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1Devilsadvocate
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2/5/2013 8:43:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I never really got the whole gay marriage debate.

What is the practical difference whether it's legally marriage or not?

Why do people care?

Is it anything more than a semantics argument?
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2/5/2013 8:46:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I suppose people like the benefits?
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2/5/2013 9:06:04 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/5/2013 8:46:54 PM, OberHerr wrote:
I suppose people like the benefits

What is the rational that they should get benefits?
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Rusty
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2/5/2013 9:38:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/5/2013 8:43:59 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
I never really got the whole gay marriage debate.


What don't you get? A subset of society wants to be able to marry a consenting adult of the same gender, and a subset of society doesn't think marriage should extend to these cases.

What is the practical difference whether it's legally marriage or not?


You want me to list the legal benefits of being in a marriage?...

Why do people care?


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Is it anything more than a semantics argument?

Yeah. That's what it is.
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2/5/2013 10:45:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Why should they get benefits?
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Rusty
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2/5/2013 10:53:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/5/2013 10:45:26 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
Why should they get benefits?

I'm not down for bait-and-switch threads.
rross
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2/5/2013 10:58:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I don't think people do care. It's more the idea that gay people are being excluded for no good reason. It's discriminatory. It's symbolic (rather than semantic).

On the other hand, sometimes it does matter. For example, my husband's country doesn't recognize de facto relationships. So, if we had been a gay couple, i wouldn't have been able to get a resident visa unless we had managed to get married in one of those few places where it's legal. I hate to think of the palaver we would have had to go through had we been a gay couple. So yeah. Unfair.
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2/6/2013 11:03:38 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/5/2013 10:45:26 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
Why should they get benefits?

Giving one group benefits and not another who (arguably) possesses the same qualities necessary to reveive those benefits is unjust discrimination.
: At 5/13/2014 7:05:20 PM, Crescendo wrote:
: The difference is that the gay movement is currently pushing their will on Churches, as shown in the link to gay marriage in Denmark. Meanwhile, the Inquisition ended several centuries ago.
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2/6/2013 11:10:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/5/2013 9:06:04 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
At 2/5/2013 8:46:54 PM, OberHerr wrote:
I suppose people like the benefits


What is the rational that they should get benefits?

Because there is no rational for why they shouldn't get benefits.
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2/6/2013 11:28:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/5/2013 8:43:59 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
I never really got the whole gay marriage debate.

What is the practical difference whether it's legally marriage or not?

Why do people care?

Is it anything more than a semantics argument?

For me the issue is the hijacking of the English language and the imposition of a forced redefinition of the term "marriage".

I have no objection to a gay couple entering into a union and being given the same rights as a straight married couple.

But the gay lobby wants more than this - they want, indeed they are insisting that this be called a "marriage" and hence they want to redefine the word.

In law the term "marriage" has always meant one man and one woman.

So the gay community need to to invent a new word but they refuse - there are two issues:

1. A legal recognition of a gay union and treatment in law that is the same as that given to straight married people
2. A redefintion of the English term "marriage" to include same sex unions.

I am supportive of 1. but strongly opposed to 2.

I was socializing with a "married" lesbian couple recently, at one stage I said "Come on, do the right thing - go and get your spouse another drink". I was turned upon instantly and heard "Please don't refer to her that way, she is my wife, we are married now and I told you this."

I of course replied "If she is your wife then how should I refer to you? are you her wife too or do you want me to call you her husband? and how am I to know what you want or don't want?"

Not only did I use the word "spouse" correctly I chose it precisely because I did not want to say the wrong thing - silly me eh!

Harry.
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2/6/2013 11:37:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/6/2013 11:28:56 AM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 2/5/2013 8:43:59 PM, 1Devilsadvocate wrote:
I never really got the whole gay marriage debate.

What is the practical difference whether it's legally marriage or not?

Why do people care?

Is it anything more than a semantics argument?

For me the issue is the hijacking of the English language and the imposition of a forced redefinition of the term "marriage".

I have no objection to a gay couple entering into a union and being given the same rights as a straight married couple.

But the gay lobby wants more than this - they want, indeed they are insisting that this be called a "marriage" and hence they want to redefine the word.

In law the term "marriage" has always meant one man and one woman.

So the gay community need to to invent a new word but they refuse - there are two issues:

1. A legal recognition of a gay union and treatment in law that is the same as that given to straight married people
2. A redefintion of the English term "marriage" to include same sex unions.

I am supportive of 1. but strongly opposed to 2.

I was socializing with a "married" lesbian couple recently, at one stage I said "Come on, do the right thing - go and get your spouse another drink". I was turned upon instantly and heard "Please don't refer to her that way, she is my wife, we are married now and I told you this."

I of course replied "If she is your wife then how should I refer to you? are you her wife too or do you want me to call you her husband? and how am I to know what you want or don't want?"

Not only did I use the word "spouse" correctly I chose it precisely because I did not want to say the wrong thing - silly me eh!

Harry.

Boo fvcking hoo. That's pretty much the only valid response to this whiney post.
Rusty
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2/6/2013 12:32:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/6/2013 11:28:56 AM, Dirty.Harry wrote:

I was socializing with a "married" lesbian couple recently, at one stage I said "Come on, do the right thing - go and get your spouse another drink". I was turned upon instantly and heard "Please don't refer to her that way, she is my wife, we are married now and I told you this."

I of course replied "If she is your wife then how should I refer to you? are you her wife too or do you want me to call you her husband? and how am I to know what you want or don't want?"

Who does that? You sound like a gigantic douchebag in real life. I'm just saying.
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2/6/2013 1:45:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/6/2013 12:32:30 PM, Rusty wrote:
At 2/6/2013 11:28:56 AM, Dirty.Harry wrote:

I was socializing with a "married" lesbian couple recently, at one stage I said "Come on, do the right thing - go and get your spouse another drink". I was turned upon instantly and heard "Please don't refer to her that way, she is my wife, we are married now and I told you this."

I of course replied "If she is your wife then how should I refer to you? are you her wife too or do you want me to call you her husband? and how am I to know what you want or don't want?"

Who does that? You sound like a gigantic douchebag in real life. I'm just saying.

Actually anyone who calls him a douchebag is a douchebag. There was nothing impolite about what he did.
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2/6/2013 2:02:00 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/6/2013 1:45:32 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 2/6/2013 12:32:30 PM, Rusty wrote:
At 2/6/2013 11:28:56 AM, Dirty.Harry wrote:

I was socializing with a "married" lesbian couple recently, at one stage I said "Come on, do the right thing - go and get your spouse another drink". I was turned upon instantly and heard "Please don't refer to her that way, she is my wife, we are married now and I told you this."

I of course replied "If she is your wife then how should I refer to you? are you her wife too or do you want me to call you her husband? and how am I to know what you want or don't want?"

Who does that? You sound like a gigantic douchebag in real life. I'm just saying.

Actually anyone who calls him a douchebag is a douchebag.

Good one.

There was nothing impolite about what he did.