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1/23/2013 8:40:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Here's a good article on humanely raised, organic beef.

Consumers today are more conscientious than ever about the choices they make at the supermarket. They want to know that the food they put on the table for their family is all-natural, environmentally friendly, and humane. And that"s why we here at Nature"s Acres Ranch hold ourselves to a higher standard and produce only the finest grass-fed and 100 percent additive-free beef. We guarantee that our cows are ethically raised on sustainably grown pastures before we hang them upside down from a moving conveyor and slice their throats wide open.

http://www.theonion.com...
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1/24/2013 5:49:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
As long as my beef is safe to eat, I don't care where it comes from.
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1/24/2013 6:40:01 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
is that the common practice?
I'd thought that they usually hit them with a pneumatic hammer?

I've heard that if an animal's scared then the rush of stuff like adrenaline can ruin the taste of the meat...
so I wouldn't think hanging them upside down would work out too well..

Unless they hang'em till they pass out or something and leave'em hangin till the adrenaline dissapates :/
I dunno ?
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1/24/2013 9:20:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
LOL One of my friends posted this on facebook and I totally thought of you vbac.
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1/24/2013 11:10:51 AM
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I wonder how many more people would be vegetarians if it were required that one killed an animal that one intends to eat his or herself.
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1/24/2013 12:33:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/24/2013 11:10:51 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
I wonder how many more people would be vegetarians if it were required that one killed an animal that one intends to eat his or herself.

I've hunted deer, does that count?
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1/24/2013 12:48:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/24/2013 11:48:59 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
I wonder how many people would be vegetarians if our tax dollars stopped subsidizing factory farms.

lolz
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1/24/2013 2:37:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/24/2013 1:43:49 PM, Clash wrote:
At 1/24/2013 5:49:14 AM, tmar19652 wrote:
As long as my beef is safe to eat, I don't care where it comes from.

I rest my case!
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1/24/2013 3:02:59 PM
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At 1/24/2013 5:49:14 AM, tmar19652 wrote:
As long as my beef is safe to eat, I don't care where it comes from.

Not exactly a conscientiously humane attitude, I'm afraid. Is having casual disregard for the suffering of other living creatures a "libertarian" emotional and cognitive trait? (I know, to anyone with the slightest smidgen of insight into the psychology lurking behind "libertarian" ideology it's somewhat of a rhetorical question.)
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1/24/2013 3:09:56 PM
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At 1/24/2013 3:02:59 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 1/24/2013 5:49:14 AM, tmar19652 wrote:
As long as my beef is safe to eat, I don't care where it comes from.

Not exactly a conscientiously humane attitude, I'm afraid. Is having casual disregard for the suffering of other living creatures a "libertarian" emotional and cognitive trait? (I know, to anyone with the slightest smidgen of insight into the psychology lurking behind "libertarian" ideology it's somewhat of a rhetorical question.)

Why should I care about the animals! If they were not a lesser life-form, we would not be controlling them, nor would we be able to confine them to farms and factories. It may sound brutal, but that's natural selection, and no-one would complain if a lion brutally slaughtered a cow.
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1/24/2013 3:16:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/24/2013 1:43:49 PM, Clash wrote:
At 1/24/2013 5:49:14 AM, tmar19652 wrote:
As long as my beef is safe to eat, I don't care where it comes from.
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1/24/2013 4:02:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/24/2013 9:20:12 AM, Oryus wrote:
LOL One of my friends posted this on facebook and I totally thought of you vbac.

Yup, this is my thing. :) Somebody's got to do it.
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1/24/2013 4:23:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/24/2013 6:40:01 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
is that the common practice?
I'd thought that they usually hit them with a pneumatic hammer?

Yeah but it's more problematic than that. This is from one a my debates a while back.


Typically in slaughterhouses a "knocker" shoots a steal bolt between the eyes of the cow. This should renders the animal unconscious or dead, however, there are a variety of reasons this device may fail to function properly. For example, the equipment itself can become week and ineffective. Notably, some plant operators don't want the animals to become "too dead" because it slows the exsanguination process. If the animal bleeds slowly, plant efficiency is diminished and the quality of the meat is reduced[6].

Because of these issues, cows are often bled, skinned and dismembered while conscious. Cows will sometimes remain conscious even by the time they reach the "skinner", a line operator tasked with peeling the skin off the cows head. If the cow is discovered to be conscious when she reaches the skinner, he will shove a knife in the back of the cows head in order to paralyze her. However, this leaves her fully conscious to experience having her skin removed from her head[6].

Once the skin has been peeled off the conscious cows head it is sent to the "legger". The legger clips of the lower parts of the cow's legs which causes her to flail wildly[6][7].


See my debate (http://www.debate.org...) for my sources.

I've heard that if an animal's scared then the rush of stuff like adrenaline can ruin the taste of the meat...
so I wouldn't think hanging them upside down would work out too well..

I don't know if that's true. I have heard some Asian countries torture some animals in order to increase their adrenaline. I looked around and it seems like this is mainly done in Korea to dogs. (http://animalrightskorea.org...).

I do know that cows and pigs are castrated without pain killers in Western countries in order to make their meat taste better. (http://en.wikipedia.org...)

Unless they hang'em till they pass out or something and leave'em hangin till the adrenaline dissapates :/
I dunno ?
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1/24/2013 4:29:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/24/2013 11:10:51 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
I wonder how many more people would be vegetarians if it were required that one killed an animal that one intends to eat his or herself.

Probably a lot, but mainly because it would be so inconvenient. If it weren't for that, I think most people would become desensitised to the violence - though, certainly not everybody.
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1/24/2013 4:32:01 PM
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We need to treat our cattle better. A happy cow makes a tender steak. The stressed out, anxious cows always have such tough meat.
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1/24/2013 4:44:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/24/2013 3:02:59 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 1/24/2013 5:49:14 AM, tmar19652 wrote:
As long as my beef is safe to eat, I don't care where it comes from.

Not exactly a conscientiously humane attitude, I'm afraid. Is having casual disregard for the suffering of other living creatures a "libertarian" emotional and cognitive trait? (I know, to anyone with the slightest smidgen of insight into the psychology lurking behind "libertarian" ideology it's somewhat of a rhetorical question.)

Hmm, not so sure. John Mackey (CEO of Whole Foods) is a libertarian and a vegan. And our very own darkkermit is a libertarian and a vegetarian. Besides, OberHerr, Clash and tmar19652 are all religious conservatives - which didn't surprise me at all.
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1/24/2013 5:08:42 PM
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At 1/24/2013 4:44:39 PM, vbaculum wrote:
At 1/24/2013 3:02:59 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 1/24/2013 5:49:14 AM, tmar19652 wrote:
As long as my beef is safe to eat, I don't care where it comes from.

Not exactly a conscientiously humane attitude, I'm afraid. Is having casual disregard for the suffering of other living creatures a "libertarian" emotional and cognitive trait? (I know, to anyone with the slightest smidgen of insight into the psychology lurking behind "libertarian" ideology it's somewhat of a rhetorical question.)

Hmm, not so sure. John Mackey (CEO of Whole Foods) is a libertarian and a vegan. And our very own darkkermit is a libertarian and a vegetarian. Besides, OberHerr, Clash and tmar19652 are all religious conservatives - which didn't surprise me at all.
I'm actually not that religious, im just conservative.
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1/24/2013 7:19:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/24/2013 11:10:51 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
I wonder how many more people would be vegetarians if it were required that one killed an animal that one intends to eat his or herself.

Will I have to hunt?
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1/24/2013 7:45:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/24/2013 12:33:39 PM, tmar19652 wrote:
At 1/24/2013 11:10:51 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
I wonder how many more people would be vegetarians if it were required that one killed an animal that one intends to eat his or herself.

I've hunted deer, does that count?

I'm inclined to say yes, but it depends on how far you went with it. Did you gut and prepare it yourself, as well? Do you eat venison exclusively?
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1/24/2013 7:46:26 PM
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At 1/24/2013 3:09:56 PM, tmar19652 wrote:
At 1/24/2013 3:02:59 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 1/24/2013 5:49:14 AM, tmar19652 wrote:
As long as my beef is safe to eat, I don't care where it comes from.

Not exactly a conscientiously humane attitude, I'm afraid. Is having casual disregard for the suffering of other living creatures a "libertarian" emotional and cognitive trait? (I know, to anyone with the slightest smidgen of insight into the psychology lurking behind "libertarian" ideology it's somewhat of a rhetorical question.)

Why should I care about the animals! If they were not a lesser life-form

I don't want to detest you.

But.
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1/24/2013 7:47:09 PM
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At 1/24/2013 4:29:48 PM, vbaculum wrote:
At 1/24/2013 11:10:51 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
I wonder how many more people would be vegetarians if it were required that one killed an animal that one intends to eat his or herself.

Probably a lot, but mainly because it would be so inconvenient. If it weren't for that, I think most people would become desensitised to the violence - though, certainly not everybody.

Haha, laziness trumps sociopathy?

Oh, humans.
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1/24/2013 7:48:41 PM
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At 1/24/2013 7:19:12 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 1/24/2013 11:10:51 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
I wonder how many more people would be vegetarians if it were required that one killed an animal that one intends to eat his or herself.

Will I have to hunt?

I'd say so, yes. Just like every other predator. As opposed to a parasite.
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1/24/2013 7:54:27 PM
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At 1/24/2013 7:48:41 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 1/24/2013 7:19:12 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 1/24/2013 11:10:51 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
I wonder how many more people would be vegetarians if it were required that one killed an animal that one intends to eat his or herself.

Will I have to hunt?

I'd say so, yes. Just like every other predator. As opposed to a parasite.

Then I would still eat meat.
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1/24/2013 8:00:24 PM
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At 1/24/2013 7:54:27 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 1/24/2013 7:48:41 PM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
At 1/24/2013 7:19:12 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 1/24/2013 11:10:51 AM, Franz_Reynard wrote:
I wonder how many more people would be vegetarians if it were required that one killed an animal that one intends to eat his or herself.

Will I have to hunt?

I'd say so, yes. Just like every other predator. As opposed to a parasite.

Then I would still eat meat.

Hmmm... I have to admit... I probably would, too, but not nearly as often.

And, I certainly wouldn't torture anything, nor would I control how their lives are conducted.
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1/24/2013 11:52:37 PM
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At 1/23/2013 8:40:15 PM, vbaculum wrote:
Here's a good article on humanely raised, organic beef.

Consumers today are more conscientious than ever about the choices they make at the supermarket. They want to know that the food they put on the table for their family is all-natural, environmentally friendly, and humane. And that"s why we here at Nature"s Acres Ranch hold ourselves to a higher standard and produce only the finest grass-fed and 100 percent additive-free beef. We guarantee that our cows are ethically raised on sustainably grown pastures before we hang them upside down from a moving conveyor and slice their throats wide open.

http://www.theonion.com...

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1/25/2013 12:06:14 AM
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At 1/24/2013 4:44:39 PM, vbaculum wrote:
At 1/24/2013 3:02:59 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 1/24/2013 5:49:14 AM, tmar19652 wrote:
As long as my beef is safe to eat, I don't care where it comes from.

Not exactly a conscientiously humane attitude, I'm afraid. Is having casual disregard for the suffering of other living creatures a "libertarian" emotional and cognitive trait? (I know, to anyone with the slightest smidgen of insight into the psychology lurking behind "libertarian" ideology it's somewhat of a rhetorical question.)

Hmm, not so sure. John Mackey (CEO of Whole Foods) is a libertarian and a vegan. And our very own darkkermit is a libertarian and a vegetarian. Besides, OberHerr, Clash and tmar19652 are all religious conservatives - which didn't surprise me at all.

Damn those inhumane carnivorous religious conservatives! Eatting all the meat, murdering animals.....with the other 99% of the planet......
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