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Danielle
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11/24/2009 10:14:22 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
The FLDS and groups like it absolutely fascinate me.

On another (relevant) note, Utah is fuggin WEIRD. How could they let this happen?

What are your thoughts on government intervention in these situations?
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11/24/2009 10:24:58 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
It's hard enough to get laid without some douche getting multiple to sign on the dotted line of exclusivity. Ban polygamy.

Kidding, you already know my real position.
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11/24/2009 10:32:55 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/24/2009 10:29:00 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Polygamy should be one of the BIG Issues.

Would you be Pro or Con?
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11/24/2009 10:37:20 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/24/2009 10:32:39 PM, theLwerd wrote:
What's your position?

I hope this wasn't directed at me.
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11/24/2009 10:57:48 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/24/2009 10:37:20 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:32:39 PM, theLwerd wrote:
What's your position?

I hope this wasn't directed at me.

It was ; )
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11/24/2009 11:10:24 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/24/2009 10:57:48 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:37:20 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:32:39 PM, theLwerd wrote:
What's your position?

I hope this wasn't directed at me.

It was ; )

In that event, I'm glad you're satisfied with your most recent purchase of marijuana, nothing else explains being unable to figure that one out :).
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11/24/2009 11:14:22 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/24/2009 11:10:24 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:57:48 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:37:20 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:32:39 PM, theLwerd wrote:
What's your position?

I hope this wasn't directed at me.

It was ; )

In that event, I'm glad you're satisfied with your most recent purchase of marijuana, nothing else explains being unable to figure that one out :).

I'm pretty sure it's similar to my position - which is PRO legalization.
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11/24/2009 11:58:23 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I sure want multiple wives someday.

Easier to take-care of kids.
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11/25/2009 6:53:19 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
I don't even understand how they could enforce the law.

-3 people are living together for 10+ years
-the guy has kids with both women
-Put'em all in jail!

How is this, and what's the difference for what they, or their church, call each other; husband and wives, or John, Jane and Mary, wasn't this part covered under freedom of speech.
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11/25/2009 10:34:14 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/24/2009 10:14:22 PM, theLwerd wrote:
The FLDS and groups like it absolutely fascinate me.

On another (relevant) note, Utah is fuggin WEIRD. How could they let this happen?

What are your thoughts on government intervention in these situations?

Because America is hypocritical, just like the rest of the world. You can't do that, but I can.
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11/25/2009 12:16:36 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I don't really agree with polygamous marriage at all. It just doesn't work. It's unfair to the wives.

I don't know if I'd make it illegal, though. Maybe, maybe not.
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11/25/2009 12:18:30 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/25/2009 12:16:36 PM, LeafRod wrote:
I don't really agree with polygamous marriage at all. It just doesn't work. It's unfair to the wives.

I don't know if I'd make it illegal, though. Maybe, maybe not.

It is not only unfair to the wives, what about the children?
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11/25/2009 12:21:51 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/25/2009 12:18:30 PM, kelly224 wrote:
At 11/25/2009 12:16:36 PM, LeafRod wrote:
I don't really agree with polygamous marriage at all. It just doesn't work. It's unfair to the wives.

I don't know if I'd make it illegal, though. Maybe, maybe not.

It is not only unfair to the wives, what about the children?
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11/25/2009 12:53:13 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/25/2009 12:18:30 PM, kelly224 wrote:
At 11/25/2009 12:16:36 PM, LeafRod wrote:
I don't really agree with polygamous marriage at all. It just doesn't work. It's unfair to the wives.

I don't know if I'd make it illegal, though. Maybe, maybe not.

It is not only unfair to the wives, what about the children?
It's not unfair to either, as long as both divorce and running away are legalized along with polygamy.
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11/25/2009 1:36:52 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
The issue of fairness would be eliminated if both polygamy and polyandry were legalized at the same time.

If government were to completely cease from interference in marriage, the men/women ratio would be completely a matter of choice among the parties involved.

Should marriage be fair? I was under the impression that it is usually balanced in favour of one party or the other...
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11/25/2009 1:40:28 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/25/2009 1:36:52 PM, Chrysippus wrote:
The issue of fairness would be eliminated if both polygamy and polyandry were legalized at the same time.
Polyandry is included in the term polygamy. It's polygyny that's multi-woman specific.
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11/25/2009 2:20:16 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/25/2009 1:40:28 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/25/2009 1:36:52 PM, Chrysippus wrote:
The issue of fairness would be eliminated if both polygamy and polyandry were legalized at the same time.
Polyandry is included in the term polygamy. It's polygyny that's multi-woman specific.

You're right.

Blast; forgot which was which. Carry on!
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11/25/2009 2:24:03 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/24/2009 11:10:24 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:57:48 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:37:20 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:32:39 PM, theLwerd wrote:
What's your position?

I hope this wasn't directed at me.

It was ; )

In that event, I'm glad you're satisfied with your most recent purchase of marijuana, nothing else explains being unable to figure that one out :).

Lol, it's not like we keep tabs on your belief system. I'll wiki what Ayn Rand thinks of it, that should shed some light on what you think of it. ;)
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11/25/2009 2:34:50 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Ewwww, Rand, srsly?

If you allow Gay marriage you should also "logically" allow polygamy.

It's like a Religously approved 3some or 4some or 5some...ect.

+It's marriage after all, so it's not lighthearted.

OMD... a poly-union.
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11/25/2009 2:38:57 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I think having more than one wife is a very bad idea. Indeed, one wife is more than enough in my experience!

Why do these men marry these women? Why not just have affairs? That way when they decide to pull the plug on the relationship, no lawyers will be sending them snotty letters demanding ridiculous sums of money as part of the divorce settlement!
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11/25/2009 4:20:59 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/25/2009 2:24:03 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 11/24/2009 11:10:24 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:57:48 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:37:20 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:32:39 PM, theLwerd wrote:
What's your position?

I hope this wasn't directed at me.

It was ; )

In that event, I'm glad you're satisfied with your most recent purchase of marijuana, nothing else explains being unable to figure that one out :).

Lol, it's not like we keep tabs on your belief system.
It's listed on my profile under "ideology" in the condensed form "Libertarian." It's impossible for a radical libertarian to be in favor of the prohibition of polygamy lol.
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11/25/2009 4:48:04 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/25/2009 4:20:59 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/25/2009 2:24:03 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 11/24/2009 11:10:24 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:57:48 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:37:20 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:32:39 PM, theLwerd wrote:
What's your position?

I hope this wasn't directed at me.

It was ; )

In that event, I'm glad you're satisfied with your most recent purchase of marijuana, nothing else explains being unable to figure that one out :).

Lol, it's not like we keep tabs on your belief system.
It's listed on my profile under "ideology" in the condensed form "Libertarian." It's impossible for a radical libertarian to be in favor of the prohibition of polygamy lol.

I'm pretty ignorant of political ideologies, so I'd like to get your idea on a few things.

1. Do you agree with every idea or belief which comes under the broad ideology we call Libertarianism?
2. Did your long-held beliefs make you realize you were Libertarian, or did you "become" Libertarian and then realize what it is you were supposed to believe?
3. Don't you think it's a little constrictive to say "I'm a Libertarian"? (Or Anarchist or Socialist, etc.)
4. Are Libertarians allowed to agree with Conservatives (for example) on certain things?
5. What would I be considered if I agree with Libertarians on certain things, Anarchists on certain others, and so forth? Why do I have to have a title?

I'm not doubting your convictions (or those of anybody who pegs themself with an ideological title), just curious how you can sum up your entire belief system with one word.
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

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11/25/2009 5:16:16 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/25/2009 4:48:04 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 11/25/2009 4:20:59 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/25/2009 2:24:03 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
At 11/24/2009 11:10:24 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:57:48 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:37:20 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/24/2009 10:32:39 PM, theLwerd wrote:
What's your position?

I hope this wasn't directed at me.

It was ; )

In that event, I'm glad you're satisfied with your most recent purchase of marijuana, nothing else explains being unable to figure that one out :).

Lol, it's not like we keep tabs on your belief system.
It's listed on my profile under "ideology" in the condensed form "Libertarian." It's impossible for a radical libertarian to be in favor of the prohibition of polygamy lol.

I'm pretty ignorant of political ideologies, so I'd like to get your idea on a few things.

1. Do you agree with every idea or belief which comes under the broad ideology we call Libertarianism?
Put it this way-- nothing I believe contradicts libertarianism. And libertarianism is not a broad ideology.

2. Did your long-held beliefs make you realize you were Libertarian, or did you "become" Libertarian and then realize what it is you were supposed to believe?
The former.

3. Don't you think it's a little constrictive to say "I'm a Libertarian"? (Or Anarchist or Socialist, etc.)
Why? It's an accurate description. Heck, it deconstricts my time :).

4. Are Libertarians allowed to agree with Conservatives (for example) on certain things?
Libertarians are "allowed" to do what they want, there is no "penalty" other than not being libertarian anymore, and yes, libertarians do agree with conservatives on several things.

5. What would I be considered if I agree with Libertarians on certain things, Anarchists on certain others, and so forth? Why do I have to have a title?
You don't have to have a title, and your information is insufficient to give you one anyway. The title is for convenience of those who do fit it. :)
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11/25/2009 5:22:45 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
1. Do you agree with every idea or belief which comes under the broad ideology we call Libertarianism?
Put it this way-- nothing I believe contradicts libertarianism. And libertarianism is not a broad ideology.

It's not?

From Wiki: "Libertarianism is a term adopted by a broad spectrum[1] of political philosophies which advocate the maximization of individual liberty."

It is then divided into "Non-proprietarian libertarianism" and "Proprietary libertarianism", each of which have several sub-ideologies like geolibertarianism, minarchism and so forth.

2. Did your long-held beliefs make you realize you were Libertarian, or did you "become" Libertarian and then realize what it is you were supposed to believe?
The former.

3. Don't you think it's a little constrictive to say "I'm a Libertarian"? (Or Anarchist or Socialist, etc.)
Why? It's an accurate description. Heck, it deconstricts my time :).

Good call. :D

4. Are Libertarians allowed to agree with Conservatives (for example) on certain things?
Libertarians are "allowed" to do what they want, there is no "penalty" other than not being libertarian anymore, and yes, libertarians do agree with conservatives on several things.

Wait, so you say that libertarians agree with conservatives on several things, but that the "penalty" for doing so is no longer being libertarian? o.O

Did I misread?

5. What would I be considered if I agree with Libertarians on certain things, Anarchists on certain others, and so forth? Why do I have to have a title?
You don't have to have a title, and your information is insufficient to give you one anyway. The title is for convenience of those who do fit it. :)

Fair enough.

Thanks for taking the time to answer, as I said I'm pretty ignorant about it all so I do appreciate it. :)
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5
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11/25/2009 5:33:26 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/25/2009 5:22:45 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
1. Do you agree with every idea or belief which comes under the broad ideology we call Libertarianism?
Put it this way-- nothing I believe contradicts libertarianism. And libertarianism is not a broad ideology.

It's not?

From Wiki: "Libertarianism is a term adopted by a broad spectrum[1] of political philosophies which advocate the maximization of individual liberty."
Don't believe everything wiki says. It's good on technical stuff.


It is then divided into "Non-proprietarian libertarianism" and "Proprietary libertarianism", each of which have several sub-ideologies like geolibertarianism, minarchism and so forth.
In North America at least, non-proprietarian libertarianism is specified with a "libertarian socialism" qualifier, besides which, it's also a contradiction :P.



4. Are Libertarians allowed to agree with Conservatives (for example) on certain things?
Libertarians are "allowed" to do what they want, there is no "penalty" other than not being libertarian anymore, and yes, libertarians do agree with conservatives on several things.

Wait, so you say that libertarians agree with conservatives on several things, but that the "penalty" for doing so is no longer being libertarian?
No, the penalty for agreeing on the wrong things. lol. The primary intent was to disavow other penalties, not to state that incidentally agreeing with a conservative automatically brings that one.
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11/25/2009 5:43:27 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 11/25/2009 5:33:26 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/25/2009 5:22:45 PM, leet4A1 wrote:
1. Do you agree with every idea or belief which comes under the broad ideology we call Libertarianism?
Put it this way-- nothing I believe contradicts libertarianism. And libertarianism is not a broad ideology.

It's not?

From Wiki: "Libertarianism is a term adopted by a broad spectrum[1] of political philosophies which advocate the maximization of individual liberty."
Don't believe everything wiki says. It's good on technical stuff.


It is then divided into "Non-proprietarian libertarianism" and "Proprietary libertarianism", each of which have several sub-ideologies like geolibertarianism, minarchism and so forth.
In North America at least, non-proprietarian libertarianism is specified with a "libertarian socialism" qualifier, besides which, it's also a contradiction :P.




4. Are Libertarians allowed to agree with Conservatives (for example) on certain things?
Libertarians are "allowed" to do what they want, there is no "penalty" other than not being libertarian anymore, and yes, libertarians do agree with conservatives on several things.

Wait, so you say that libertarians agree with conservatives on several things, but that the "penalty" for doing so is no longer being libertarian?
No, the penalty for agreeing on the wrong things. lol. The primary intent was to disavow other penalties, not to state that incidentally agreeing with a conservative automatically brings that one.

Gotcha, thanks man.

From reading through that wiki article, I agree with many libertarian ideals. But I also I agree with other ideologies on a number of things, so I don't think I could choose just one. I'll continue with my "Apathetic" tag under ideology. :D
"Let me tell you the truth. The truth is, 'what is'. And 'what should be' is a fantasy, a terrible terrible lie that someone gave to the people long ago. The 'what should be' never did exist, but people keep trying to live up to it. There is no 'what should be,' there is only what is." - Lenny Bruce

"Satan goes to church, did you know that?" - Godsands

"And Genisis 1 does match modern science... you just have to try really hard." - GR33K FR33K5