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3/21/2013 5:09:54 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
People fear the horsemeat. Why? Is horsemeat more intelligent: therefore akin to cannibalism? Perhaps horsemeat empathizes with the human spirit?

Pigs are quite tasty and intelligent. Piglets are cute and make good movies.

We have the baconator.
Why can't there be a horseinator burger?
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3/21/2013 5:24:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Horse meat is significantly healthier and in several blind testings, food critics have rated as being better tasting. So really, a frightful hoo-ha about piffle.
Then again, I certainly wouldn't want to eat Nessie.
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3/21/2013 5:30:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
For the same reasons as dog meat. We live closer with them. Not many people have pet pigs. But I bet the people who do are probably made uncomfortable eating pork.
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3/21/2013 6:05:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I live in Ireland, this was a huge scandal out here. The reason there is a big scare, is because many horses receive drugs which can make the meat on them harmful for consumption. If they are raised for meat, they are kept away from these drugs. The issue is that we don't know if they were.
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3/21/2013 6:08:42 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/21/2013 5:30:14 PM, FREEDO wrote:
For the same reasons as dog meat. We live closer with them. Not many people have pet pigs. But I bet the people who do are probably made uncomfortable eating pork.

ehh it was in the local newz :p

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3/21/2013 6:11:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/21/2013 5:30:14 PM, FREEDO wrote:
For the same reasons as dog meat. We live closer with them. Not many people have pet pigs. But I bet the people who do are probably made uncomfortable eating pork.

Honestly, I'd raise a pig just to slaughter it when it got all big and fat... but I love bacon so I'm rather biased...
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3/21/2013 6:20:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Crazy horse people. If you've met them, you know exactly what I'm talking about. If you haven't, you cannot possibly fathom the depths of their insanity.
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3/21/2013 6:51:18 PM
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Logically, we should be eating human meat as well.
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3/21/2013 6:56:04 PM
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At 3/21/2013 6:51:18 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
Logically, we should be eating human meat as well.

Nothing wrong with that.
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3/21/2013 7:02:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/21/2013 6:56:04 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 3/21/2013 6:51:18 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
Logically, we should be eating human meat as well.

Nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, cuz that worked out for cows.

CJD, also know as Creuzfeld-Jacob diseas and kuru, is like the human version of mad cow.
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3/21/2013 7:11:02 PM
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At 3/21/2013 7:02:22 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/21/2013 6:56:04 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 3/21/2013 6:51:18 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
Logically, we should be eating human meat as well.

Nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, cuz that worked out for cows.

CJD, also know as Creuzfeld-Jacob diseas and kuru, is like the human version of mad cow.

Cannibalism has also been implicated as a transmission mechanism for abnormal prions, causing the disease known as kuru, once found primarily among women and children of the Fore people in Papua New Guinea. While the men of the tribe ate the body of the deceased and rarely contracted the disease, the women and children, who ate the less desirable body parts, including the brain, were 8 times more likely than men to contract kuru from infected tissue.
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3/21/2013 7:23:31 PM
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At 3/21/2013 7:02:22 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/21/2013 6:56:04 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 3/21/2013 6:51:18 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
Logically, we should be eating human meat as well.

Nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, cuz that worked out for cows.

CJD, also know as Creuzfeld-Jacob diseas and kuru, is like the human version of mad cow.
Does that make it wrong?
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3/21/2013 7:32:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/21/2013 7:23:31 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 3/21/2013 7:02:22 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/21/2013 6:56:04 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 3/21/2013 6:51:18 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
Logically, we should be eating human meat as well.

Nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, cuz that worked out for cows.

CJD, also know as Creuzfeld-Jacob diseas and kuru, is like the human version of mad cow.
Does that make it wrong?

According to their counterarguments, it's about as wrong as eating pizza, french fries, hamburgers, chips, ice cream, and candy to contract and die of obesity.
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3/21/2013 7:36:32 PM
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At 3/21/2013 7:23:31 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 3/21/2013 7:02:22 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/21/2013 6:56:04 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 3/21/2013 6:51:18 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
Logically, we should be eating human meat as well.

Nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, cuz that worked out for cows.

CJD, also know as Creuzfeld-Jacob diseas and kuru, is like the human version of mad cow.
Does that make it wrong?

Depends on what context you mean it to be wrong in. Is it morally wrong, no. Is it wrong biologically, yes.
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This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
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3/21/2013 7:37:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/21/2013 7:11:02 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 3/21/2013 7:02:22 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 3/21/2013 6:56:04 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 3/21/2013 6:51:18 PM, R0b1Billion wrote:
Logically, we should be eating human meat as well.

Nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, cuz that worked out for cows.

CJD, also know as Creuzfeld-Jacob diseas and kuru, is like the human version of mad cow.

Cannibalism has also been implicated as a transmission mechanism for abnormal prions, causing the disease known as kuru, once found primarily among women and children of the Fore people in Papua New Guinea. While the men of the tribe ate the body of the deceased and rarely contracted the disease, the women and children, who ate the less desirable body parts, including the brain, were 8 times more likely than men to contract kuru from infected tissue.

Yes.
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3/21/2013 10:18:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You know, I don't care if horsemeat is safe. The real issue is that the companies were lying to consumers about what they were selling and were able to get away with it.
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3/21/2013 10:43:36 PM
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At 3/21/2013 10:18:01 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
You know, I don't care if horsemeat is safe. The real issue is that the companies were lying to consumers about what they were selling and were able to get away with it.

What are you referring to? As far as I can tell this thread isn't about a company passing off horse for beef or something. It's asking just about the morality of horse meat.
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3/22/2013 12:29:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I don't have a problem with eating horse. I have a problem with eating horse with the expectation that I was supposed to get beef, lamb, human and so on.
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3/22/2013 2:27:32 AM
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Have no problem with that, I think I will even take dog if it is safe and well cook.

Never actually tried though but do look forward to it if I be in Europe.
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3/22/2013 2:41:03 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/21/2013 5:09:54 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
People fear the horsemeat. Why? Is horsemeat more intelligent: therefore akin to cannibalism? Perhaps horsemeat empathizes with the human spirit?

Pigs are quite tasty and intelligent. Piglets are cute and make good movies.

We have the baconator.
Why can't there be a horseinator burger?

I don't fear the horsemeat anymore than any other new food. I am quite the picky eater...

My only beef with the horse is when pig-ish fatcats pass it off as an assumed meat to save a buck or two. For example, ordering a hamburger when if is not beef, as it is assumed a hamburger would be beef unless designated otherwise (such as buffalo, turkey, or veggie).
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3/22/2013 7:11:15 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/21/2013 10:43:36 PM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 3/21/2013 10:18:01 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
You know, I don't care if horsemeat is safe. The real issue is that the companies were lying to consumers about what they were selling and were able to get away with it.

What are you referring to? As far as I can tell this thread isn't about a company passing off horse for beef or something. It's asking just about the morality of horse meat.

Also about the legality.. (Congress not allowing USDA meat inspections of horse slaughter houses.)
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3/22/2013 8:17:41 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/21/2013 5:09:54 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
People fear the horsemeat. Why? Is horsemeat more intelligent: therefore akin to cannibalism? Perhaps horsemeat empathizes with the human spirit?

Pigs are quite tasty and intelligent. Piglets are cute and make good movies.

We have the baconator.
Why can't there be a horseinator burger?

Funny that you mention the Baconater, because porcine is pretty similar to Soylent Green.

You heard "lipstick on a pig"? That's not just a poor attempt to hide something "ugly'. It's for real (because of the similarity of their skin to ours...animal testing in cosmetics almost always ends at pig).

People don't wanna eat horses in this country for the same reason they don't wanna eat dogs - they're considered pets and people don't like the idea of eating Lassie after he pulls little Timmy out of the well.
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3/22/2013 12:21:23 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 3/21/2013 5:09:54 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
People fear the horsemeat. Why? Is horsemeat more intelligent: therefore akin to cannibalism? Perhaps horsemeat empathizes with the human spirit?

Pigs are quite tasty and intelligent. Piglets are cute and make good movies.

We have the baconator.
Why can't there be a horseinator burger?

Culture determines what is food. The abused and consumed corpses of one culture are the loving companions of another. In not recognizing this, you let your culture determine your morality.
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3/29/2013 9:28:55 PM
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Consumption of horses, whales, and porpoises is a cultural issue. The French are fond of horse meat. China and Japan consume porpoise, referred to as "sea pig." Jews and Muslims abjure pork, Hindus and many Buddhists don't each beef. Jains are strictly vegetarian. I don't see anything in any of it other than cultural tradition.

People who live on farms are used to slaughtering and eating the animals they raise. It's natural to not want to kill your animals, but when food is short, the aversion is universally overcome.

Dogs are mainly consumed as a type of folk medicine. Cannibalism is also mainly practiced not for food, but in the belief that the strength of the enemy will be obtained.

Here is an interesting article on the taste of dog meat: http://blogs.villagevoice.com... It's consumed in Vietnam for good luck. The author describes the taste as extremely gamey and unpleasant. At least it doesn't taste like chicken.
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3/30/2013 12:53:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I've never tasted horsemeat, but wouldn't be averse to the idea. I also don't understand why it's taboo to eat horses in the US, but not taboo to eat cows, pigs or sheep. That said, I've had more than my fair share of meals where beef, pork or lamb was the main course -and they were delicious. If horsemeat tastes good, I'd be happy to eat it.
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3/30/2013 3:14:58 PM
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I think horse owners had a real beef with the government by refusing meat inspectors for horsemeat when they clearly had hungry buyers for their aged horses. Instead, they were denied the income by the government.