Total Posts:22|Showing Posts:1-22
Jump to topic:

Women and Guns.

APB
Posts: 267
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/7/2013 4:57:14 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
After reading about the whole Slutwalk thing, I had the following thoughts:

1. Nobody deserves to be raped.

2. Rapists don't care.

3. Therefore, having the "right to say no" won't protect you.

4. While all blame lies with the rapist, it's unreasonable to expect they'll ever change their behaviour.

5. Therefore, women should take pre-emptive measures to prevent rape.

6. Living in a nice neighbourhood helps, but isn't always possible.

7. Dressing modestly to avoid being thought of as a sex object (and therefore a rape object) may help, but isn't enough on its own.

8. Having a male escort is helpful, but not always possible.

9. Rapists prefer easy targets that won't put up too much of a fight.

10. Therefore, the most effective way to reduce the number of sex crimes (and muggings, for that matter) is if every woman carries an assault rifle over her shoulder when she's out and about, and knows how to use it.

11. We should make it a legal requirement that all women, as well as their male friends and relatives, are required to carry a loaded assault rifle with them wherever they go, and are entitled to discharge it into the body of anybody stupid enough to corner them or their companions in a dark alleyway.

12. That should be far more effective than posting annoying rants to your Facebook and/or Twitter pages.
tmar19652
Posts: 727
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/7/2013 6:42:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/7/2013 4:57:14 AM, APB wrote:
After reading about the whole Slutwalk thing, I had the following thoughts:

1. Nobody deserves to be raped.

2. Rapists don't care.

3. Therefore, having the "right to say no" won't protect you.

4. While all blame lies with the rapist, it's unreasonable to expect they'll ever change their behaviour.

5. Therefore, women should take pre-emptive measures to prevent rape.

6. Living in a nice neighbourhood helps, but isn't always possible.

7. Dressing modestly to avoid being thought of as a sex object (and therefore a rape object) may help, but isn't enough on its own.

8. Having a male escort is helpful, but not always possible.

9. Rapists prefer easy targets that won't put up too much of a fight.

10. Therefore, the most effective way to reduce the number of sex crimes (and muggings, for that matter) is if every woman carries an assault rifle over her shoulder when she's out and about, and knows how to use it.

11. We should make it a legal requirement that all women, as well as their male friends and relatives, are required to carry a loaded assault rifle with them wherever they go, and are entitled to discharge it into the body of anybody stupid enough to corner them or their companions in a dark alleyway.

12. That should be far more effective than posting annoying rants to your Facebook and/or Twitter pages.

Are you from Saudi Arabia by any chance? Victim blaming for rape.
"Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." -Ronald Reagan

"The notion of political correctness declares certain topics, certain ex<x>pressions even certain gestures off-limits. What began as a crusade for civility has soured into a cause of conflict and even censorship." -George H.W. Bush
Lordknukle
Posts: 12,788
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/7/2013 4:07:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You do realize that that will cause women to murder somebody once a month, right?
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
Agent_Orange
Posts: 2,252
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/7/2013 4:28:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Why does it have to be an assault rifle? Why not a stun gun or pepper brain. And why only women? DO you think women do not kill or do not rape? Do you think giving all women might cause other problems like those guns being stolen and used in other crimes, suicides, accident discharges etc etc?
#BlackLivesMatter
Oryus
Posts: 8,280
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/7/2013 4:33:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/7/2013 4:57:14 AM, APB wrote:
After reading about the whole Slutwalk thing, I had the following thoughts:

1. Nobody deserves to be raped.

2. Rapists don't care.

3. Therefore, having the "right to say no" won't protect you.

4. While all blame lies with the rapist, it's unreasonable to expect they'll ever change their behaviour.

5. Therefore, women should take pre-emptive measures to prevent rape.

6. Living in a nice neighbourhood helps, but isn't always possible.

7. Dressing modestly to avoid being thought of as a sex object (and therefore a rape object) may help, but isn't enough on its own.

8. Having a male escort is helpful, but not always possible.

9. Rapists prefer easy targets that won't put up too much of a fight.

10. Therefore, the most effective way to reduce the number of sex crimes (and muggings, for that matter) is if every woman carries an assault rifle over her shoulder when she's out and about, and knows how to use it.

11. We should make it a legal requirement that all women, as well as their male friends and relatives, are required to carry a loaded assault rifle with them wherever they go, and are entitled to discharge it into the body of anybody stupid enough to corner them or their companions in a dark alleyway.


http://i.qkme.me...

12. That should be far more effective than posting annoying rants to your Facebook and/or Twitter pages.
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
: :
: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
:
: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.
muzebreak
Posts: 2,781
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/7/2013 4:34:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Yeah, and after we arm everyone with assault weapons for self defense, we can arm all soldiers with tomahawk missiles......

While your suggestion may further the battle against the problem, it will create an entirely different problem. Namely, an enormous increase in murders.
"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.
APB
Posts: 267
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/7/2013 4:48:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
@ tmar19652

You need to re-familiarise yourself with the definition of "blame". I am in no way saying that it's the victim's fault, or that they deserve to be raped just because they didn't do X, Y and Z to stop it. I am saying that people need to be proactive about their own safety, rather than expecting the criminals to reform their behaviour (because they really won't, no matter how much you badger them).

@ Lordknukle

No it won't because, 1, PMS is a myth that fails scientific tests, and 2, killing somebody who isn't threatening you is murder (and people tend to avoid that).

@ Agent_Orange

1. Assault rifles are lethal and everybody knows you've got one, which is the entire point.

2. Notice I said "and their male friends/relatives". I just wanted to highlight a specific issue that guns solve.

3. This comes down to a gun control debate.
imabench
Posts: 21,220
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/7/2013 4:49:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/7/2013 4:57:14 AM, APB wrote:
After reading about the whole Slutwalk thing, I had the following thoughts:

1. Nobody deserves to be raped.

Justin Bieber, Nicki Minaj, Drake, and anyone else who abuses the hell out of auto-tune

2. Rapists don't care.

3. Therefore, having the "right to say no" won't protect you.

So they shouldnt be able to say no? thats kinda f*cked up but go on

4. While all blame lies with the rapist, it's unreasonable to expect they'll ever change their behaviour.

Alright, we're back on track. Continue

5. Therefore, women should take pre-emptive measures to prevent rape.

Mkay

6. Living in a nice neighbourhood helps, but isn't always possible.

People still get raped in the suburbs you know....

7. Dressing modestly to avoid being thought of as a sex object (and therefore a rape object) may help, but isn't enough on its own.

man f*ck that, if a woman wants to feel like a hot piece of a** by dressing like a model she whould be able to.

8. Having a male escort is helpful, but not always possible.

Find a gay guy, trust me their everywhere, you just gotta look for the signs

9. Rapists prefer easy targets that won't put up too much of a fight.

agreed

10. Therefore, the most effective way to reduce the number of sex crimes (and muggings, for that matter) is if every woman carries an assault rifle over her shoulder when she's out and about, and knows how to use it.

Are you retarded or something? There are things called handguns, tazers, mace, pepper spray, etc that are more then enough to prevent sex crimes from happening. Also, call me crazy but I dont think that every 16 year old girl should be walking around with assault rifles wherever they go..... Dumba**

11. We should make it a legal requirement that all women, as well as their male friends and relatives, are required to carry a loaded assault rifle with them wherever they go, and are entitled to discharge it into the body of anybody stupid enough to corner them or their companions in a dark alleyway.

Ok now im SURE that youre a complete dumba**.

12. That should be far more effective than posting annoying rants to your Facebook and/or Twitter pages.
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

VP of DDO from Dec 14th 2014 to Jan 1st 2015
imabench
Posts: 21,220
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/7/2013 4:50:50 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/7/2013 4:48:48 PM, APB wrote:
@ tmar19652

You need to re-familiarise yourself with the definition of "blame". I am in no way saying that it's the victim's fault, or that they deserve to be raped just because they didn't do X, Y and Z to stop it. I am saying that people need to be proactive about their own safety, rather than expecting the criminals to reform their behaviour (because they really won't, no matter how much you badger them).

@ Lordknukle

No it won't because, 1, PMS is a myth that fails scientific tests, and 2, killing somebody who isn't threatening you is murder (and people tend to avoid that).

What. The f*ck. Did I just read?

Explain yourself

@ Agent_Orange

1. Assault rifles are lethal and everybody knows you've got one, which is the entire point.

2. Notice I said "and their male friends/relatives". I just wanted to highlight a specific issue that guns solve.

3. This comes down to a gun control debate.
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

VP of DDO from Dec 14th 2014 to Jan 1st 2015
APB
Posts: 267
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/7/2013 5:47:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
@ imabench

1. LOL.

6. Yes they do. It reduces crime, but doesn't eliminate it.

7. I agree, women should be able to dress however they want. That's not the issue.

8. So true.

10. Those things can be concealed. The point is that everybody knows you can blow their head off.

13. Statistical analysis shows that women are just as moody and b!tchy at every other time of the month. While menstruation can worsen pre-existing conditions, it can't by itself cause psycho behaviour. Sorry ladies, you have no excuse now.
Skepsikyma
Posts: 8,286
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/7/2013 6:20:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Just carry a small, well-guarded pin tipped with curare, and have fun watching your assailant suffer the horrifying helplessness which he intended to inflict on you while he falls into a deep, yet lucid, paralysis.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
APB
Posts: 267
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/7/2013 11:01:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/7/2013 6:20:06 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Just carry a small, well-guarded pin tipped with curare, and have fun watching your assailant suffer the horrifying helplessness which he intended to inflict on you while he falls into a deep, yet lucid, paralysis.

Requires close contact, which puts the attacker at an advantage.

Potentially as dangerous as a gun if the person has a heart condition. Might as well use a gun, then you KNOW that you'll kill them.

Also, as I've repeated numerous times, the point of carrying an assault rifle as opposed to something smaller is so that they know you're armed and give up without trying.
Agent_Orange
Posts: 2,252
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/7/2013 11:34:13 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Are you 100% sure that visual would be a good enough deterrent? If I'm a rapist and my victim has a big assault rifle, I'm not going till chase her down. All I need is the element of surprise, which is what most criminals rely on anyway.

Also you said you'd also give assault rifles to male friends and relatives. Do you know that most rapes are committed by a woman's close friends or relatives? You need to think this through.
#BlackLivesMatter
APB
Posts: 267
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/8/2013 12:06:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/7/2013 11:34:13 PM, Agent_Orange wrote:
Are you 100% sure that visual would be a good enough deterrent? If I'm a rapist and my victim has a big assault rifle, I'm not going till chase her down. All I need is the element of surprise, which is what most criminals rely on anyway.

Also you said you'd also give assault rifles to male friends and relatives. Do you know that most rapes are committed by a woman's close friends or relatives? You need to think this through.

Those are both true, I will address them both:

1. Surprise is still a valid raping tactic, but be countered with a simple awareness of surroundings.

2. In such cases, I doubt the woman would be carrying her assault rifle anyway (situational context), so it won't make much difference.
Skepsikyma
Posts: 8,286
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/8/2013 12:34:28 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/7/2013 11:01:43 PM, APB wrote:
At 4/7/2013 6:20:06 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Just carry a small, well-guarded pin tipped with curare, and have fun watching your assailant suffer the horrifying helplessness which he intended to inflict on you while he falls into a deep, yet lucid, paralysis.

Requires close contact, which puts the attacker at an advantage.

Potentially as dangerous as a gun if the person has a heart condition. Might as well use a gun, then you KNOW that you'll kill them.

Also, as I've repeated numerous times, the point of carrying an assault rifle as opposed to something smaller is so that they know you're armed and give up without trying.

I'd say it puts the attacker at an advantage. Hide it in a piece of jewelry, and all you need is a quick stab, and he'll be pretty close, due to the nature of the crime. And while it may not kill them (the chance is pretty low), once it's in their bloodstream they're out for however long the duration of the effect is (at least an hour, usually). You don't need to worry about missing, or only hitting them in fatal areas, or collateral damage.

Enough stories about curare (perhaps it could be laced with a nasty hallucinogen for added effect) and rapists will think twice about attacking any women, even those who aren't armed, precisely because it'll be impossible to tell whether or not she is.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
APB
Posts: 267
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/8/2013 3:43:39 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/8/2013 12:34:28 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 4/7/2013 11:01:43 PM, APB wrote:
At 4/7/2013 6:20:06 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
Just carry a small, well-guarded pin tipped with curare, and have fun watching your assailant suffer the horrifying helplessness which he intended to inflict on you while he falls into a deep, yet lucid, paralysis.

Requires close contact, which puts the attacker at an advantage.

Potentially as dangerous as a gun if the person has a heart condition. Might as well use a gun, then you KNOW that you'll kill them.

Also, as I've repeated numerous times, the point of carrying an assault rifle as opposed to something smaller is so that they know you're armed and give up without trying.

I'd say it puts the attacker at an advantage. Hide it in a piece of jewelry, and all you need is a quick stab, and he'll be pretty close, due to the nature of the crime. And while it may not kill them (the chance is pretty low), once it's in their bloodstream they're out for however long the duration of the effect is (at least an hour, usually). You don't need to worry about missing, or only hitting them in fatal areas, or collateral damage.

Enough stories about curare (perhaps it could be laced with a nasty hallucinogen for added effect) and rapists will think twice about attacking any women, even those who aren't armed, precisely because it'll be impossible to tell whether or not she is.

Stories about cans of mace, car keys in eyes and barbed contraptions that catch on your d!ck don't stop rape. Why would another concealed weapon work? The idea of the assault rifle is that they go, "Oh, she can take my head off, I won't bother with her," and they KEEP WALKING.

Knowing that she's armed is a deterrent, wondering if she's armed is not.
Agent_Orange
Posts: 2,252
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/8/2013 6:19:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
You're an idiot. As they say "knowing is half the battle". If I KNOW she has a gun, I can plan accordingly. Not knowing whether or not she has a switch blade up her sleeve is a good deterrent.

You've failed to address the problem that women are criminals as well. Smaller percentage sure, but there are still female rapists, female murderers, female thieves. Are you ok with arming these people?

You've mentioned arming close male relatives and friends but have ignored the fact that a women is far more likely to be raped by them. Are you more ok with women being raped by their uncle or husband than a completely stranger? Cause women are far less likely to report a rapist that is close to them.
#BlackLivesMatter
APB
Posts: 267
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/8/2013 4:09:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/8/2013 6:19:53 AM, Agent_Orange wrote:
You're an idiot. As they say "knowing is half the battle". If I KNOW she has a gun, I can plan accordingly. Not knowing whether or not she has a switch blade up her sleeve is a good deterrent.

You've failed to address the problem that women are criminals as well. Smaller percentage sure, but there are still female rapists, female murderers, female thieves. Are you ok with arming these people?

You've mentioned arming close male relatives and friends but have ignored the fact that a women is far more likely to be raped by them. Are you more ok with women being raped by their uncle or husband than a completely stranger? Cause women are far less likely to report a rapist that is close to them.

1. How would you plan accordingly?

2. Given that I'd be arming everybody... well, it depends what you think about guns in general.

3. I already addressed this when I responded to your last comment. Do you really think a gun will make a spot of difference either way, given that friends/relatives will probably be in closer proximity when they strike?
Agent_Orange
Posts: 2,252
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/8/2013 5:58:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/8/2013 4:09:43 PM, APB wrote:
At 4/8/2013 6:19:53 AM, Agent_Orange wrote:
You're an idiot. As they say "knowing is half the battle". If I KNOW she has a gun, I can plan accordingly. Not knowing whether or not she has a switch blade up her sleeve is a good deterrent.

You've failed to address the problem that women are criminals as well. Smaller percentage sure, but there are still female rapists, female murderers, female thieves. Are you ok with arming these people?

You've mentioned arming close male relatives and friends but have ignored the fact that a women is far more likely to be raped by them. Are you more ok with women being raped by their uncle or husband than a completely stranger? Cause women are far less likely to report a rapist that is close to them.

1. How would you plan accordingly?

Suprise attack. Get the gun from her. Now it's my weapon and if she does have backup knife or whatever she can't do anything because I've already got my gun on her.

2. Given that I'd be arming everybody... well, it depends what you think about guns in general.

Oh so now I already have my own gun. So I just need to put hers down and if she doesn't, I'll shoot her in the face

3. I already addressed this when I responded to your last comment. Do you really think a gun will make a spot of difference either way, given that friends/relatives will probably be in closer proximity when they strike?

Yes. It's possible she would fight back and escape. That's a lot less likely to happen with a gun aimed at her face
#BlackLivesMatter
APB
Posts: 267
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/9/2013 1:04:47 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
All three of your arguments could be used to ban any weapon that could potentially be used in a sexual assault, or could be taken from somebody trying to use them in self-defence.

I really think we're going to have to call it quits here.
namarks
Posts: 1
Add as Friend
Challenge to a Debate
Send a Message
4/18/2013 12:55:20 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/7/2013 4:57:14 AM, APB wrote:
After reading about the whole Slutwalk thing, I had the following thoughts:

1. Nobody deserves to be raped.

2. Rapists don't care.

3. Therefore, having the "right to say no" won't protect you.

4. While all blame lies with the rapist, it's unreasonable to expect they'll ever change their behaviour.

5. Therefore, women should take pre-emptive measures to prevent rape.

6. Living in a nice neighbourhood helps, but isn't always possible.

7. Dressing modestly to avoid being thought of as a sex object (and therefore a rape object) may help, but isn't enough on its own.

8. Having a male escort is helpful, but not always possible.

9. Rapists prefer easy targets that won't put up too much of a fight.

10. Therefore, the most effective way to reduce the number of sex crimes (and muggings, for that matter) is if every woman carries an assault rifle over her shoulder when she's out and about, and knows how to use it.

11. We should make it a legal requirement that all women, as well as their male friends and relatives, are required to carry a loaded assault rifle with them wherever they go, and are entitled to discharge it into the body of anybody stupid enough to corner them or their companions in a dark alleyway.

12. That should be far more effective than posting annoying rants to your Facebook and/or Twitter pages.

I'm going to pretend you're serious and play along.

1. How do you pay for approximately 150 million assault rifles?
2. Do we give guns to minors?

How about we just double up our education efforts. Its proven that education lowers crime rates.