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Oryus
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2/7/2013 4:06:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
To widdle down the discussion in my thread "Soma" to just one aspect of it, I'm posing this, slightly different, question. Some of you have probably heard it already. I like to think about it.

There is a machine that you can get inside which satisfies all your bodily cravings- I mean all of them. But not just that- it creates, from accessing your very own mind, a virtual world of pure, seamless perfection to you. It allows you to lead, in all ways, the life you wish you could have in a world that you wish existed.

There are two main conditions:
1. Once you go in, you can never, ever come back out again.
2. Once you go in, you will not remember the life you had before.

Would you go into the machine? Why?
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2/7/2013 4:09:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Yes, because it would be perfection.
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2/7/2013 4:10:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:08:33 PM, tulle wrote:
Did you type that in the last 7 minutes? Or did I read your mind? :p

Whaaa? What are you talking about? haha
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2/7/2013 4:10:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Wait, is the machine all-knowing? If so, can it incorporate things into the world that I don't know about?
#UnbanTheMadman

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Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

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2/7/2013 4:11:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Yup, sign me up for the matrix please
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2/7/2013 4:11:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:09:13 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Yes, because it would be perfection.

So you don't value "truth" as much as you thought you did then? ;)
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
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: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
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2/7/2013 4:11:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:10:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Wait, is the machine all-knowing? If so, can it incorporate things into the world that I don't know about?

I recant my previous answer until this is answered
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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2/7/2013 4:13:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:11:41 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:10:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Wait, is the machine all-knowing? If so, can it incorporate things into the world that I don't know about?

I recant my previous answer until this is answered

It knows everything about you- even things you didn't know you'd like. The virtual world would be everything that you love- even if you can't imagine it right now. There is no doubt that it would be the height of perfection in your mind.
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
: :
: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
:
: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
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2/7/2013 4:13:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:11:15 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:09:13 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Yes, because it would be perfection.

So you don't value "truth" as much as you thought you did then? ;)

Well, truth basically is perfection so if the machine can give me truth then of course I'll take it.
#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

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2/7/2013 4:14:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:06:01 PM, Oryus wrote:
To widdle down the discussion in my thread "Soma" to just one aspect of it, I'm posing this, slightly different, question. Some of you have probably heard it already. I like to think about it.

There is a machine that you can get inside which satisfies all your bodily cravings- I mean all of them. But not just that- it creates, from accessing your very own mind, a virtual world of pure, seamless perfection to you. It allows you to lead, in all ways, the life you wish you could have in a world that you wish existed.

There are two main conditions:
1. Once you go in, you can never, ever come back out again.
2. Once you go in, you will not remember the life you had before.

Would you go into the machine? Why?

Yes because every day I look at the idiots in the world and wish that I didnt have to live on this planet anymore.... This would be the way out though, to a world where people are only stupid on purpose <3
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2/7/2013 4:14:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:11:19 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I would certainly do it if my family or parents ever died.

Yeah, that's a drawback for me too. My family. Even though you wouldn't miss them while you were in there and you wouldn't feel bad for leaving them once you've gone in... it just seems wrong to abandon them.
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
: :
: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
:
: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
Oryus
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2/7/2013 4:16:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:13:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:11:15 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:09:13 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Yes, because it would be perfection.

So you don't value "truth" as much as you thought you did then? ;)

Well, truth basically is perfection so if the machine can give me truth then of course I'll take it.

The only truth it would be expressing is the truth of your desires. You can know those while still living in the real world.
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
: :
: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
:
: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
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2/7/2013 4:16:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:13:38 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:11:41 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:10:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Wait, is the machine all-knowing? If so, can it incorporate things into the world that I don't know about?

I recant my previous answer until this is answered

It knows everything about you- even things you didn't know you'd like. The virtual world would be everything that you love- even if you can't imagine it right now. There is no doubt that it would be the height of perfection in your mind.

Then sign me up RIGHT THE FRACK NOW
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
-Airmax1227

"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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2/7/2013 4:16:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:14:28 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:06:01 PM, Oryus wrote:
To widdle down the discussion in my thread "Soma" to just one aspect of it, I'm posing this, slightly different, question. Some of you have probably heard it already. I like to think about it.

There is a machine that you can get inside which satisfies all your bodily cravings- I mean all of them. But not just that- it creates, from accessing your very own mind, a virtual world of pure, seamless perfection to you. It allows you to lead, in all ways, the life you wish you could have in a world that you wish existed.

There are two main conditions:
1. Once you go in, you can never, ever come back out again.
2. Once you go in, you will not remember the life you had before.

Would you go into the machine? Why?

Yes because every day I look at the idiots in the world and wish that I didnt have to live on this planet anymore.... This would be the way out though, to a world where people are only stupid on purpose <3

lol
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
: :
: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
:
: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
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2/7/2013 4:16:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:16:02 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:13:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:11:15 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:09:13 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Yes, because it would be perfection.

So you don't value "truth" as much as you thought you did then? ;)

Well, truth basically is perfection so if the machine can give me truth then of course I'll take it.

The only truth it would be expressing is the truth of your desires. You can know those while still living in the real world.

And if I desire truth?
#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

~ Rush
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2/7/2013 4:18:44 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:16:08 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:13:38 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:11:41 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:10:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Wait, is the machine all-knowing? If so, can it incorporate things into the world that I don't know about?

I recant my previous answer until this is answered

It knows everything about you- even things you didn't know you'd like. The virtual world would be everything that you love- even if you can't imagine it right now. There is no doubt that it would be the height of perfection in your mind.

Then sign me up RIGHT THE FRACK NOW

haha you would have no reservations about abandoning the objective world or your family and friends?
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
: :
: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
:
: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
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2/7/2013 4:19:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:14:50 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:11:19 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I would certainly do it if my family or parents ever died.

Yeah, that's a drawback for me too. My family. Even though you wouldn't miss them while you were in there and you wouldn't feel bad for leaving them once you've gone in... it just seems wrong to abandon them.

Given how the situation you described there would be such a strong temptation to go in to the dream world. It would honestly only be my family that held me back.
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2/7/2013 4:19:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:16:41 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:16:02 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:13:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:11:15 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:09:13 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Yes, because it would be perfection.

So you don't value "truth" as much as you thought you did then? ;)

Well, truth basically is perfection so if the machine can give me truth then of course I'll take it.

The only truth it would be expressing is the truth of your desires. You can know those while still living in the real world.

And if I desire truth?

ohhhh conspiracy keanu moment.

If you desire truth, it might show you an identical world to the real world and delude you still into thinking it was real. But then what would be the point?
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
: :
: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
:
: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
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2/7/2013 4:20:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:18:44 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:16:08 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:13:38 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:11:41 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:10:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Wait, is the machine all-knowing? If so, can it incorporate things into the world that I don't know about?

I recant my previous answer until this is answered

It knows everything about you- even things you didn't know you'd like. The virtual world would be everything that you love- even if you can't imagine it right now. There is no doubt that it would be the height of perfection in your mind.

Then sign me up RIGHT THE FRACK NOW

haha you would have no reservations about abandoning the objective world or your family and friends?

This brings up a very interesting question - would this "virtual" world not be objective?
#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

~ Rush
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2/7/2013 4:20:58 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:19:46 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:14:50 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:11:19 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
I would certainly do it if my family or parents ever died.

Yeah, that's a drawback for me too. My family. Even though you wouldn't miss them while you were in there and you wouldn't feel bad for leaving them once you've gone in... it just seems wrong to abandon them.

Given how the situation you described there would be such a strong temptation to go in to the dream world. It would honestly only be my family that held me back.

Damn. Even the philosophy major pining for wisdom and truth would go in.

Does anybody have any principles around here? :P
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: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
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2/7/2013 4:21:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:18:44 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:16:08 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:13:38 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:11:41 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:10:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Wait, is the machine all-knowing? If so, can it incorporate things into the world that I don't know about?

I recant my previous answer until this is answered

It knows everything about you- even things you didn't know you'd like. The virtual world would be everything that you love- even if you can't imagine it right now. There is no doubt that it would be the height of perfection in your mind.

Then sign me up RIGHT THE FRACK NOW

haha you would have no reservations about abandoning the objective world or your family and friends?

"The virtual world would be everything that you love- even if you can't imagine it right now. There is no doubt that it would be the height of perfection in your mind."

Loophole!! one of my desires is family and friends!!
"Reality is an illusion created due to a lack of alcohol"
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"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion
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2/7/2013 4:22:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
It depends on whether I would know that none of the people inside it were real; if I would not know that, I would seriously consider it.

But there is no way the machine could give me full happiness except by changing the me that wants it. By forgetting who I was before I go in there, I'm almost a "new person"; the person who went in there would miss the "real" versions of his wife and...other people I assume, but the machine would take that away. It's a form of death for the me that's going in, and thus, while I might seriously consider it, I'd likely reject it, because I'm the me going in there.

Now, if there were a way to be hooked up to the machine with the people I love, even if I no longer knew that (and assumed ALL the people were real), then I would likely totally do that; the me of now would not know that the the people I love are actually going to be elsewhere, and thus the me that I am now would have no problem with it.
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2/7/2013 4:22:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:19:52 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:16:41 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:16:02 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:13:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:11:15 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:09:13 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Yes, because it would be perfection.

So you don't value "truth" as much as you thought you did then? ;)

Well, truth basically is perfection so if the machine can give me truth then of course I'll take it.

The only truth it would be expressing is the truth of your desires. You can know those while still living in the real world.

And if I desire truth?

ohhhh conspiracy keanu moment.

If you desire truth, it might show you an identical world to the real world and delude you still into thinking it was real. But then what would be the point?

Aaaaand this is where human bias comes into play. Truth is truth regardless of what we think. If the machine lies to me then how could you trust it to do anything?
#UnbanTheMadman

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Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

~ Rush
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2/7/2013 4:22:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
No.

Any machine like that could be hacked and take over my mind.
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2/7/2013 4:23:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:21:35 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:18:44 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:16:08 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:13:38 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:11:41 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:10:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Wait, is the machine all-knowing? If so, can it incorporate things into the world that I don't know about?

I recant my previous answer until this is answered

It knows everything about you- even things you didn't know you'd like. The virtual world would be everything that you love- even if you can't imagine it right now. There is no doubt that it would be the height of perfection in your mind.

Then sign me up RIGHT THE FRACK NOW

haha you would have no reservations about abandoning the objective world or your family and friends?

"The virtual world would be everything that you love- even if you can't imagine it right now. There is no doubt that it would be the height of perfection in your mind."

Loophole!! one of my desires is family and friends!!

Yes- but they wouldn't be your real family and friends. Of course, you wouldn't know that once you went in.
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
: :
: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
:
: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
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2/7/2013 4:24:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Basically if it can't make me God then I wouldn't go in.
#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

~ Rush
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2/7/2013 4:24:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:23:55 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:21:35 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:18:44 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:16:08 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:13:38 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:11:41 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:10:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Wait, is the machine all-knowing? If so, can it incorporate things into the world that I don't know about?

I recant my previous answer until this is answered

It knows everything about you- even things you didn't know you'd like. The virtual world would be everything that you love- even if you can't imagine it right now. There is no doubt that it would be the height of perfection in your mind.

Then sign me up RIGHT THE FRACK NOW

haha you would have no reservations about abandoning the objective world or your family and friends?

"The virtual world would be everything that you love- even if you can't imagine it right now. There is no doubt that it would be the height of perfection in your mind."

Loophole!! one of my desires is family and friends!!

Yes- but they wouldn't be your real family and friends. Of course, you wouldn't know that once you went in.

Define "real".
#UnbanTheMadman

"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

~ Rush
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2/7/2013 4:25:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 2/7/2013 4:23:55 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:21:35 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:18:44 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:16:08 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:13:38 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:11:41 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 2/7/2013 4:10:44 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
Wait, is the machine all-knowing? If so, can it incorporate things into the world that I don't know about?

I recant my previous answer until this is answered

It knows everything about you- even things you didn't know you'd like. The virtual world would be everything that you love- even if you can't imagine it right now. There is no doubt that it would be the height of perfection in your mind.

Then sign me up RIGHT THE FRACK NOW

haha you would have no reservations about abandoning the objective world or your family and friends?

"The virtual world would be everything that you love- even if you can't imagine it right now. There is no doubt that it would be the height of perfection in your mind."

Loophole!! one of my desires is family and friends!!

Yes- but they wouldn't be your real family and friends. Of course, you wouldn't know that once you went in.

Exactly
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"You were the moon all this time, and he was always there to make you shine."

"Was he the sun?"

"No honey, he was the darkness"

-Kazekirion