules which are woefully lacking in substance.

This was debunked a long time ago.
http://www.snopes.com...

Which statements are not true regardless of whether or not Bill gates said them
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
slo1
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12/6/2012 8:43:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/3/2012 4:36:19 PM, sadolite wrote:

Which statements are not true regardless of whether or not Bill gates said them

- 88.4 million children in US. http://www.childstats.gov...

- 16.4 million children living in poverty or 18%. http://www.sciencedaily.com...

-9% to 28% of women in various surveys report some type of sexual abuse as a child. http://www.unh.edu... Actual reported cases are closer to .2% of population but we know most are not reported.

Shall I go on?

When you practice demagoguery such as this that paints all kids as naive spoiled brats it serves no purpose other than to look like a crotchety old fart complaining about the younger generations, something that has happened since the beginning of humanity, excluding the very first generation.

As far as the individual rules there is nothing inherently crazy wrong with them. The are over generalized, lack specificity, and don't provide much value.

There simply are just many more important things to teach children other than, "If you think your teacher is tough wait until you get a boss."

Not only does it completely ignore the fact that some bosses are crappy and it takes wisdom to separate out what are true violations of integrity and action needs to be taken versus you are just annoyed with some of the rules your boss enforces.

How about we rewrite that rule to, "Have the knowledge how to evaluate your relationship with your boss to identify when you are being taken advantage of, such as taking your ideas without credit versus you are just being asked to contribute to the business in ways you might not agree with, but should without complaint, such as dress code, working overtime, etc."

Someone could write that much more concisely and eloquently, but you get the point.
Ren
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12/6/2012 8:49:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/6/2012 8:43:07 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 12/3/2012 4:36:19 PM, sadolite wrote:

Which statements are not true regardless of whether or not Bill gates said them

- 88.4 million children in US. http://www.childstats.gov...

- 16.4 million children living in poverty or 18%. http://www.sciencedaily.com...

-9% to 28% of women in various surveys report some type of sexual abuse as a child. http://www.unh.edu... Actual reported cases are closer to .2% of population but we know most are not reported.

Shall I go on?

When you practice demagoguery such as this that paints all kids as naive spoiled brats it serves no purpose other than to look like a crotchety old fart complaining about the younger generations, something that has happened since the beginning of humanity, excluding the very first generation.

As far as the individual rules there is nothing inherently crazy wrong with them. The are over generalized, lack specificity, and don't provide much value.

There simply are just many more important things to teach children other than, "If you think your teacher is tough wait until you get a boss."

Not only does it completely ignore the fact that some bosses are crappy and it takes wisdom to separate out what are true violations of integrity and action needs to be taken versus you are just annoyed with some of the rules your boss enforces.

How about we rewrite that rule to, "Have the knowledge how to evaluate your relationship with your boss to identify when you are being taken advantage of, such as taking your ideas without credit versus you are just being asked to contribute to the business in ways you might not agree with, but should without complaint, such as dress code, working overtime, etc."

Someone could write that much more concisely and eloquently, but you get the point.

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12/6/2012 1:06:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/1/2012 2:23:00 PM, sadolite wrote:
"Bill Gates recently gave a Commencement speech at a High School about 11...

Rule 3: You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.

RECENTLY ... CAR PHONE. ???????????
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