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1/17/2013 2:52:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I LOL'd
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1/17/2013 3:00:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This would happen if they underproofed the dough.
Baking isn't exact, and most of the people fast food chains hire are either too dumb or too lazy to ensure accuracy; you can't just rely on time measurements.

Of course, the more serious issue is why is it underproofed? Ignorance needs to be corrected, and shortened proof times due to lack of preparedness (i.e. running out of bread) is another matter altogether.

Ultimately, for the consumer, it doesn't really matter, as there is the same amount of bread either way, except for maybe the yeast.
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1/17/2013 3:04:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
My girlfriend sued me for something similar once.
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1/17/2013 3:18:13 PM
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At 1/17/2013 3:04:20 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
My girlfriend sued me for something similar once.

I get it!
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1/17/2013 4:21:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 3:18:13 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/17/2013 3:04:20 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
My girlfriend sued me for something similar once.

I get it!

She sued you? B!tches be crazy.
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1/17/2013 7:22:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 2:45:07 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
http://gma.yahoo.com...

Apparently they have been engaging in false advertising.

http://www.facebook.com...

I conducted a test of my own. I have very interesting results
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1/17/2013 7:27:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 7:22:40 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/17/2013 2:45:07 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
http://gma.yahoo.com...

Apparently they have been engaging in false advertising.

http://www.facebook.com...

I conducted a test of my own. I have very interesting results

They fixed it after the news went out :p

In all seriousness, it probably varies from outlet to outlet.
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1/17/2013 7:28:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I got subway just so i could measure the foot long and mine was 13 inches :D
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1/17/2013 7:37:34 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I lol'ed. I love Subway, so they'll always get a pass from me.
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1/17/2013 7:57:09 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 7:26:50 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/17/2013 3:04:20 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
My girlfriend sued me for something similar once.

Not sure what this means . . .

It means he has something that was shorter than advertised....

But anyway, I'm with Maikuru on this one. Which Wich is also pretty good, even if they're more expensive.
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1/17/2013 7:59:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 7:57:09 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
At 1/17/2013 7:26:50 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/17/2013 3:04:20 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
My girlfriend sued me for something similar once.

Not sure what this means . . .

It means he has something that was shorter than advertised....

Ohhhh. That wasn't the slightest bit amusing though.
But anyway, I'm with Maikuru on this one. Which Wich is also pretty good, even if they're more expensive.

I used to like Subway, but now that I'm making an effort to stop eating meat, I'd rather eat at Taco Bell or Chipotle. The vegetarian sandwiches just aren't that great.
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1/17/2013 8:00:11 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 7:57:09 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
At 1/17/2013 7:26:50 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/17/2013 3:04:20 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
My girlfriend sued me for something similar once.

Not sure what this means . . .

It means he has something that was shorter than advertised....

But anyway, I'm with Maikuru on this one. Which Wich is also pretty good, even if they're more expensive.

Jimmy Johns!!! That bread is to die for.

Also, I can't make a joke any more obvious than that, so I have to go back to the drawing board and whip up some new material.
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1/17/2013 8:06:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 8:00:11 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 1/17/2013 7:57:09 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
At 1/17/2013 7:26:50 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/17/2013 3:04:20 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
My girlfriend sued me for something similar once.

Not sure what this means . . .

It means he has something that was shorter than advertised....

But anyway, I'm with Maikuru on this one. Which Wich is also pretty good, even if they're more expensive.

Jimmy Johns!!! That bread is to die for.

Also, I can't make a joke any more obvious than that, so I have to go back to the drawing board and whip up some new material.

I knew it was a penis joke the minute I read it.
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1/17/2013 8:14:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I have nothing to base this on but my intuition, but I imagine that all Subways are provided with premade, predivided dough, and cook it at a predetermined temperature for a predetermined amount of time. The primary goal would be to provide fully cooked bread in the quickest amount of time, not to guarantee any sort of specified dimensions which, obviously, cannot be controlled.

Again, without basis, I would say that the distribution of resultant sub lengths (based on identical uncooked dough units) follows a Bell curve, and Subway shoots for the apex of the curve (or perhaps a little before it) to be the 12" mark, which statistically guarantees that some sandwiches will be both above and under that mark.

Once you get to a certain point on a Bell Curve, however, you have diminishing returns. Each increase in size in the precooked unit will produce less numbers of guaranteed subs at or greater than 12". So, at some point, someone said, making a cost-based decision, that a precooked unit of given length X will produce enough postcooked loaves at length Y, and that's good enough.

The only other option would be to measure all of the postcooked loaves and toss out the ones under 12"

Or.......................

People can realize that pretty much 99% of advertising is false advertising (in the sense that what they want you to believe is far from reality) and that being robbed of an inch amounts to less than $0.50 (depending on the sandwich) of which you are being robbed of just the bread portion, as the meats (the most expensive component) are already prepackaged and don't vary according to the actual length of the sub.
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1/17/2013 8:15:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
And given the deliciousness of a sandwich is usually a measure of meat:bread, less bread while keeping the meat the same actually gives you a more potent sandwich.

So...

Thanks?
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1/17/2013 8:33:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 8:26:31 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Im more concerned with the bottom half of the article that addresses the shrinking meat portions.

Was it in the pool?
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1/17/2013 8:38:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 8:06:30 PM, imabench wrote:

I knew it was a penis joke the minute I read it.

Well thank God. I guess the country hasn't gone completely to pot, then.

phew...
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1/18/2013 1:44:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 8:14:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
I have nothing to base this on but my intuition, but I imagine that all Subways are provided with premade, predivided dough, and cook it at a predetermined temperature for a predetermined amount of time. The primary goal would be to provide fully cooked bread in the quickest amount of time, not to guarantee any sort of specified dimensions which, obviously, cannot be controlled.

You are mostly correct. The dimensions can be controlled if the employees cared to, as the dough arrives in frozen sticks, then is thawed, then proofed. After proofing, it is put into the oven, so if the dough were to be measured before it was put in the oven, the dimensions would be correct everytime. The only excuse is laziness or incompetence on the individual stores. Or, a time crunch.


People can realize that pretty much 99% of advertising is false advertising (in the sense that what they want you to believe is far from reality) and that being robbed of an inch amounts to less than $0.50 (depending on the sandwich) of which you are being robbed of just the bread portion, as the meats (the most expensive component) are already prepackaged and don't vary according to the actual length of the sub.

This is very true, and largely why I don't care. The amount of bread is the same, it is simply more compact.
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1/18/2013 3:14:42 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/17/2013 8:33:10 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 1/17/2013 8:26:31 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Im more concerned with the bottom half of the article that addresses the shrinking meat portions.

Was it in the pool?


Every single time I've watched that episode with a female friend, they inevitably turn to me and ask if that really happens. Men...we truly are strange creatures.
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1/18/2013 7:09:59 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/18/2013 1:44:07 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/17/2013 8:14:00 PM, drafterman wrote:
I have nothing to base this on but my intuition, but I imagine that all Subways are provided with premade, predivided dough, and cook it at a predetermined temperature for a predetermined amount of time. The primary goal would be to provide fully cooked bread in the quickest amount of time, not to guarantee any sort of specified dimensions which, obviously, cannot be controlled.

You are mostly correct. The dimensions can be controlled if the employees cared to, as the dough arrives in frozen sticks, then is thawed, then proofed. After proofing, it is put into the oven, so if the dough were to be measured before it was put in the oven, the dimensions would be correct everytime. The only excuse is laziness or incompetence on the individual stores. Or, a time crunch.


People can realize that pretty much 99% of advertising is false advertising (in the sense that what they want you to believe is far from reality) and that being robbed of an inch amounts to less than $0.50 (depending on the sandwich) of which you are being robbed of just the bread portion, as the meats (the most expensive component) are already prepackaged and don't vary according to the actual length of the sub.

This is very true, and largely why I don't care. The amount of bread is the same, it is simply more compact.

A fantastic point I missed! Regardless of length (volume) the mass has to be the same within any reasonable amount of tolerance.
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1/18/2013 7:19:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I knew my Philly was a bit short.
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1/18/2013 7:24:41 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/18/2013 7:19:49 AM, lannan13 wrote:
I knew my Philly was a bit short.

Another penis joke....and gross. Go to the doctor.
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1/18/2013 7:28:28 AM
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Well, why should I give the company my extra $0.50? I could spend that on something else.

Also, Subway claims that it bakes the bread fresh, so I don't believe that the bread is the same amount unless they are lying about the claim that it is baked on site. I see a major class-action lawsuit if that claim is false.

Also, the article mentions that they have cut meat portions by 25%.
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1/18/2013 7:30:02 AM
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At 1/18/2013 7:28:28 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Well, why should I give the company my extra $0.50? I could spend that on something else.

Well, based on Khaos' point that I missed, you actually aren't being robbed of anything but air. It's still the same amount of bread by weight.


Also, Subway claims that it bakes the bread fresh, so I don't believe that the bread is the same amount unless they are lying about the claim that it is baked on site. I see a major class-action lawsuit if that claim is false.

Baked fresh =/= made from scratch


Also, the article mentions that they have cut meat portions by 25%.

Which is different than the bread issue.
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1/18/2013 7:37:43 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/18/2013 7:24:41 AM, Heineken wrote:
At 1/18/2013 7:19:49 AM, lannan13 wrote:
I knew my Philly was a bit short.

Another penis joke....and gross. Go to the doctor.

I was being serious and it wasn't a penis joke... you have such a dirty mind....
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1/18/2013 7:38:34 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/18/2013 7:30:02 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 1/18/2013 7:28:28 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Well, why should I give the company my extra $0.50? I could spend that on something else.

Well, based on Khaos' point that I missed, you actually aren't being robbed of anything but air. It's still the same amount of bread by weight.

Ok, I guess that's true.

Also, Subway claims that it bakes the bread fresh, so I don't believe that the bread is the same amount unless they are lying about the claim that it is baked on site. I see a major class-action lawsuit if that claim is false.

Baked fresh =/= made from scratch

Then how is it fresh if it's not made from scratch? Baked fresh implies to me that they didn't preserve anything.

Also, the article mentions that they have cut meat portions by 25%.

Which is different than the bread issue.
True. I just mentioned it because you thought that the meat portions were more important.