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4/23/2013 6:28:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I just read an article (link below) about a man and his wife who set their fighting dog on an elderly cat in front of some school children. Their punishment?

95 and 75 hours of community service respectively.

And he's complaining that it's unfair. And that he can't go anywhere without people pointing at him. And that he could lose his job (he's a soldier). The dog received no punishment, and he took it to obedience lessons (as if the dog needs any more obedience).

Personally, I think the both of them should be hanged. At the very least, they should spend 20 years in prison. That's what they'd get if it had been an elderly lady, how's a cat any different? You're still killing an innocent passerby in broad daylight (in front of f*cking school children). That cat may have had a few more years left before Nature took her. She may have had a family that misses her dearly. Just because she's a cat doesn't make her any less deserving of kindness and respect.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
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4/23/2013 10:18:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Cats = humans?

also, how can you tell if a cat is elderly? Hah

You wouldn't like Afghanistan.
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4/23/2013 1:05:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 6:28:08 AM, APB wrote:
I just read an article (link below) about a man and his wife who set their fighting dog on an elderly cat in front of some school children. Their punishment?

95 and 75 hours of community service respectively.

And he's complaining that it's unfair. And that he can't go anywhere without people pointing at him. And that he could lose his job (he's a soldier). The dog received no punishment, and he took it to obedience lessons (as if the dog needs any more obedience).

Personally, I think the both of them should be hanged. At the very least, they should spend 20 years in prison. That's what they'd get if it had been an elderly lady, how's a cat any different? You're still killing an innocent passerby in broad daylight (in front of f*cking school children). That cat may have had a few more years left before Nature took her. She may have had a family that misses her dearly. Just because she's a cat doesn't make her any less deserving of kindness and respect.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

The vast majority of animal abuse cases happen daily on factory farms and in slaughterhouses. Do you support the same punishments for a farmer who castrates, dehorns, brands and kills a cow as you would for someone who kills a cat.
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4/23/2013 1:27:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 1:05:02 PM, vbaculum wrote:
At 4/23/2013 6:28:08 AM, APB wrote:
I just read an article (link below) about a man and his wife who set their fighting dog on an elderly cat in front of some school children. Their punishment?

95 and 75 hours of community service respectively.

And he's complaining that it's unfair. And that he can't go anywhere without people pointing at him. And that he could lose his job (he's a soldier). The dog received no punishment, and he took it to obedience lessons (as if the dog needs any more obedience).

Personally, I think the both of them should be hanged. At the very least, they should spend 20 years in prison. That's what they'd get if it had been an elderly lady, how's a cat any different? You're still killing an innocent passerby in broad daylight (in front of f*cking school children). That cat may have had a few more years left before Nature took her. She may have had a family that misses her dearly. Just because she's a cat doesn't make her any less deserving of kindness and respect.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

The vast majority of animal abuse cases happen daily on factory farms and in slaughterhouses. Do you support the same punishments for a farmer who castrates, dehorns, brands and kills a cow as you would for someone who kills a cat.

but cats are cute and cows aren't. Checkmate.
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4/23/2013 1:36:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 1:27:30 PM, darkkermit wrote:

but cats are cute and cows aren't. Checkmate.

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Uncheckmate
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4/23/2013 1:42:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 1:36:01 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 4/23/2013 1:27:30 PM, darkkermit wrote:

but cats are cute and cows aren't. Checkmate.

http://www.tumblr.com...

Uncheckmate

damn it, hate it when i think i have checkmate, when its only check.
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4/23/2013 2:00:16 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 1:36:01 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 4/23/2013 1:27:30 PM, darkkermit wrote:

but cats are cute and cows aren't. Checkmate.

http://www.tumblr.com...

Uncheckmate

Baby cows are delicous

Recheckmate
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4/23/2013 2:13:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 2:00:16 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 4/23/2013 1:36:01 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 4/23/2013 1:27:30 PM, darkkermit wrote:

but cats are cute and cows aren't. Checkmate.

http://www.tumblr.com...

Uncheckmate

Baby cows are delicous

Recheckmate

They're deliciousness is irrelevant to whether or not they are cute as Kermit was pointing out.

Uncheckmate

On top of that, there are culture in the world that actually hold cats as a delicious and delectable meat.

Check
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4/23/2013 2:36:51 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 2:13:35 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 4/23/2013 2:00:16 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 4/23/2013 1:36:01 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 4/23/2013 1:27:30 PM, darkkermit wrote:

but cats are cute and cows aren't. Checkmate.

http://www.tumblr.com...

Uncheckmate

Baby cows are delicous

Recheckmate

They're deliciousness is irrelevant to whether or not they are cute as Kermit was pointing out.

Uncheckmate

You used "they are" when you should have used "their". Re-re-checkmate in light of this unforgivable grammar sin.

On top of that, there are culture in the world that actually hold cats as a delicious and delectable meat.

Check

And there are cultures which think all life is sacred, too. Uncheck.
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4/23/2013 2:57:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 2:00:16 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 4/23/2013 1:36:01 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 4/23/2013 1:27:30 PM, darkkermit wrote:

but cats are cute and cows aren't. Checkmate.

http://www.tumblr.com...

Uncheckmate

Baby cows are delicous

Recheckmate

Better than regular beef? I don't know that I've ever had veal
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4/23/2013 3:04:39 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I get my Meat from my Grampa, who raises his own cattle.

I can say I'm very lucky in that regard.
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4/23/2013 3:55:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 3:55:30 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
Nah, it needs less punishment. Screw the animals.

Literally if you want. What do I care?
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4/23/2013 6:21:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 10:18:53 AM, lewis20 wrote:
Cats = humans?

also, how can you tell if a cat is elderly? Hah

You wouldn't like Afghanistan.



Same way you can tell if a human is elderly: stiff joints, loose skin, doesn't groom properly, walks around as if they own the place.

And no, I wouldn't like Afghanistan.
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4/23/2013 6:30:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
"Personally, I think the both of them should be hanged. At the very least, they should spend 20 years in prison. That's what they'd get if it had been an elderly lady, how's a cat any different?"

If that's what they would get if it had been an elderly lady, then the only just punishment would be less than twenty years in prison - unless you seriously want to consider humans and cats as being equal.
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4/23/2013 6:35:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 6:30:08 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
"Personally, I think the both of them should be hanged. At the very least, they should spend 20 years in prison. That's what they'd get if it had been an elderly lady, how's a cat any different?"

If that's what they would get if it had been an elderly lady, then the only just punishment would be less than twenty years in prison - unless you seriously want to consider humans and cats as being equal.

^ in which case I would inquire if you consider the life of a bacteria to be a value, and if a breach of said bacteria's life should be punishable by death or twenty years in prison. If you want to equate all life as being equal, then you'd have no justifiable reason for detracting in that case.
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4/23/2013 7:34:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 6:35:53 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/23/2013 6:30:08 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
"Personally, I think the both of them should be hanged. At the very least, they should spend 20 years in prison. That's what they'd get if it had been an elderly lady, how's a cat any different?"

If that's what they would get if it had been an elderly lady, then the only just punishment would be less than twenty years in prison - unless you seriously want to consider humans and cats as being equal.

^ in which case I would inquire if you consider the life of a bacteria to be a value, and if a breach of said bacteria's life should be punishable by death or twenty years in prison. If you want to equate all life as being equal, then you'd have no justifiable reason for detracting in that case.

Why shouldn't cats be our equals? I have never heard an intelligent justification for why vertebrates that aren't food or pests should have less right to life than humans (I know there are places where cats are food, but they are not relevant to our discussion here).

And bacteria, being single-celled organisms with no neurological activity, are a completely different story. You know that, so don't go there.
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4/23/2013 8:18:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 6:21:06 PM, APB wrote:

Same way you can tell if a human is elderly: stiff joints, loose skin, doesn't groom properly, walks around as if they own the place.

That sounds like a typical day for me, sans the loose skin, which I've never seen a furry critter with loose skin.
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4/23/2013 8:30:07 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 6:28:08 AM, APB wrote:
I just read an article (link below) about a man and his wife who set their fighting dog on an elderly cat in front of some school children. Their punishment?

95 and 75 hours of community service respectively.

And he's complaining that it's unfair. And that he can't go anywhere without people pointing at him. And that he could lose his job (he's a soldier). The dog received no punishment, and he took it to obedience lessons (as if the dog needs any more obedience).

Personally, I think the both of them should be hanged. At the very least, they should spend 20 years in prison. That's what they'd get if it had been an elderly lady, how's a cat any different? You're still killing an innocent passerby in broad daylight (in front of f*cking school children). That cat may have had a few more years left before Nature took her. She may have had a family that misses her dearly. Just because she's a cat doesn't make her any less deserving of kindness and respect.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk...

20 years in prison might be a bit much, but five years in prison and a stiff fine (as in ten years wages) would suffice.
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4/23/2013 8:45:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 7:34:32 PM, APB wrote:
At 4/23/2013 6:35:53 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/23/2013 6:30:08 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
"Personally, I think the both of them should be hanged. At the very least, they should spend 20 years in prison. That's what they'd get if it had been an elderly lady, how's a cat any different?"

If that's what they would get if it had been an elderly lady, then the only just punishment would be less than twenty years in prison - unless you seriously want to consider humans and cats as being equal.

^ in which case I would inquire if you consider the life of a bacteria to be a value, and if a breach of said bacteria's life should be punishable by death or twenty years in prison. If you want to equate all life as being equal, then you'd have no justifiable reason for detracting in that case.

Why shouldn't cats be our equals? I have never heard an intelligent justification for why vertebrates that aren't food or pests should have less right to life than humans (I know there are places where cats are food, but they are not relevant to our discussion here).

And bacteria, being single-celled organisms with no neurological activity, are a completely different story. You know that, so don't go there.

Of course I think bacteria have objectively less value than a cat - that's not the point I'm trying to make. For the same reasons you find fault in heavily punishing someone for harming bacteria, though, are the same reasons I find fault in heavily punishing someone for harming a cat, or any other animal like it.
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4/23/2013 9:44:33 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 8:45:38 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/23/2013 7:34:32 PM, APB wrote:
At 4/23/2013 6:35:53 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/23/2013 6:30:08 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
"Personally, I think the both of them should be hanged. At the very least, they should spend 20 years in prison. That's what they'd get if it had been an elderly lady, how's a cat any different?"

If that's what they would get if it had been an elderly lady, then the only just punishment would be less than twenty years in prison - unless you seriously want to consider humans and cats as being equal.

^ in which case I would inquire if you consider the life of a bacteria to be a value, and if a breach of said bacteria's life should be punishable by death or twenty years in prison. If you want to equate all life as being equal, then you'd have no justifiable reason for detracting in that case.

Why shouldn't cats be our equals? I have never heard an intelligent justification for why vertebrates that aren't food or pests should have less right to life than humans (I know there are places where cats are food, but they are not relevant to our discussion here).

And bacteria, being single-celled organisms with no neurological activity, are a completely different story. You know that, so don't go there.

Of course I think bacteria have objectively less value than a cat - that's not the point I'm trying to make. For the same reasons you find fault in heavily punishing someone for harming bacteria, though, are the same reasons I find fault in heavily punishing someone for harming a cat, or any other animal like it.

My problem with punishing people who "murder" bacteria is that it would be impossible to prove, screw up the field of medicine, and is pointless as bacteria are single-celled organisms with no neurological function.

Are those the same reasons you have for not wanting to punish cat-killers?
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4/23/2013 9:50:30 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 9:44:33 PM, APB wrote:
At 4/23/2013 8:45:38 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/23/2013 7:34:32 PM, APB wrote:
At 4/23/2013 6:35:53 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/23/2013 6:30:08 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
"Personally, I think the both of them should be hanged. At the very least, they should spend 20 years in prison. That's what they'd get if it had been an elderly lady, how's a cat any different?"

If that's what they would get if it had been an elderly lady, then the only just punishment would be less than twenty years in prison - unless you seriously want to consider humans and cats as being equal.

^ in which case I would inquire if you consider the life of a bacteria to be a value, and if a breach of said bacteria's life should be punishable by death or twenty years in prison. If you want to equate all life as being equal, then you'd have no justifiable reason for detracting in that case.

Why shouldn't cats be our equals? I have never heard an intelligent justification for why vertebrates that aren't food or pests should have less right to life than humans (I know there are places where cats are food, but they are not relevant to our discussion here).

And bacteria, being single-celled organisms with no neurological activity, are a completely different story. You know that, so don't go there.

Of course I think bacteria have objectively less value than a cat - that's not the point I'm trying to make. For the same reasons you find fault in heavily punishing someone for harming bacteria, though, are the same reasons I find fault in heavily punishing someone for harming a cat, or any other animal like it.

My problem with punishing people who "murder" bacteria is that it would be impossible to prove, screw up the field of medicine, and is pointless as bacteria are single-celled organisms with no neurological function.

Are those the same reasons you have for not wanting to punish cat-killers?

In effect, yes. All your points contribute to the argument that bacteria do not have as much value, and therefore, do not have rights in the same way humans do. We can switch to a fly if this is too abstract for you.
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4/23/2013 10:09:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/23/2013 9:50:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/23/2013 9:44:33 PM, APB wrote:
At 4/23/2013 8:45:38 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/23/2013 7:34:32 PM, APB wrote:
At 4/23/2013 6:35:53 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 4/23/2013 6:30:08 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
"Personally, I think the both of them should be hanged. At the very least, they should spend 20 years in prison. That's what they'd get if it had been an elderly lady, how's a cat any different?"

If that's what they would get if it had been an elderly lady, then the only just punishment would be less than twenty years in prison - unless you seriously want to consider humans and cats as being equal.

^ in which case I would inquire if you consider the life of a bacteria to be a value, and if a breach of said bacteria's life should be punishable by death or twenty years in prison. If you want to equate all life as being equal, then you'd have no justifiable reason for detracting in that case.

Why shouldn't cats be our equals? I have never heard an intelligent justification for why vertebrates that aren't food or pests should have less right to life than humans (I know there are places where cats are food, but they are not relevant to our discussion here).

And bacteria, being single-celled organisms with no neurological activity, are a completely different story. You know that, so don't go there.

Of course I think bacteria have objectively less value than a cat - that's not the point I'm trying to make. For the same reasons you find fault in heavily punishing someone for harming bacteria, though, are the same reasons I find fault in heavily punishing someone for harming a cat, or any other animal like it.

My problem with punishing people who "murder" bacteria is that it would be impossible to prove, screw up the field of medicine, and is pointless as bacteria are single-celled organisms with no neurological function.

Are those the same reasons you have for not wanting to punish cat-killers?

In effect, yes. All your points contribute to the argument that bacteria do not have as much value, and therefore, do not have rights in the same way humans do. We can switch to a fly if this is too abstract for you.

No, I meant "are those the specific reasons". It was a rhetorical question, because cat-killing can be proved, has no effect on medicine, and cats are multi-cellular with neurological function. So what are your specific criteria that make cat-killing not as bad as human-killing?