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1/23/2013 1:14:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
If I was willing to drive to Tampa I could find out :P
I can't find it on their site so probably not.
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1/23/2013 1:38:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 1:09:18 AM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
http://imgur.com...

Why do you think a man is attracted to children?

I have said this for years: whether by nature or nurture, people are unable to control who they are attracted to. So, if it is considered beyond my control that I am attracted to women, and my gay collegue was born to be attracted to men, why is it so hard to believe that a pedophile is simply wired that way?

It doesn't excuse a pedophile's actions, but it does mean he is not to blame for his attraction.
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1/23/2013 4:30:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 1:38:16 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/23/2013 1:09:18 AM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
http://imgur.com...

Why do you think a man is attracted to children?

I have said this for years: whether by nature or nurture, people are unable to control who they are attracted to. So, if it is considered beyond my control that I am attracted to women, and my gay collegue was born to be attracted to men, why is it so hard to believe that a pedophile is simply wired that way?

It doesn't excuse a pedophile's actions, but it does mean he is not to blame for his attraction.

Yes, and I've often thought if he was not a creep but an ordinary, decent man, how horrible it must be to be attracted to children. The only thing to do would be to avoid them completely. But even then, they must be walking around loathing themselves.
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1/23/2013 4:38:59 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I think pedophilia are defined in one of two ways: exclusive and non-exclusive. (Both can account for either heterosexual or homosexual attraction to children.) I haven't read that article, but in theory one who is exclusively pedophile is most likely a pedophile by orientation. That does not justify his actions regardless.

A non-exclusive pedophile could probably be suffering from a mental disorder that makes him see children from a sexual perspective. We'll see what further research says. I do hope there will be medical options for people who wish to change their sexual orientations.
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1/23/2013 4:45:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 4:30:52 AM, rross wrote:
At 1/23/2013 1:38:16 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/23/2013 1:09:18 AM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
http://imgur.com...

Why do you think a man is attracted to children?

I have said this for years: whether by nature or nurture, people are unable to control who they are attracted to. So, if it is considered beyond my control that I am attracted to women, and my gay collegue was born to be attracted to men, why is it so hard to believe that a pedophile is simply wired that way?

It doesn't excuse a pedophile's actions, but it does mean he is not to blame for his attraction.

Yes, and I've often thought if he was not a creep but an ordinary, decent man, how horrible it must be to be attracted to children. The only thing to do would be to avoid them completely. But even then, they must be walking around loathing themselves.

Chances are, though, that all this self-loathing turned him into a creep. I mean, imagine if every day you have to hide who you are from EVERYONE, even your family, at all times, because very, very, very few people would understand. And for a sexual release, it is a crime to even view/own the material you crave, and any support group, if any exist, would be vilified...

Isn't this a reason why gays from uber-religious families are damaged and/or suicidal?
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1/23/2013 4:47:51 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 4:45:19 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/23/2013 4:30:52 AM, rross wrote:
At 1/23/2013 1:38:16 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/23/2013 1:09:18 AM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
http://imgur.com...

Why do you think a man is attracted to children?

I have said this for years: whether by nature or nurture, people are unable to control who they are attracted to. So, if it is considered beyond my control that I am attracted to women, and my gay collegue was born to be attracted to men, why is it so hard to believe that a pedophile is simply wired that way?

It doesn't excuse a pedophile's actions, but it does mean he is not to blame for his attraction.

Yes, and I've often thought if he was not a creep but an ordinary, decent man, how horrible it must be to be attracted to children. The only thing to do would be to avoid them completely. But even then, they must be walking around loathing themselves.

Chances are, though, that all this self-loathing turned him into a creep. I mean, imagine if every day you have to hide who you are from EVERYONE, even your family, at all times, because very, very, very few people would understand. And for a sexual release, it is a crime to even view/own the material you crave, and any support group, if any exist, would be vilified...

Isn't this a reason why gays from uber-religious families are damaged and/or suicidal?

That's true. But actually, isn't abstinence good for sexual suppression? I mean if you avoid all sexual situations eventually you start thinking about sex less and less? Monks and that.
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1/23/2013 4:55:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 4:38:59 AM, Mirza wrote:
I think pedophilia are defined in one of two ways: exclusive and non-exclusive. (Both can account for either heterosexual or homosexual attraction to children.) I haven't read that article, but in theory one who is exclusively pedophile is most likely a pedophile by orientation. That does not justify his actions regardless.

A non-exclusive pedophile could probably be suffering from a mental disorder that makes him see children from a sexual perspective. We'll see what further research says. I do hope there will be medical options for people who wish to change their sexual orientations.

Don't you think something similar to those turn-gays-straight-camps would work? They do have some success (like 3%), probably from those that actually wanted to go there (as oppossed to those parents that forced their kids to go). Generally speaking, if one wants to "get help" and change, support groups are fairly effective, aren't they? I've heard Alcoholics Anonymous has like a 5% success rate, but many of those that go are court ordered.

And, no, I am not implying that gays need help because they are broken or anything. But if a gay man thinks he is bad/evil and wants to change, he would view the process as getting help.
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1/23/2013 4:58:00 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 4:49:49 AM, Kinesis wrote:
...this is what I've always thought. What else did people think pedophilia was?

An illness
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1/23/2013 5:02:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 4:47:51 AM, rross wrote:
At 1/23/2013 4:45:19 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/23/2013 4:30:52 AM, rross wrote:
At 1/23/2013 1:38:16 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/23/2013 1:09:18 AM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
http://imgur.com...

Why do you think a man is attracted to children?

I have said this for years: whether by nature or nurture, people are unable to control who they are attracted to. So, if it is considered beyond my control that I am attracted to women, and my gay collegue was born to be attracted to men, why is it so hard to believe that a pedophile is simply wired that way?

It doesn't excuse a pedophile's actions, but it does mean he is not to blame for his attraction.

Yes, and I've often thought if he was not a creep but an ordinary, decent man, how horrible it must be to be attracted to children. The only thing to do would be to avoid them completely. But even then, they must be walking around loathing themselves.

Chances are, though, that all this self-loathing turned him into a creep. I mean, imagine if every day you have to hide who you are from EVERYONE, even your family, at all times, because very, very, very few people would understand. And for a sexual release, it is a crime to even view/own the material you crave, and any support group, if any exist, would be vilified...

Isn't this a reason why gays from uber-religious families are damaged and/or suicidal?

That's true. But actually, isn't abstinence good for sexual suppression? I mean if you avoid all sexual situations eventually you start thinking about sex less and less? Monks and that.

Perhaps. But monks lock themselves away, Monestaries had no women and no children.

I don't think suppression really works unless you can be physically be away from the temptation, and to be away from children is quite difficult.
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1/23/2013 5:20:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
It's absolutely what it is, which explains the 100% recidivism rate among pedophiles.

My idea, since there's no good option to deal with them - put them on a remote island which is guarded by robot sharks (still working on the design, but you better bet they're gonna have frickin LA-SER BEAMS), dump off all of, and ONLY, the existing child porn (it's made...it's disgusting, but might as well put it toward some possible good) on that same island so they don't kill each other without a sexual outlet, and let them die without creating more of their ilk (pedophilia is a sexual orientation that is created through either sexual abuse or extreme sexual trauma at a very young age. Not all abused or sexually traumatized kids turn into them, but only those kids do.

Get rid of the pedophiles who weren't strong enough to remain completely celibate (a friend of a friend is an admitted pedophile and he is also a 40yo virgin...he still creeps me out, though I respect the force of will he dipped into to no give into his sexual desires) and hope that in 3 generations we can eradicate this social cancer completely...without someone then trying to put forth a "final solution" for homosexuals and the transgendered.

There is no cure and there is no treatment. There is no possibility of this being acceptable, and it is self-replicating - isolate and eliminate it in as humane a way as possible.


It's the only possible solution, but no on will do it (don't worry...sharks are almost complete...just waiting on those pesky lasers)

PS - if you're interested, listen to Depeche Mode under the assumption that every one of their songs are about unrequited love...of underage girls. Then, realize pretty quickly the same thing I did - that's exactly what they are...just like Rob Halford's songs were all about dudes.

There's usually a reason I post these videos and songs on the forum...you may just have no clue what that reason is (usually, though, assume it's to be a smart-*ss because that's what it is 70% of the time)
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1/23/2013 5:21:28 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 4:55:25 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
And, no, I am not implying that gays need help because they are broken or anything. But if a gay man thinks he is bad/evil and wants to change, he would view the process as getting help.
Individual freedom to get help without harming others. I fully support that.
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1/23/2013 5:30:26 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I'm a dendrophiliac. Mhm...that maple has a fat ash. I'd like to pop that cherry. I would pull it's leaves and call it a dirty birch.
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1/23/2013 5:36:49 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 4:58:00 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/23/2013 4:49:49 AM, Kinesis wrote:
...this is what I've always thought. What else did people think pedophilia was?

An illness

They're both, I guess.
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1/23/2013 10:00:31 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 1:38:16 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/23/2013 1:09:18 AM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
http://imgur.com...

Why do you think a man is attracted to children?

I have said this for years: whether by nature or nurture, people are unable to control who they are attracted to. So, if it is considered beyond my control that I am attracted to women, and my gay collegue was born to be attracted to men, why is it so hard to believe that a pedophile is simply wired that way?

It doesn't excuse a pedophile's actions, but it does mean he is not to blame for his attraction.

I was thinking about this the other day, and I'm glad I have the opportunity to convey some of my thoughts on the issue.

Let us truly consider the nature of pedophilia. First, there is a difference between pedophilia and statutory rape. This is because, although statutory rape is illegal, it is illegal because of the perceived maturity of the victim. This isn't the case with pedophilia. It literally refers to those 16 and older who are inclined to prey sexually on prepubescent children 11 and younger. Human children this young are barely distinguishable. They exhibit little to no sexual characteristics. Neither males nor females have even fully developed their sexual organs, and they are not fully functional at this point. They have no real grasp of what sexuality is, nor what it entails, as they aren't even so much as excreting the necessary hormones that coincide with such feelings and understandings. Accordingly, there is nothing to be sexually attracted to. They are incapable of sexual flirtation. They exhibit incomplete sexual arousal.

The major difference, therefore, that prepubescent human children have with those that are sexually developed, is the fact that they are completely vulnerable. They are extremely easily manipulated, they cannot physically protect themselves, and they invariably suffer psychological and physiological damage from sexual activity with an adult.

Sexually, pedophiles have nothing to be attracted to. There are no real physical characteristics they can say stimulates them that any other human doesn't have. As I indicated before, you can hardly distinguish gender, particularly if cultural cues, such as attire or hairstyle, are not present.

However, there is a difference in their capacity to manipulate, control, and harm children as opposed to teenagers and adults. Accordingly, pedophilia is very aptly described as a form of predation, whereas homosexuality is simply a form of sexuality.

You see, if a man is attracted to other men, for example, he could describe in detail specifically what he likes about men, whether it's masculine or feminine characteristics of his personality, or physical characteristics that are present only in post-pubescent humans. Moreover, if he engages a relationship with that man, said man is entirely capable of understanding the situation and influencing it however he sees fit. If he is violated in any way, he will understand that, and can protect himself in some way.
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1/23/2013 10:02:36 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 4:47:51 AM, rross wrote:
At 1/23/2013 4:45:19 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/23/2013 4:30:52 AM, rross wrote:
At 1/23/2013 1:38:16 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/23/2013 1:09:18 AM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
http://imgur.com...

Why do you think a man is attracted to children?

I have said this for years: whether by nature or nurture, people are unable to control who they are attracted to. So, if it is considered beyond my control that I am attracted to women, and my gay collegue was born to be attracted to men, why is it so hard to believe that a pedophile is simply wired that way?

It doesn't excuse a pedophile's actions, but it does mean he is not to blame for his attraction.

Yes, and I've often thought if he was not a creep but an ordinary, decent man, how horrible it must be to be attracted to children. The only thing to do would be to avoid them completely. But even then, they must be walking around loathing themselves.

Chances are, though, that all this self-loathing turned him into a creep. I mean, imagine if every day you have to hide who you are from EVERYONE, even your family, at all times, because very, very, very few people would understand. And for a sexual release, it is a crime to even view/own the material you crave, and any support group, if any exist, would be vilified...

Isn't this a reason why gays from uber-religious families are damaged and/or suicidal?

That's true. But actually, isn't abstinence good for sexual suppression? I mean if you avoid all sexual situations eventually you start thinking about sex less and less? Monks and that.

In terms of men specifically, it multiplies the chances of prostate cancer exponentially.
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1/23/2013 10:07:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
...so, in other words, pedophiles are rapists, and the sexual stimulation they receive from pedophilia is based on control and predation, rather than sexual arousal and physical stimulation.
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1/23/2013 2:31:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 10:07:30 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
...so, in other words, pedophiles are rapists, and the sexual stimulation they receive from pedophilia is based on control and predation, rather than sexual arousal and physical stimulation.

Since children cannot consent, pedophiles are rapists under the law. However, control and predation are the sexual stimulants of actual rapists. I do not view most pedophiles as controlling or predatory (stalking), nor are they portrayed as such in the media.

Could not the attraction to prepubesence be an attraction to innocense? Or could the lack of pharamones/sexual maturity be what attracts them, like normal pharamones are a repelent?
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1/23/2013 9:16:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 2:31:59 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/23/2013 10:07:30 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
...so, in other words, pedophiles are rapists, and the sexual stimulation they receive from pedophilia is based on control and predation, rather than sexual arousal and physical stimulation.

Since children cannot consent, pedophiles are rapists under the law. However, control and predation are the sexual stimulants of actual rapists. I do not view most pedophiles as controlling or predatory (stalking), nor are they portrayed as such in the media.


Could not the attraction to prepubesence be an attraction to innocense? Or could the lack of pharamones/sexual maturity be what attracts them, like normal pharamones are a repelent?

When people are raped just at the dawn of puberty, they have fear and pleasure tied together in a really strange way while their brains are still developing. And, from there, it just gets weird.

I feel sorry for pedophiles because I know of none who weren't abused themselves.

Minotaurs, from what I've read recently, were actually pedophiles on the island of Minos, and I have to think that the mothers of the children of Minos made up those monsters to elicit the fear that should have been felt when confronting the actual monster as opposed to the fictional one.

7th circle of hell..sounds about right to me.
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1/24/2013 9:06:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/23/2013 9:16:31 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 1/23/2013 2:31:59 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/23/2013 10:07:30 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
...so, in other words, pedophiles are rapists, and the sexual stimulation they receive from pedophilia is based on control and predation, rather than sexual arousal and physical stimulation.

Since children cannot consent, pedophiles are rapists under the law. However, control and predation are the sexual stimulants of actual rapists. I do not view most pedophiles as controlling or predatory (stalking), nor are they portrayed as such in the media.


Could not the attraction to prepubesence be an attraction to innocense? Or could the lack of pharamones/sexual maturity be what attracts them, like normal pharamones are a repelent?

When people are raped just at the dawn of puberty, they have fear and pleasure tied together in a really strange way while their brains are still developing. And, from there, it just gets weird.

I feel sorry for pedophiles because I know of none who weren't abused themselves.

Minotaurs, from what I've read recently, were actually pedophiles on the island of Minos, and I have to think that the mothers of the children of Minos made up those monsters to elicit the fear that should have been felt when confronting the actual monster as opposed to the fictional one.

7th circle of hell..sounds about right to me.

Was it Perseus who went into a dark, inescapable maze to find a pedophile in the center of it? He's got balls.
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1/24/2013 9:31:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/24/2013 9:06:49 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/23/2013 9:16:31 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 1/23/2013 2:31:59 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 1/23/2013 10:07:30 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
...so, in other words, pedophiles are rapists, and the sexual stimulation they receive from pedophilia is based on control and predation, rather than sexual arousal and physical stimulation.

Since children cannot consent, pedophiles are rapists under the law. However, control and predation are the sexual stimulants of actual rapists. I do not view most pedophiles as controlling or predatory (stalking), nor are they portrayed as such in the media.


Could not the attraction to prepubesence be an attraction to innocense? Or could the lack of pharamones/sexual maturity be what attracts them, like normal pharamones are a repelent?

When people are raped just at the dawn of puberty, they have fear and pleasure tied together in a really strange way while their brains are still developing. And, from there, it just gets weird.

I feel sorry for pedophiles because I know of none who weren't abused themselves.

Minotaurs, from what I've read recently, were actually pedophiles on the island of Minos, and I have to think that the mothers of the children of Minos made up those monsters to elicit the fear that should have been felt when confronting the actual monster as opposed to the fictional one.

7th circle of hell..sounds about right to me.

Was it Perseus who went into a dark, inescapable maze to find a pedophile in the center of it? He's got balls.

I died.

In a good way.
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1/24/2013 9:58:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Pedophilia is an actual sexual attraction. They don't force themselves to be attracted to children.

However, it is not a natural sexual attraction. There is no evidence to support that they are born that way. It is acquired, often through sexual abuse to themselves at an early age.

Nor is it socially expedient to accept their sexual attraction.

There is a clear difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. The latter is best dealt with as a mental disorder.
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1/24/2013 10:53:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/24/2013 9:58:36 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Pedophilia is an actual sexual attraction. They don't force themselves to be attracted to children.

However, it is not a natural sexual attraction. There is no evidence to support that they are born that way. It is acquired, often through sexual abuse to themselves at an early age.

Nor is it socially expedient to accept their sexual attraction.

There is a clear difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. The latter is best dealt with as a mental disorder.

Except there is no "cure". Genetic or not, it's hardwired in there and there is no talking it out.

Because the abuse they reign upon a young child breeds the next generation of pedophiles, the only way to deal with it is eradication. The only humane way of eradication is isolation.

100% recidivism. There's no cure.
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