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4/27/2013 2:35:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Where do you stand on hermaphrodites? Are they allowed to have sex with a man, or a woman, or no one? Do you just think they are horrible people no matter what? What is your opinion?
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4/27/2013 3:21:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/27/2013 2:35:22 PM, muzebreak wrote:
Where do you stand on hermaphrodites? Are they allowed to have sex with a man, or a woman, or no one? Do you just think they are horrible people no matter what? What is your opinion?

I am not against gays but i want to throw out that gays are better people than any one who says yes to the question i just bolded
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4/27/2013 3:31:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/27/2013 3:21:01 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 4/27/2013 2:35:22 PM, muzebreak wrote:
Where do you stand on hermaphrodites? Are they allowed to have sex with a man, or a woman, or no one? Do you just think they are horrible people no matter what? What is your opinion?

I am not against gays but i want to throw out that gays are better people than any one who says yes to the question i just bolded

It's not fair to lump all the homosexuals together like that.

I'm sure there are plenty of gays who are far worse people than those who would say yes to that question you bolded ;)
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4/27/2013 5:56:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I have a personal repulsion towards hemaphrodites but I don't see how anybody can justify legal discrimination towards them.
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4/28/2013 4:36:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Hemaphrodite in islam is as follows:

If he as a baby have both genitals of a boy and a girl, we watch where he urinates from to decide what he is. if he urinated from both, we wait until puberty.

If as a baby he hasn't appearing genitals we wait to puberty.

if at puberty he develops Male characteristics , facial hair, voice changes, and eventually male genitals then he is a man.

if he doesn't develop any of these then he is considered a woman.

Hermaphrodites end up being either a man or a woman, not both.

It isn't necessary to determine what sex is the baby from birth, but sometimes it is confusing, a female may appear as a male and be declared as such , but only in puberty would she develop her(or his should I say ) true identity.
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4/28/2013 7:25:27 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/28/2013 4:36:54 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Hemaphrodite in islam is as follows:

If he as a baby have both genitals of a boy and a girl, we watch where he urinates from to decide what he is. if he urinated from both, we wait until puberty.

If as a baby he hasn't appearing genitals we wait to puberty.

if at puberty he develops Male characteristics , facial hair, voice changes, and eventually male genitals then he is a man.

if he doesn't develop any of these then he is considered a woman.

Hermaphrodites end up being either a man or a woman, not both.

It isn't necessary to determine what sex is the baby from birth, but sometimes it is confusing, a female may appear as a male and be declared as such , but only in puberty would she develop her(or his should I say ) true identity.

What about mosaic/chimera cases where the person has the genome of two people?
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4/29/2013 3:43:23 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I guess you reffer to when a person is a true hermaphrodite ?

Well this is extremely rare, but if the person happens to be equally a male and a female and is religious , then the person has to choose to be a female or a male, in the past we'd take hormonal additives that we find in plants, or the doctors can choose for the person according to what is easier or less dangerous , and a surgery should be done to definitely stop the function of one of her two sexes. It is very important that one has a determined gender by the time of adulthood.

Once the gender is determined , the marriage ect are just concequesces.
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4/29/2013 4:13:13 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
They are not horrible as a person, they have every right to have sex. They just don't have it with me.

I have nothing against gay or double gender person, I just prefer women when it come to sex.
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5/2/2013 10:12:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/28/2013 4:36:54 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Hemaphrodite in islam is as follows:

If he as a baby have both genitals of a boy and a girl, we watch where he urinates from to decide what he is. if he urinated from both, we wait until puberty.

If as a baby he hasn't appearing genitals we wait to puberty.

if at puberty he develops Male characteristics , facial hair, voice changes, and eventually male genitals then he is a man.

if he doesn't develop any of these then he is considered a woman.

Hermaphrodites end up being either a man or a woman, not both.

It isn't necessary to determine what sex is the baby from birth, but sometimes it is confusing, a female may appear as a male and be declared as such , but only in puberty would she develop her(or his should I say ) true identity.

This sounds like a pretty good idea. I like it. I'm taking a human sexuality course and we're going over nonstandard gender identity.

But as to the OP question: homosexuals aren't "horrible people..." Christianity rightly understood does not render them such. My best guy friend is bisexual, however we are both Christians. I have committed more sexual sin than he has, because I've actually had sex with a girl. He is only attracted to guys; he knows homosexual behavior is sinful, and so abstains.

If there was one thing I wish people understood about the Christian view of homosexuality, it's that homosexual behavior is the sin. not homosexuality, or being homosexual.
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5/2/2013 10:25:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 4/28/2013 4:36:54 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Hemaphrodite in islam is as follows:

If he as a baby have both genitals of a boy and a girl, we watch where he urinates from to decide what he is. if he urinated from both, we wait until puberty.

If as a baby he hasn't appearing genitals we wait to puberty.

if at puberty he develops Male characteristics , facial hair, voice changes, and eventually male genitals then he is a man.

if he doesn't develop any of these then he is considered a woman.

Hermaphrodites end up being either a man or a woman, not both.

It isn't necessary to determine what sex is the baby from birth, but sometimes it is confusing, a female may appear as a male and be declared as such , but only in puberty would she develop her(or his should I say ) true identity.

And if the he/she dies before puberty? Does s/he get 72 virgins, or is s/he one of the 72 virgins?
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5/2/2013 4:33:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/2/2013 10:12:30 AM, Sui_Generis wrote:
At 4/28/2013 4:36:54 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Hemaphrodite in islam is as follows:

If he as a baby have both genitals of a boy and a girl, we watch where he urinates from to decide what he is. if he urinated from both, we wait until puberty.

If as a baby he hasn't appearing genitals we wait to puberty.

if at puberty he develops Male characteristics , facial hair, voice changes, and eventually male genitals then he is a man.

if he doesn't develop any of these then he is considered a woman.

Hermaphrodites end up being either a man or a woman, not both.

It isn't necessary to determine what sex is the baby from birth, but sometimes it is confusing, a female may appear as a male and be declared as such , but only in puberty would she develop her(or his should I say ) true identity.

This sounds like a pretty good idea. I like it. I'm taking a human sexuality course and we're going over nonstandard gender identity.

But as to the OP question: homosexuals aren't "horrible people..." Christianity rightly understood does not render them such. My best guy friend is bisexual, however we are both Christians. I have committed more sexual sin than he has, because I've actually had sex with a girl. He is only attracted to guys; he knows homosexual behavior is sinful, and so abstains.

If there was one thing I wish people understood about the Christian view of homosexuality, it's that homosexual behavior is the sin. not homosexuality, or being homosexual.

And, that it is a choice to engage is said behavior.
However, when people say homosexuality is a choice, do they mean it is a choice to be attracted to men, or to actively seek their companionship?
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5/3/2013 12:20:54 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/2/2013 4:33:29 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 5/2/2013 10:12:30 AM, Sui_Generis wrote:
At 4/28/2013 4:36:54 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Hemaphrodite in islam is as follows:

If he as a baby have both genitals of a boy and a girl, we watch where he urinates from to decide what he is. if he urinated from both, we wait until puberty.

If as a baby he hasn't appearing genitals we wait to puberty.

if at puberty he develops Male characteristics , facial hair, voice changes, and eventually male genitals then he is a man.

if he doesn't develop any of these then he is considered a woman.

Hermaphrodites end up being either a man or a woman, not both.

It isn't necessary to determine what sex is the baby from birth, but sometimes it is confusing, a female may appear as a male and be declared as such , but only in puberty would she develop her(or his should I say ) true identity.

This sounds like a pretty good idea. I like it. I'm taking a human sexuality course and we're going over nonstandard gender identity.

But as to the OP question: homosexuals aren't "horrible people..." Christianity rightly understood does not render them such. My best guy friend is bisexual, however we are both Christians. I have committed more sexual sin than he has, because I've actually had sex with a girl. He is only attracted to guys; he knows homosexual behavior is sinful, and so abstains.

If there was one thing I wish people understood about the Christian view of homosexuality, it's that homosexual behavior is the sin. not homosexuality, or being homosexual.

And, that it is a choice to engage is said behavior.
However, when people say homosexuality is a choice, do they mean it is a choice to be attracted to men, or to actively seek their companionship?

Judging by the general ignorance of people who say that (which I gauge by the amount of pseudoscience and confirmation bias they use to defend their belief), I unfortunately think it is the former in many cases. When they say the latter, though, it isn't much better - if they're willing to tell someone to not have sex, then they should either be willing to make a similar sacrifice as well or shut their mouths.
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5/3/2013 2:23:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/2/2013 10:25:27 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 4/28/2013 4:36:54 AM, Fruitytree wrote:
Hemaphrodite in islam is as follows:

If he as a baby have both genitals of a boy and a girl, we watch where he urinates from to decide what he is. if he urinated from both, we wait until puberty.

If as a baby he hasn't appearing genitals we wait to puberty.

if at puberty he develops Male characteristics , facial hair, voice changes, and eventually male genitals then he is a man.

if he doesn't develop any of these then he is considered a woman.

Hermaphrodites end up being either a man or a woman, not both.

It isn't necessary to determine what sex is the baby from birth, but sometimes it is confusing, a female may appear as a male and be declared as such , but only in puberty would she develop her(or his should I say ) true identity.

And if the he/she dies before puberty? Does s/he get 72 virgins, or is s/he one of the 72 virgins?

If He or she Is from the inhabitants of paradise, of course.. why not ?!
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5/3/2013 7:29:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
I have nothing against homosexuals. And quite frankly the idea that if you don't approve of everything on the homosexual agenda it automatically makes you against homosexuals is always the narrative. This narrative is used on pupose. It is used to marginalize any and all who would oppose anything the homosexual agenda puts forward.

For instance, there is no possible way you could be in favor of defending the institution of marrige as being between a man and a woman. There is only one narrative. You are against gays and that is why you want to defend the institution of marrige. End of story end of debate end of all dialog. Works every time.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

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5/3/2013 9:11:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/3/2013 7:29:59 PM, sadolite wrote:
I have nothing against homosexuals. And quite frankly the idea that if you don't approve of everything on the homosexual agenda it automatically makes you against homosexuals is always the narrative. This narrative is used on pupose. It is used to marginalize any and all who would oppose anything the homosexual agenda puts forward.

For instance, there is no possible way you could be in favor of defending the institution of marrige as being between a man and a woman. There is only one narrative. You are against gays and that is why you want to defend the institution of marrige. End of story end of debate end of all dialog. Works every time.

Might I ask what you hope to gain through defending the institution of marriage? Or what you have to lose through failure of its defense?

Oh, wait, that's right. Nothing. This is why people use this 'narrative' you speak of. There is absolutely NO REASON to be against ANY of it.
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5/3/2013 9:17:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/3/2013 7:29:59 PM, sadolite wrote:
I have nothing against homosexuals. And quite frankly the idea that if you don't approve of everything on the homosexual agenda it automatically makes you against homosexuals is always the narrative. This narrative is used on pupose. It is used to marginalize any and all who would oppose anything the homosexual agenda puts forward.

For instance, there is no possible way you could be in favor of defending the institution of marrige as being between a man and a woman. There is only one narrative. You are against gays and that is why you want to defend the institution of marrige. End of story end of debate end of all dialog. Works every time.

What the fvck IS this "homosexual agenda?"
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5/3/2013 9:53:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/3/2013 9:17:32 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 5/3/2013 7:29:59 PM, sadolite wrote:
I have nothing against homosexuals. And quite frankly the idea that if you don't approve of everything on the homosexual agenda it automatically makes you against homosexuals is always the narrative. This narrative is used on pupose. It is used to marginalize any and all who would oppose anything the homosexual agenda puts forward.

For instance, there is no possible way you could be in favor of defending the institution of marrige as being between a man and a woman. There is only one narrative. You are against gays and that is why you want to defend the institution of marrige. End of story end of debate end of all dialog. Works every time.

What the fvck IS this "homosexual agenda?"

I think this might be it:
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5/6/2013 11:21:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/3/2013 9:11:32 PM, drhead wrote:
At 5/3/2013 7:29:59 PM, sadolite wrote:
I have nothing against homosexuals. And quite frankly the idea that if you don't approve of everything on the homosexual agenda it automatically makes you against homosexuals is always the narrative. This narrative is used on pupose. It is used to marginalize any and all who would oppose anything the homosexual agenda puts forward.

For instance, there is no possible way you could be in favor of defending the institution of marrige as being between a man and a woman. There is only one narrative. You are against gays and that is why you want to defend the institution of marrige. End of story end of debate end of all dialog. Works every time.

Might I ask what you hope to gain through defending the institution of marriage? Or what you have to lose through failure of its defense?

Oh, wait, that's right. Nothing. This is why people use this 'narrative' you speak of. There is absolutely NO REASON to be against ANY of it.

I rest my case.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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5/6/2013 11:26:53 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/6/2013 11:21:04 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 5/3/2013 9:11:32 PM, drhead wrote:
At 5/3/2013 7:29:59 PM, sadolite wrote:
I have nothing against homosexuals. And quite frankly the idea that if you don't approve of everything on the homosexual agenda it automatically makes you against homosexuals is always the narrative. This narrative is used on pupose. It is used to marginalize any and all who would oppose anything the homosexual agenda puts forward.

For instance, there is no possible way you could be in favor of defending the institution of marrige as being between a man and a woman. There is only one narrative. You are against gays and that is why you want to defend the institution of marrige. End of story end of debate end of all dialog. Works every time.

Might I ask what you hope to gain through defending the institution of marriage? Or what you have to lose through failure of its defense?

Oh, wait, that's right. Nothing. This is why people use this 'narrative' you speak of. There is absolutely NO REASON to be against ANY of it.

I rest my case. As you can painly and blatantly see you have set the homosexual naritive. So anything I may put forward is all based on bigotry. As you have stated "there can be no other reason to oppose gay marrige". Diolog is pointless, debate is pointless. Works every time.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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5/6/2013 4:55:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 5/6/2013 11:26:53 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 5/6/2013 11:21:04 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 5/3/2013 9:11:32 PM, drhead wrote:
At 5/3/2013 7:29:59 PM, sadolite wrote:
I have nothing against homosexuals. And quite frankly the idea that if you don't approve of everything on the homosexual agenda it automatically makes you against homosexuals is always the narrative. This narrative is used on pupose. It is used to marginalize any and all who would oppose anything the homosexual agenda puts forward.

For instance, there is no possible way you could be in favor of defending the institution of marrige as being between a man and a woman. There is only one narrative. You are against gays and that is why you want to defend the institution of marrige. End of story end of debate end of all dialog. Works every time.

Might I ask what you hope to gain through defending the institution of marriage? Or what you have to lose through failure of its defense?

Oh, wait, that's right. Nothing. This is why people use this 'narrative' you speak of. There is absolutely NO REASON to be against ANY of it.

I rest my case. As you can painly and blatantly see you have set the homosexual naritive. So anything I may put forward is all based on bigotry. As you have stated "there can be no other reason to oppose gay marrige". Diolog is pointless, debate is pointless. Works every time.

If you feel that I am using this "narrative" to dismiss all your arguments while being unwilling to back it up, you are mistaken. I have challenged you to a debate to give you the opportunity to defend your viewpoint, and I wish you the best of luck.
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