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Oryus
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2/7/2013 11:01:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
If you had the opportunity to take a daily pill, with no negative side effects, that was guaranteed to make you perfectly content, would you?
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2/7/2013 11:02:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Why?
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2/7/2013 11:04:06 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
No, there is a time and place for every emotion, and to take away even those negative onee, strips away a crucial aspect of what makes us "human."
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
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"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

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2/7/2013 11:06:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
No.

Emotions give us a rich pallet of experience which builds us as people. It gives us a large base to draw from for future experiences and growth. Without emotions we would be flat and far less dynamic as people and as a species as a whole. We would lose sympathy, empathy, tons of art etc.

It wouldn't be worth it. Emotions, good and bad, are part of the human experience.
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2/7/2013 11:07:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:04:06 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
No, there is a time and place for every emotion, and to take away even those negative onee, strips away a crucial aspect of what makes us "human."

Why is it so important to keep in tact this concept of "humanness"?
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: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
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2/7/2013 11:09:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:07:14 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:04:06 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
No, there is a time and place for every emotion, and to take away even those negative onee, strips away a crucial aspect of what makes us "human."

Why is it so important to keep in tact this concept of "humanness"?

Because if we are not ourselves, then what can we say we are?
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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2/7/2013 11:09:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Definitely. If I was content then I would be content. If you are content with negative emotions you'll still have them.
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2/7/2013 11:10:32 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:09:14 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:07:14 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:04:06 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
No, there is a time and place for every emotion, and to take away even those negative onee, strips away a crucial aspect of what makes us "human."

Why is it so important to keep in tact this concept of "humanness"?

Because if we are not ourselves, then what can we say we are?

Why do you have to be anything? After all, you're just a speck on the cosmic timeline.
#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

~ Rush
Oryus
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2/7/2013 11:11:00 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:09:14 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:07:14 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:04:06 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
No, there is a time and place for every emotion, and to take away even those negative onee, strips away a crucial aspect of what makes us "human."

Why is it so important to keep in tact this concept of "humanness"?

Because if we are not ourselves, then what can we say we are?

We'd certainly still be humans. We would just be humans that have, as a part of their culture, a pill they can take that makes them perfectly content with no negative side effects.
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
: :
: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
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: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
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2/7/2013 11:12:55 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:11:00 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:09:14 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:07:14 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:04:06 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
No, there is a time and place for every emotion, and to take away even those negative onee, strips away a crucial aspect of what makes us "human."

Why is it so important to keep in tact this concept of "humanness"?

Because if we are not ourselves, then what can we say we are?

We'd certainly still be humans. We would just be humans that have, as a part of their culture, a pill they can take that makes them perfectly content with no negative side effects.

It would destroy a huge chunk of our humanity. Our society would change... I guess maybe it'd change for the better? But I think it'd stagnate our culture. Without pain, a lot of things wouldn't change. No one would aspire for more if you're always content. We'd stagnate completely.
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2/7/2013 11:13:26 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:11:00 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:09:14 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:07:14 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:04:06 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
No, there is a time and place for every emotion, and to take away even those negative onee, strips away a crucial aspect of what makes us "human."

Why is it so important to keep in tact this concept of "humanness"?

Because if we are not ourselves, then what can we say we are?

We'd certainly still be humans. We would just be humans that have, as a part of their culture, a pill they can take that makes them perfectly content with no negative side effects.

Then we would no longer be human, "humanity" isnt defined by physical characteristics as much as its defined by mental and emotional characteristics. By what we do, or do not do.
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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2/7/2013 11:15:15 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:13:26 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:11:00 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:09:14 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:07:14 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:04:06 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
No, there is a time and place for every emotion, and to take away even those negative onee, strips away a crucial aspect of what makes us "human."

Why is it so important to keep in tact this concept of "humanness"?

Because if we are not ourselves, then what can we say we are?

We'd certainly still be humans. We would just be humans that have, as a part of their culture, a pill they can take that makes them perfectly content with no negative side effects.

Then we would no longer be human, "humanity" isnt defined by physical characteristics as much as its defined by mental and emotional characteristics. By what we do, or do not do.

So what? Why do you want to be human? It seems really quite trivial.
#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

~ Rush
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2/7/2013 11:15:16 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:10:32 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:09:14 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:07:14 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:04:06 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
No, there is a time and place for every emotion, and to take away even those negative onee, strips away a crucial aspect of what makes us "human."

Why is it so important to keep in tact this concept of "humanness"?

Because if we are not ourselves, then what can we say we are?

Why do you have to be anything? After all, you're just a speck on the cosmic timeline.

Without findind out who one is first, one will find they havent learned anything at all sir
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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2/7/2013 11:15:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Wouldn't stagnation or lack of ambition be a "negative side effect"?
Therefore, doesn't happen with this magic pill?
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2/7/2013 11:16:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:12:55 AM, Orpheus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:11:00 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:09:14 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:07:14 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:04:06 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
No, there is a time and place for every emotion, and to take away even those negative onee, strips away a crucial aspect of what makes us "human."

Why is it so important to keep in tact this concept of "humanness"?

Because if we are not ourselves, then what can we say we are?

We'd certainly still be humans. We would just be humans that have, as a part of their culture, a pill they can take that makes them perfectly content with no negative side effects.

It would destroy a huge chunk of our humanity. Our society would change... I guess maybe it'd change for the better? But I think it'd stagnate our culture. Without pain, a lot of things wouldn't change. No one would aspire for more if you're always content. We'd stagnate completely.

There would be no "more" to aspire to. You would be perfectly happy.
#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

~ Rush
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2/7/2013 11:16:21 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:15:18 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Wouldn't stagnation or lack of ambition be a "negative side effect"?
Therefore, doesn't happen with this magic pill?

But how can you aspire for more if you're content with what you have and where you're at?
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2/7/2013 11:16:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:13:26 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:11:00 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:09:14 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:07:14 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:04:06 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
No, there is a time and place for every emotion, and to take away even those negative onee, strips away a crucial aspect of what makes us "human."

Why is it so important to keep in tact this concept of "humanness"?

Because if we are not ourselves, then what can we say we are?

We'd certainly still be humans. We would just be humans that have, as a part of their culture, a pill they can take that makes them perfectly content with no negative side effects.

Then we would no longer be human, "humanity" isnt defined by physical characteristics as much as its defined by mental and emotional characteristics. By what we do, or do not do.

Then have those who take anti-depressants, anti-anxiety meds, anti-psychotics, anti-histamines today- have they given up their humanity in whole or in part by escaping their emotions and/or their bodies natural inclinations?

Do we escape our humanity by taking mind-altering drugs? By dying our hair?

Where do you draw the line?
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
: :
: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
:
: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
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2/7/2013 11:16:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:15:16 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:10:32 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:09:14 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:07:14 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:04:06 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
No, there is a time and place for every emotion, and to take away even those negative onee, strips away a crucial aspect of what makes us "human."

Why is it so important to keep in tact this concept of "humanness"?

Because if we are not ourselves, then what can we say we are?

Why do you have to be anything? After all, you're just a speck on the cosmic timeline.

Without findind out who one is first, one will find they havent learned anything at all sir

That doesn't mean anything.
#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

~ Rush
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2/7/2013 11:17:01 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:15:18 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Wouldn't stagnation or lack of ambition be a "negative side effect"?
Therefore, doesn't happen with this magic pill?

When one is perfectly content they dont feel the need to do anything but remain as they are.

Dont be jelly cause he found a loophole in this magical pill :P
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
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"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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2/7/2013 11:18:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:17:01 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:15:18 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Wouldn't stagnation or lack of ambition be a "negative side effect"?
Therefore, doesn't happen with this magic pill?

When one is perfectly content they dont feel the need to do anything but remain as they are.

Dont be jelly cause he found a loophole in this magical pill :P

Exactly, and then therefore, the side effect of complete human stagnation would come about.

Is happiness worth halting almost all progress in our society? Or do we press on and try to advance to better places?
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2/7/2013 11:18:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:15:18 AM, bladerunner060 wrote:
Wouldn't stagnation or lack of ambition be a "negative side effect"?
Therefore, doesn't happen with this magic pill?

Ambition was once considered a negative attribute for a person to have. It's certainly American to value ambition.

What's wrong with stagnation if one stagnates in utter contentment? Is that not what we work toward? Or do we have ambition for the sake of it? Do we advance technologically and culturally for it's own sake? With no ultimate goal in mind?
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: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
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2/7/2013 11:19:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Maybe I'm not understanding the question. Does the pill give you everything you want or does it eliminate those wants?
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Get caught in ticking traps
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2/7/2013 11:20:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:19:37 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
Maybe I'm not understanding the question. Does the pill give you everything you want or does it eliminate those wants?

It essentially eliminates those wants- making you content with what you already have.
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
: :
: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
:
: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
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2/7/2013 11:21:29 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:16:27 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:13:26 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:11:00 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:09:14 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:07:14 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:04:06 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
No, there is a time and place for every emotion, and to take away even those negative onee, strips away a crucial aspect of what makes us "human."

Why is it so important to keep in tact this concept of "humanness"?

Because if we are not ourselves, then what can we say we are?

We'd certainly still be humans. We would just be humans that have, as a part of their culture, a pill they can take that makes them perfectly content with no negative side effects.

Then we would no longer be human, "humanity" isnt defined by physical characteristics as much as its defined by mental and emotional characteristics. By what we do, or do not do.

Then have those who take anti-depressants, anti-anxiety meds, anti-psychotics, anti-histamines today- have they given up their humanity in whole or in part by escaping their emotions and/or their bodies natural inclinations?

In-part? yes, in whole? No

Do we escape our humanity by taking mind-altering drugs? By dying our hair?

Dying hair? Certainly not, thats an expression of ones individuality. Mind-altering drugs? Yes

Where do you draw the line?

I honestly dont know
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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2/7/2013 11:21:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:20:22 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:19:37 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
Maybe I'm not understanding the question. Does the pill give you everything you want or does it eliminate those wants?

It essentially eliminates those wants- making you content with what you already have.

I want to be content and have what I want. Not just be content. That's the easy way out. I want to earn what I want and then be content with it so I can have true fulfillment.
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2/7/2013 11:22:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:16:52 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:15:16 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:10:32 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:09:14 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:07:14 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:04:06 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
No, there is a time and place for every emotion, and to take away even those negative onee, strips away a crucial aspect of what makes us "human."

Why is it so important to keep in tact this concept of "humanness"?

Because if we are not ourselves, then what can we say we are?

Why do you have to be anything? After all, you're just a speck on the cosmic timeline.

Without findind out who one is first, one will find they havent learned anything at all sir

That doesn't mean anything.

It only means nothing if you dont understand it
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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2/7/2013 11:23:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:20:22 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:19:37 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
Maybe I'm not understanding the question. Does the pill give you everything you want or does it eliminate those wants?

It essentially eliminates those wants- making you content with what you already have.

Oh, that muddies the waters a bit. Things happen independently of our emotions. Just because we feel content doesn't mean we should.

It really comes down to whether you have an idea of subjective perfectness or not.
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Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

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2/7/2013 11:23:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
"Contentedness" is not an emotion I seek. Where's the rush of pursuit, the thrill of victory?

Anyway, such a guarantee is impossible, I can't guarantee it doesn't just wipe out brains and make you automata instead, so this question is irrelevant to any current or future reality.
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2/7/2013 11:24:37 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:21:56 AM, Orpheus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:20:22 AM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 11:19:37 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
Maybe I'm not understanding the question. Does the pill give you everything you want or does it eliminate those wants?

It essentially eliminates those wants- making you content with what you already have.

I want to be content and have what I want. Not just be content. That's the easy way out. I want to earn what I want and then be content with it so I can have true fulfillment.

Do you truly think that achieving all the things you want and buying all the things you want will bring you contentment?

Those in hunter-gatherer societies have extremely little and yet they are content. Buddhist monks have very little and yet they are content. You could be content with much less.

So what is wrong with not wanting more?
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2/7/2013 11:25:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 11:01:54 AM, Oryus wrote:
If you had the opportunity to take a daily pill, with no negative side effects, that was guaranteed to make you perfectly content, would you?

The primary motivation improve yourself is to be discontented with who you currently are. To eat is to be discontented with being hungry. To change the world for the better, you need to be discontented with how the world is. To overcome the elimination of these benefits the pill would have to have some very miraculous effects.