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12/27/2012 7:43:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
It's true. They do. Turtle populations in America are in decline already and this trend is certainly not helping.

http://news.yahoo.com...
From the article:
"The first time Weaver went out to collect data on turtles, he chose a spot down the road from a big apartment complex that caters to students. He counted 267 vehicles that passed by, seven of them intentionally hitting his rubber reptile.

He went back out about a week later, choosing a road in a more residential area. He followed the same procedure, putting the fake turtle in the middle of the lane, facing the far side of the road, as if it was early in its journey across. The second of the 50 cars to pass by that day swerved over the center line, its right tires pulverizing the plastic shell."

""One hit in 50 cars is pretty significant when you consider it might take a turtle 10 minutes to cross the road," Weaver said."

"It takes a turtle seven or eight years to become mature enough to reproduce, and in that time, it might make several trips across the road to get from one pond to another, looking for food or a place to lay eggs. A female turtle that lives 50 years might lay over 100 eggs, but just two or three are likely to survive to reproduce, said Weaver's professor, Rob Baldwin."

So, is this something we really need to make a thing of raising awareness for? Don't litter because it may have indirect negative consequences A, B, and C on water quality for humans and wildlife. Get your car emissions checked because it may have indirect negative consequences A, B, and C on air quality for humans and wildlife. Oh yeah! And also, don't kill animals just because you can because that's how entire species go extinct for the love of all that is holy what is wrong with you, you sadistic, thoughtless human?
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12/27/2012 7:47:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/27/2012 7:43:16 PM, Oryus wrote:
It's true. They do. Turtle populations in America are in decline already and this trend is certainly not helping.

http://news.yahoo.com...
From the article:
"The first time Weaver went out to collect data on turtles, he chose a spot down the road from a big apartment complex that caters to students. He counted 267 vehicles that passed by, seven of them intentionally hitting his rubber reptile.

He went back out about a week later, choosing a road in a more residential area. He followed the same procedure, putting the fake turtle in the middle of the lane, facing the far side of the road, as if it was early in its journey across. The second of the 50 cars to pass by that day swerved over the center line, its right tires pulverizing the plastic shell."

""One hit in 50 cars is pretty significant when you consider it might take a turtle 10 minutes to cross the road," Weaver said."

"It takes a turtle seven or eight years to become mature enough to reproduce, and in that time, it might make several trips across the road to get from one pond to another, looking for food or a place to lay eggs. A female turtle that lives 50 years might lay over 100 eggs, but just two or three are likely to survive to reproduce, said Weaver's professor, Rob Baldwin."

So, is this something we really need to make a thing of raising awareness for? Don't litter because it may have indirect negative consequences A, B, and C on water quality for humans and wildlife. Get your car emissions checked because it may have indirect negative consequences A, B, and C on air quality for humans and wildlife. Oh yeah! And also, don't kill animals just because you can because that's how entire species go extinct for the love of all that is holy what is wrong with you, you sadistic, thoughtless human?

The article gives us the reasons why this happens. There's no stopping human instinct, and our desire to remain the "alpha-male". Unless you can somehow shift humanities agenda into a less anthropocentric view, there's no way to stop this. Bringing awareness may temporarily decrease such atrocities in today's society, but not by much.

BTW- Anthro leads to extinction- Debate 101.
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12/27/2012 7:52:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/27/2012 7:47:47 PM, Chicken wrote:
At 12/27/2012 7:43:16 PM, Oryus wrote:
It's true. They do. Turtle populations in America are in decline already and this trend is certainly not helping.

http://news.yahoo.com...
From the article:
"The first time Weaver went out to collect data on turtles, he chose a spot down the road from a big apartment complex that caters to students. He counted 267 vehicles that passed by, seven of them intentionally hitting his rubber reptile.

He went back out about a week later, choosing a road in a more residential area. He followed the same procedure, putting the fake turtle in the middle of the lane, facing the far side of the road, as if it was early in its journey across. The second of the 50 cars to pass by that day swerved over the center line, its right tires pulverizing the plastic shell."

""One hit in 50 cars is pretty significant when you consider it might take a turtle 10 minutes to cross the road," Weaver said."

"It takes a turtle seven or eight years to become mature enough to reproduce, and in that time, it might make several trips across the road to get from one pond to another, looking for food or a place to lay eggs. A female turtle that lives 50 years might lay over 100 eggs, but just two or three are likely to survive to reproduce, said Weaver's professor, Rob Baldwin."

So, is this something we really need to make a thing of raising awareness for? Don't litter because it may have indirect negative consequences A, B, and C on water quality for humans and wildlife. Get your car emissions checked because it may have indirect negative consequences A, B, and C on air quality for humans and wildlife. Oh yeah! And also, don't kill animals just because you can because that's how entire species go extinct for the love of all that is holy what is wrong with you, you sadistic, thoughtless human?

The article gives us the reasons why this happens. There's no stopping human instinct, and our desire to remain the "alpha-male". Unless you can somehow shift humanities agenda into a less anthropocentric view, there's no way to stop this. Bringing awareness may temporarily decrease such atrocities in today's society, but not by much.

BTW- Anthro leads to extinction- Debate 101.

Yeeeah... human "instinct" doesn't really work as an all-encompassing explanation of this behavior considering the relatively low amount of people who did it. It's just that that low amount of people make a really big impact.
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12/27/2012 7:55:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/27/2012 7:52:26 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/27/2012 7:47:47 PM, Chicken wrote:
At 12/27/2012 7:43:16 PM, Oryus wrote:
It's true. They do. Turtle populations in America are in decline already and this trend is certainly not helping.

http://news.yahoo.com...
From the article:
"The first time Weaver went out to collect data on turtles, he chose a spot down the road from a big apartment complex that caters to students. He counted 267 vehicles that passed by, seven of them intentionally hitting his rubber reptile.

He went back out about a week later, choosing a road in a more residential area. He followed the same procedure, putting the fake turtle in the middle of the lane, facing the far side of the road, as if it was early in its journey across. The second of the 50 cars to pass by that day swerved over the center line, its right tires pulverizing the plastic shell."

""One hit in 50 cars is pretty significant when you consider it might take a turtle 10 minutes to cross the road," Weaver said."

"It takes a turtle seven or eight years to become mature enough to reproduce, and in that time, it might make several trips across the road to get from one pond to another, looking for food or a place to lay eggs. A female turtle that lives 50 years might lay over 100 eggs, but just two or three are likely to survive to reproduce, said Weaver's professor, Rob Baldwin."

So, is this something we really need to make a thing of raising awareness for? Don't litter because it may have indirect negative consequences A, B, and C on water quality for humans and wildlife. Get your car emissions checked because it may have indirect negative consequences A, B, and C on air quality for humans and wildlife. Oh yeah! And also, don't kill animals just because you can because that's how entire species go extinct for the love of all that is holy what is wrong with you, you sadistic, thoughtless human?

The article gives us the reasons why this happens. There's no stopping human instinct, and our desire to remain the "alpha-male". Unless you can somehow shift humanities agenda into a less anthropocentric view, there's no way to stop this. Bringing awareness may temporarily decrease such atrocities in today's society, but not by much.

BTW- Anthro leads to extinction- Debate 101.

Yeeeah... human "instinct" doesn't really work as an all-encompassing explanation of this behavior considering the relatively low amount of people who did it. It's just that that low amount of people make a really big impact.

Let me clarify, a common misconception is that human being's have the same instinct, instinct is subjective, like morality, because oftentimes instinct can be based off of one's own morals. So go ahead and try to conform other's to shift their entire moral foundations to another side. What you see as a dying turtle lying on the street, the guy who just ran it over sees as a weak, helpless animal that needed to be put in it's place. You can't deny that.
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12/27/2012 8:04:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/27/2012 7:55:03 PM, Chicken wrote:
At 12/27/2012 7:52:26 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/27/2012 7:47:47 PM, Chicken wrote:
At 12/27/2012 7:43:16 PM, Oryus wrote:
It's true. They do. Turtle populations in America are in decline already and this trend is certainly not helping.

http://news.yahoo.com...
From the article:
"The first time Weaver went out to collect data on turtles, he chose a spot down the road from a big apartment complex that caters to students. He counted 267 vehicles that passed by, seven of them intentionally hitting his rubber reptile.

He went back out about a week later, choosing a road in a more residential area. He followed the same procedure, putting the fake turtle in the middle of the lane, facing the far side of the road, as if it was early in its journey across. The second of the 50 cars to pass by that day swerved over the center line, its right tires pulverizing the plastic shell."

""One hit in 50 cars is pretty significant when you consider it might take a turtle 10 minutes to cross the road," Weaver said."

"It takes a turtle seven or eight years to become mature enough to reproduce, and in that time, it might make several trips across the road to get from one pond to another, looking for food or a place to lay eggs. A female turtle that lives 50 years might lay over 100 eggs, but just two or three are likely to survive to reproduce, said Weaver's professor, Rob Baldwin."

So, is this something we really need to make a thing of raising awareness for? Don't litter because it may have indirect negative consequences A, B, and C on water quality for humans and wildlife. Get your car emissions checked because it may have indirect negative consequences A, B, and C on air quality for humans and wildlife. Oh yeah! And also, don't kill animals just because you can because that's how entire species go extinct for the love of all that is holy what is wrong with you, you sadistic, thoughtless human?

The article gives us the reasons why this happens. There's no stopping human instinct, and our desire to remain the "alpha-male". Unless you can somehow shift humanities agenda into a less anthropocentric view, there's no way to stop this. Bringing awareness may temporarily decrease such atrocities in today's society, but not by much.

BTW- Anthro leads to extinction- Debate 101.

Yeeeah... human "instinct" doesn't really work as an all-encompassing explanation of this behavior considering the relatively low amount of people who did it. It's just that that low amount of people make a really big impact.

Let me clarify, a common misconception is that human being's have the same instinct, instinct is subjective, like morality, because oftentimes instinct can be based off of one's own morals. So go ahead and try to conform other's to shift their entire moral foundations to another side. What you see as a dying turtle lying on the street, the guy who just ran it over sees as a weak, helpless animal that needed to be put in it's place. You can't deny that.

I don't know if you read the actual article, but it doesn't assert that "instinct" is the lone reason for this. It quotes one psychologist as saying that it is an explanation. It also touches on the cultural aspects surrounding the killing of turtles while driving in the South. Neither morals nor culture are necessarily set in stone- especially when it comes to multiple successive generations (which is where most of the cultural and moral change occurs). So, basically, what you're saying is, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks." Yeah, individual's ideologies are often pretty stable throughout their life, but to say, "humans are just like that, you can't change them" is a naive excuse for the behavior and an incomplete explanation for it. Lack of education is a reason for many people's behaviors which cause negative consequences and can be changed through raising awareness of certain issues. I don't understand why you have this "all is lost" attitude toward it.
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: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
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12/27/2012 8:27:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/27/2012 8:04:04 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/27/2012 7:55:03 PM, Chicken wrote:
At 12/27/2012 7:52:26 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/27/2012 7:47:47 PM, Chicken wrote:
At 12/27/2012 7:43:16 PM, Oryus wrote:
It's true. They do. Turtle populations in America are in decline already and this trend is certainly not helping.

http://news.yahoo.com...
From the article:
"The first time Weaver went out to collect data on turtles, he chose a spot down the road from a big apartment complex that caters to students. He counted 267 vehicles that passed by, seven of them intentionally hitting his rubber reptile.

He went back out about a week later, choosing a road in a more residential area. He followed the same procedure, putting the fake turtle in the middle of the lane, facing the far side of the road, as if it was early in its journey across. The second of the 50 cars to pass by that day swerved over the center line, its right tires pulverizing the plastic shell."

""One hit in 50 cars is pretty significant when you consider it might take a turtle 10 minutes to cross the road," Weaver said."

"It takes a turtle seven or eight years to become mature enough to reproduce, and in that time, it might make several trips across the road to get from one pond to another, looking for food or a place to lay eggs. A female turtle that lives 50 years might lay over 100 eggs, but just two or three are likely to survive to reproduce, said Weaver's professor, Rob Baldwin."

So, is this something we really need to make a thing of raising awareness for? Don't litter because it may have indirect negative consequences A, B, and C on water quality for humans and wildlife. Get your car emissions checked because it may have indirect negative consequences A, B, and C on air quality for humans and wildlife. Oh yeah! And also, don't kill animals just because you can because that's how entire species go extinct for the love of all that is holy what is wrong with you, you sadistic, thoughtless human?

The article gives us the reasons why this happens. There's no stopping human instinct, and our desire to remain the "alpha-male". Unless you can somehow shift humanities agenda into a less anthropocentric view, there's no way to stop this. Bringing awareness may temporarily decrease such atrocities in today's society, but not by much.

BTW- Anthro leads to extinction- Debate 101.

Yeeeah... human "instinct" doesn't really work as an all-encompassing explanation of this behavior considering the relatively low amount of people who did it. It's just that that low amount of people make a really big impact.

Let me clarify, a common misconception is that human being's have the same instinct, instinct is subjective, like morality, because oftentimes instinct can be based off of one's own morals. So go ahead and try to conform other's to shift their entire moral foundations to another side. What you see as a dying turtle lying on the street, the guy who just ran it over sees as a weak, helpless animal that needed to be put in it's place. You can't deny that.

I don't know if you read the actual article, but it doesn't assert that "instinct" is the lone reason for this. It quotes one psychologist as saying that it is an explanation. It also touches on the cultural aspects surrounding the killing of turtles while driving in the South. Neither morals nor culture are necessarily set in stone- especially when it comes to multiple successive generations (which is where most of the cultural and moral change occurs). So, basically, what you're saying is, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks." Yeah, individual's ideologies are often pretty stable throughout their life, but to say, "humans are just like that, you can't change them" is a naive excuse for the behavior and an incomplete explanation for it. Lack of education is a reason for many people's behaviors which cause negative consequences and can be changed through raising awareness of certain issues. I don't understand why you have this "all is lost" attitude toward it.

I admit i may have gone off on a tangent in my last reply, so go ahead and disregard that. But before we get back on topic, let me reiterate something, my "all is lost" attitude is just based on the evilness of human nature, I'm not saying all of humanity is evil, but all human's have a "dark side". Can you honestly say the earth is better off now than it would be without human beings? Go back to Anthro.

"...don't kill animals just because you can because that's how entire species go extinct for the love of all that is holy what is wrong with you, you sadistic, thoughtless human?<"

Anthro- We don't care if certain animals go extinct, as long as we are always the clear dominant species.

Back on topic now,
After Re-reading the article, I decided to give the alternative stated-

"Among the possible solutions: turtle underpasses or an education campaign aimed at teenagers on why drivers shouldn't mow turtles down."

You already gave education as an alternative, but what about the turtle underpasses? Sounds crazy, but might actually be useful.

NOTE: I'm not in any way shape or form saying killing innocent turtles is OK, I'm just as against it as you are, and as negative as my attitude may sound, i completely agree with you and your stance on the issue. If it were up to me, maybe some sort of Federal Law could be created to protect such turtles, the only dilemma being, how the perpetrators would be caught. The perpetrators would be charged with animal abuse, (currently it's legal to run over a turtle... "on accident"). This may actually lead to other benefits for society as well, safer driving (next time you see a deer or a dog, you'll stop or get out of the way), and a friendlier environment (I wrote a case on how animal abuse leads to violence a long time ago, people that abuse animals in any way including through different means, such as running over a dog, tend to be the one's who are most involved in domestic violence situations and have many serious issues, which culminate into the brink of sanity (assuming they are sane) and they may go off on a killing spree of sorts. I can't remember the case exactly, but it says specifically that the mentality of a human being that abuses animals tends to rub off on other humans around him/her, and that the person who carries out the abuse tends to slowly sink into a hole, where every being, including other humans, appear to be animals, and the person may then treat other humans as they treat animals.

http://voices.yahoo.com...

http://www.pet-abuse.com...

The second link especially gives a good idea of the connection between the two.
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12/27/2012 8:29:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/27/2012 8:14:54 PM, FREEDO wrote:
In instances such as these, I always like to consult the wise words of Sigmund Freud.

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12/27/2012 8:48:46 PM
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At 12/27/2012 8:27:54 PM, Chicken wrote:
I admit i may have gone off on a tangent in my last reply, so go ahead and disregard that.

Yeeeah... you were losing me because you seemed to be conflating morality, instinct, and culture... hence kind of saying that nature and nurture were one in the same and at the same time unchanging ? It doesn't matter. I was just confused by it.
But before we get back on topic, let me reiterate something, my "all is lost" attitude is just based on the evilness of human nature, I'm not saying all of humanity is evil, but all human's have a "dark side". Can you honestly say the earth is better off now than it would be without human beings? Go back to Anthro.

I wouldn't say that the Earth is better off now with our presence here (due to our frequent disregard for delicate ecosystems. many of us don't recognize our own strength) nor did I say that. But I also wouldn't say that the Earth would be better off without us because humans are "evil" or have a "dark side."..... Unless you want to argue that thoughtlessness and ignorance are evil.. at which point, you may have a good case haha
"...don't kill animals just because you can because that's how entire species go extinct for the love of all that is holy what is wrong with you, you sadistic, thoughtless human?<"

Anthro- We don't care if certain animals go extinct, as long as we are always the clear dominant species.

Well, you'd have to go back to who "we" is because, again, the number of people who tried to kill turtles was actually pretty low. So yeah, some humans don't care if certain animals go extinct. But some humans also don't care about the suffering of other humans and, as you said, people who are abusive to animals often tend to be abusive to people too. So it seems to be a general power trip, not necessarily a species-based power trip.
Back on topic now,
After Re-reading the article, I decided to give the alternative stated-

"Among the possible solutions: turtle underpasses or an education campaign aimed at teenagers on why drivers shouldn't mow turtles down."

You already gave education as an alternative, but what about the turtle underpasses? Sounds crazy, but might actually be useful.

No, I think it is a good idea. Not too crazy at all. I've seen deer bridges too (but deer cause problems for people too so that probably catches people's attention and sympathies more than tiny turtles). The difficult part would be engineering it, really. And I hope to keep updated on their ideas. The point of the study was to work on ideas for how to help turtles cross the road while avoiding those crazy enough to want to watch the turtles burn. So I hope they can come up with something practical, effective, and affordable enough to be put into effect BEFORE the turtles become endangered and it's a race to save the various species in decline because of our ignorant power trips....
NOTE: I'm not in any way shape or form saying killing innocent turtles is OK, I'm just as against it as you are, and as negative as my attitude may sound, i completely agree with you and your stance on the issue. If it were up to me, maybe some sort of Federal Law could be created to protect such turtles, the only dilemma being, how the perpetrators would be caught. The perpetrators would be charged with animal abuse, (currently it's legal to run over a turtle... "on accident"). This may actually lead to other benefits for society as well, safer driving (next time you see a deer or a dog, you'll stop or get out of the way), and a friendlier environment (I wrote a case on how animal abuse leads to violence a long time ago, people that abuse animals in any way including through different means, such as running over a dog, tend to be the one's who are most involved in domestic violence situations and have many serious issues, which culminate into the brink of sanity (assuming they are sane) and they may go off on a killing spree of sorts. I can't remember the case exactly, but it says specifically that the mentality of a human being that abuses animals tends to rub off on other humans around him/her, and that the person who carries out the abuse tends to slowly sink into a hole, where every being, including other humans, appear to be animals, and the person may then treat other humans as they treat animals.

http://voices.yahoo.com...

http://www.pet-abuse.com...

The second link especially gives a good idea of the connection between the two.
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12/27/2012 8:49:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/27/2012 8:29:14 PM, Chicken wrote:
At 12/27/2012 8:14:54 PM, FREEDO wrote:
In instances such as these, I always like to consult the wise words of Sigmund Freud.

http://24.media.tumblr.com...

Oh you forgot this too

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lol those are great....
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12/27/2012 8:53:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Why don't we just mutate the turtles into some kind of turtle/ninja hybrids and then encourage them to seek swift vengeance on the power-tripping turtle-killers themselves?
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12/28/2012 12:03:35 AM
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ah, turtles. they taste... buttery, almost.

Humans... primates in vehicles. scary. of course they'd repugnantly hit whatever living thing is in its way, like it's a game...

such sagacious animals, turtles.
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12/28/2012 12:06:57 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/28/2012 12:03:35 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
ah, turtles. they taste... buttery, almost.

Humans... primates in vehicles. scary. of course they'd repugnantly hit whatever living thing is in its way, like it's a game...

such sagacious animals, turtles.

hahaha awesome first comment...
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12/28/2012 5:12:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/27/2012 8:53:14 PM, Oryus wrote:
Why don't we just mutate the turtles into some kind of turtle/ninja hybrids and then encourage them to seek swift vengeance on the power-tripping turtle-killers themselves?

Here I was, almost to the last post in the thread. I was happy that I could make a funny comment about ninja turtles before anyone else. AND THEN THIS.
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12/28/2012 10:08:02 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/28/2012 5:12:31 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 12/27/2012 8:53:14 PM, Oryus wrote:
Why don't we just mutate the turtles into some kind of turtle/ninja hybrids and then encourage them to seek swift vengeance on the power-tripping turtle-killers themselves?

Here I was, almost to the last post in the thread. I was happy that I could make a funny comment about ninja turtles before anyone else. AND THEN THIS.

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12/28/2012 6:45:27 PM
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At 12/28/2012 6:44:53 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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i just really like turtles thats all.
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12/28/2012 6:50:45 PM
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You wanna save turtles, write a good recipe and farm them.
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12/28/2012 6:52:47 PM
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Can you honestly say the earth is better off now than it would be without human beings
Incoherent question. Humans (rational animals) are the only evaluative creatures in existence. Homo sapiens are the only known humans to exist.
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12/28/2012 6:56:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/28/2012 6:50:45 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
You wanna save turtles, write a good recipe and farm them.

you are sick in the head. i will burn your house down and drown your family with bees.
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12/28/2012 7:08:28 PM
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At 12/28/2012 6:52:47 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Can you honestly say the earth is better off now than it would be without human beings
Incoherent question. Humans (rational animals) are the only evaluative creatures in existence. Homo sapiens are the only known humans to exist.

So if dolphins turn out to be rational creatures, they'll be humans?
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12/28/2012 7:16:21 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Screw y'all. I'm making fresh turtle soup, and they were fresh out at the grocery store.
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12/28/2012 7:29:46 PM
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At 12/28/2012 7:08:28 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 12/28/2012 6:52:47 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Can you honestly say the earth is better off now than it would be without human beings
Incoherent question. Humans (rational animals) are the only evaluative creatures in existence. Homo sapiens are the only known humans to exist.

So if dolphins turn out to be rational creatures, they'll be humans?

Correct. I await the first successful showing by dolphins in court of their rationality.
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12/28/2012 7:32:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/28/2012 7:16:21 PM, Zaradi wrote:
Screw y'all. I'm making fresh turtle soup, and they were fresh out at the grocery store.

Pssh, I leave their carcasses for the less fortunate crow, raccoon, and hobos. I just take all the joy.
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12/28/2012 7:43:02 PM
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At 12/27/2012 8:49:08 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/27/2012 8:29:14 PM, Chicken wrote:
At 12/27/2012 8:14:54 PM, FREEDO wrote:
In instances such as these, I always like to consult the wise words of Sigmund Freud.

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Oh you forgot this too

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lol those are great....

Indeed.
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12/28/2012 8:13:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 12/28/2012 6:50:45 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
You wanna save turtles, write a good recipe and farm them.

Should we apply the same principle to Native Americans?
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12/28/2012 8:16:24 PM
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At 12/28/2012 8:13:07 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/28/2012 6:50:45 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
You wanna save turtles, write a good recipe and farm them.

Should we apply the same principle to Native Americans?

lol

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12/28/2012 9:11:37 PM
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At 12/28/2012 7:29:46 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 12/28/2012 7:08:28 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 12/28/2012 6:52:47 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Can you honestly say the earth is better off now than it would be without human beings
Incoherent question. Humans (rational animals) are the only evaluative creatures in existence. Homo sapiens are the only known humans to exist.

So if dolphins turn out to be rational creatures, they'll be humans?

Correct. I await the first successful showing by dolphins in court of their rationality.

What a very... interesting... definition. So they'll stop being dolphins? And when someone says 'human' they'll have to clarify if they mean ape humans or dolphin humans?

I say 'interesting', by the way, and mean 'utterly ridiculous with no basis in the typical understanding of the term'. Quite anthropocentric in any event.

And wouldn't a better judge of that be scientists who study dolphins, not judges?
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12/29/2012 1:05:53 PM
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At 12/28/2012 8:13:07 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/28/2012 6:50:45 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
You wanna save turtles, write a good recipe and farm them.

Should we apply the same principle to Native Americans?
Nah, they've got a bit more going on upstairs.

What a very... interesting... definition. So they'll stop being dolphins?
No, they'll continue to be dolphins, as well as being human. I don't cease to be human because I happen to be a male low-hair primate, nor vice versa.

And when someone says 'human' they'll have to clarify if they mean ape humans or dolphin humans?

No, they'll mean both, unless their word choice was poor.
If they want to mean one in particular, they can just say dolphin, or hominid.

I say 'interesting', by the way, and mean 'utterly ridiculous with no basis in the typical understanding of the term'.
Really? That definition of human precedes not just the English language but Aristotle.
Of course, the typical hominid is rather aphilosophical.
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12/29/2012 1:07:45 PM
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And wouldn't a better judge of that be scientists who study dolphins, not judges?
Do we judge whether hominids are rational animals by appeal to scientists? No, we observe it, and when there is a dispute about a particular one, the dispute goes to court.
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