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Vi_Veri
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12/20/2009 7:37:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
So the courts are now trying to decide whether or not it's legal for us to be naked in our own homes because of some idiot who happened to see a man naked through his window. Could you think of a bigger waste of the court's time? I Can't. lol

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12/20/2009 7:43:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/20/2009 7:37:09 PM, Vi_Veri wrote:
So the courts are now trying to decide whether or not it's legal for us to be naked in our own homes because of some idiot who happened to see a man naked through his window. Could you think of a bigger waste of the court's time? I Can't. lol


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What is this world coming to? If you're that prune as to take a man to trial for going "all naturale" in his own home, you don't even deserve to be his neighbor ;)
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12/20/2009 7:46:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I think they should outlaw ugly people from being naked in their houses!

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12/20/2009 11:03:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/20/2009 8:32:35 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Ok, wtf? It's a person's own home. They can be naked if they want.

Ok, wtf? I have to pay rent on something I own? (Property Tax)
I think it's just a natural extension. If the state is the landowner, they get to say what you do on that land.
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"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
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12/21/2009 1:17:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
This is quite a failure of an idea.

How would we manage to wash ourselves if we're unable to be naked inside our own homes?

I don't think there is any way this will pass even with the most conservative judge imaginable.
studentathletechristian8
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12/21/2009 10:42:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 1:17:22 AM, Volkov wrote:
This is quite a failure of an idea.

How would we manage to wash ourselves if we're unable to be naked inside our own homes?

I don't think there is any way this will pass even with the most conservative judge imaginable.

Precisely what I was thinking. (Referencing body bathing)
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12/21/2009 11:02:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I would move out of the country. I love doing that to much. America is supposedly the land of the free, however were far from it, and conceiving the idea that we can't be naked in the one small bit of property that we own demolishes it.
Why kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?
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12/21/2009 11:03:38 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
It's not a matter of being able to wash yourself, its a matter of freedom i say! muahahaha!
Why kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?
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12/21/2009 11:04:17 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/20/2009 11:03:52 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
At 12/20/2009 8:32:35 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Ok, wtf? It's a person's own home. They can be naked if they want.

Ok, wtf? I have to pay rent on something I own? (Property Tax)
I think it's just a natural extension. If the state is the landowner, they get to say what you do on that land.

But being naked creates no harm. It's not like they're vandalizing or something.
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12/21/2009 11:04:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
(Oh and you could wear a bathing suit in the shower/bath =) )
Why kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?
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12/21/2009 11:06:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
"I'm not a proponent of walking around naked all the time, unless you're Megan Fox or Kim Kardashian then by all means have at it."

LOVE IT.
Why kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?
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12/21/2009 11:10:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 1:17:22 AM, Volkov wrote:
This is quite a failure of an idea.

How would we manage to wash ourselves if we're unable to be naked inside our own homes?

I don't think there is any way this will pass even with the most conservative judge imaginable.

Agreed.

A right to unprivacy is one of the most fundamental rights that this nation was founded upon. Our founding fathers would be turning in their slaves!

I mean, I should have the right to sit atop the sturdy branches of a tree, and use my specialized binoculars to watch pretty ladies showering during the night when nobody would expect, and the beauty of the moon like a lover's caress providing the light, which collides with their bathroom's own and illuminates their plump and succulent flesh, as they cleanse themselves of their naughty, naughty sins, the water from the shower head, up above them like I, and purifying them, the disgusting dirty things they do, those sinful thoughts, and the soap touching their bodies and encapsulating them, engulfing them like the flames of love, but to put them out with water, their salty skin that I could just bathe in for hours, succulent, succulent flesh, their sinful thoughts
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12/21/2009 11:15:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
The only time I could ever imagine something like this being a problem is in the case of peeping toms, but there's a simple solution: don't be a peeping tom in the first place!
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12/21/2009 11:19:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 11:04:17 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 12/20/2009 11:03:52 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
At 12/20/2009 8:32:35 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Ok, wtf? It's a person's own home. They can be naked if they want.

Ok, wtf? I have to pay rent on something I own? (Property Tax)
I think it's just a natural extension. If the state is the landowner, they get to say what you do on that land.

But being naked creates no harm. It's not like they're vandalizing or something.

....and owning land creates harm???
: If you weren't new here, you'd know not to feed me such attention. This is like an orgasm in my brain right now. *hehe, my name is in a title, hehe* (http://www.debate.org...)

Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
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12/21/2009 11:21:41 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 11:19:29 AM, Rezzealaux wrote:
At 12/21/2009 11:04:17 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 12/20/2009 11:03:52 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
At 12/20/2009 8:32:35 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Ok, wtf? It's a person's own home. They can be naked if they want.

Ok, wtf? I have to pay rent on something I own? (Property Tax)
I think it's just a natural extension. If the state is the landowner, they get to say what you do on that land.

But being naked creates no harm. It's not like they're vandalizing or something.

....and owning land creates harm???

InsertNameHere doesn't realize that you're against the property tax...
Danielle
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12/21/2009 11:28:51 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 11:02:56 AM, alex_hanson911 wrote:

America is supposedly the land of the free, however were far from it...

It's interesting how you're complaining about America not being "free," meanwhile you're against things like abortion, drug legalization and gay marriage. Hey here's a thought -- If you don't want those things, don't have them! Don't do drugs, don't have an abortion (or ask your gf to get one), and don't marry a guy. Other than that, other people should be free to do as they please so long as they don't hurt you or violate your rights, right?
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12/21/2009 11:33:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 11:28:51 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 12/21/2009 11:02:56 AM, alex_hanson911 wrote:

America is supposedly the land of the free, however were far from it...

It's interesting how you're complaining about America not being "free," meanwhile you're against things like abortion, drug legalization and gay marriage. Hey here's a thought -- If you don't want those things, don't have them! Don't do drugs, don't have an abortion (or ask your gf to get one), and don't marry a guy. Other than that, other people should be free to do as they please so long as they don't hurt you or violate your rights, right?

I really don't think you can put abortion in the group of "Just don't do it if you don't like it" freedoms, given that it is the view that abortion is murder. It would be like being silent during the Holocaust.
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12/21/2009 11:41:20 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 11:33:45 AM, mongeese wrote:

I really don't think you can put abortion in the group of "Just don't do it if you don't like it" freedoms, given that it is the view that abortion is murder. It would be like being silent during the Holocaust.

While people may have the idea that abortion is murder, it's simply their opinion - not the reality. We've already discussed (and Vi's explained very slowly) in the abortion thread how personhood simply does not and CAN NOT start until one has brain activity (or consciousness) meaning a fetus is not a person until they are about 16-20 weeks old. That said, my argument still stands - especially regarding the drug issue.

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12/21/2009 11:50:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 11:41:20 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 12/21/2009 11:33:45 AM, mongeese wrote:

I really don't think you can put abortion in the group of "Just don't do it if you don't like it" freedoms, given that it is the view that abortion is murder. It would be like being silent during the Holocaust.

While people may have the idea that abortion is murder, it's simply their opinion - not the reality.
No, it's their opinion about reality. If, in your opinion, kicking rocks is absolute murder, and violates the rights of rocks, then you believe that kicking rocks should be made illegal. Same goes with animals. Same goes with humans. Same goes with fetuses.

We've already discussed (and Vi's explained very slowly) in the abortion thread how personhood simply does not and CAN NOT start until one has brain activity (or consciousness) meaning a fetus is not a person until they are about 16-20 weeks old.
Personhood, maybe, but life itself starts at conception.

That said, my argument still stands - especially regarding the drug issue.

I didn't even challenge you on the drug issue...
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12/21/2009 11:54:15 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 11:50:45 AM, mongeese wrote:
At 12/21/2009 11:41:20 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 12/21/2009 11:33:45 AM, mongeese wrote:

I really don't think you can put abortion in the group of "Just don't do it if you don't like it" freedoms, given that it is the view that abortion is murder. It would be like being silent during the Holocaust.

While people may have the idea that abortion is murder, it's simply their opinion - not the reality.
No, it's their opinion about reality.

Once again, this can all be cleared up if you would accept my debate about objective reality.

We've already discussed (and Vi's explained very slowly) in the abortion thread how personhood simply does not and CAN NOT start until one has brain activity (or consciousness) meaning a fetus is not a person until they are about 16-20 weeks old.
Personhood, maybe, but life itself starts at conception.

Well, we don't have laws or problems taking lives, do we? Aren't animals slaughtered every single day for our food consumption? Aren't LIVING THINGS wasted every single day (like sperm that gets ejaculated when guys jerk off) and aren't living trees cut down? Yes. So, it's not the abolition of life but of a PERSON'S life that matters in terms of murder.

That said, my argument still stands - especially regarding the drug issue.

I didn't even challenge you on the drug issue...

I know - I was just clarifying.
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12/21/2009 12:08:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/20/2009 7:37:09 PM, Vi_Veri wrote:
So the courts are now trying to decide whether or not it's legal for us to be naked in our own homes because of some idiot who happened to see a man naked through his window. Could you think of a bigger waste of the court's time? I Can't. lol

I see your point and having lived in Germany where public nudity in swimming pools and parks is quite normal I do consider this complaint to be unduly prudish.

However, think of it this way. What you lived opposite this big fat hairy bloke and you had young children and as well as walking about in the nick he also had a habit of "enjoying" himself whilst watching porn in front of the open curtains (drapes)? Would you want you kids to watch that?

And if it is okay to do what you like in your own home then surely that principle extends to the garden as well? So what if this fellow wanders around his garden in the altogether as well?

Still no problem? Well what if he invited his girlfriend came out into the garden and she was also in the nude and they got into some heavy petting together?

Still okay? Well what if the heavy petting went a bit further and she decided to give him a **** *** and after that he decided to knock her back doors in with a vibrating 12" *****? Would you mind your little darlings watching that?

Okay, if that's still no problem, imagine if he then decided to have "rodeo sex" with her so he took her from behind and then called her by her sister's name to see how long he could hang on ("ride her buddy, yee-ha!"). Would that be okay for your kids to watch?

If so, you are a lot more broad-minded than me!
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12/21/2009 12:15:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 11:50:45 AM, mongeese wrote:
At 12/21/2009 11:41:20 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 12/21/2009 11:33:45 AM, mongeese wrote:

I really don't think you can put abortion in the group of "Just don't do it if you don't like it" freedoms, given that it is the view that abortion is murder. It would be like being silent during the Holocaust.

While people may have the idea that abortion is murder, it's simply their opinion - not the reality.
No, it's their opinion about reality. If, in your opinion, kicking rocks is absolute murder, and violates the rights of rocks, then you believe that kicking rocks should be made illegal. Same goes with animals. Same goes with humans. Same goes with fetuses.


Rocks aren't persons.

We've already discussed (and Vi's explained very slowly) in the abortion thread how personhood simply does not and CAN NOT start until one has brain activity (or consciousness) meaning a fetus is not a person until they are about 16-20 weeks old.
Personhood, maybe, but life itself starts at conception.


No it doesn't. It begins at consciousness.

Under your definition of life - life starts as a sperm or an egg as they are alive. The debate on abortion is over personhood.
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12/21/2009 12:17:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
'scuse my interruption, but what is "consciousness"?
: If you weren't new here, you'd know not to feed me such attention. This is like an orgasm in my brain right now. *hehe, my name is in a title, hehe* (http://www.debate.org...)

Just in case I get into some BS with FREEDO again about how he's NOT a narcissist.

"The law is there to destroy evil under the constitutional government."
So... what's there to destroy evil inside of and above the constitutional government?
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12/21/2009 12:20:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 12:17:48 PM, Rezzealaux wrote:
'scuse my interruption, but what is "consciousness"?

Consciousness refers to your individual awareness of your unique thoughts, memories, feelings, sensations and environment. A fetus has measurable consciousness at 20 weeks, though it starts having brain waves at 16 weeks.
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12/21/2009 12:22:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 11:54:15 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 12/21/2009 11:50:45 AM, mongeese wrote:
At 12/21/2009 11:41:20 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 12/21/2009 11:33:45 AM, mongeese wrote:

I really don't think you can put abortion in the group of "Just don't do it if you don't like it" freedoms, given that it is the view that abortion is murder. It would be like being silent during the Holocaust.

While people may have the idea that abortion is murder, it's simply their opinion - not the reality.
No, it's their opinion about reality.

Once again, this can all be cleared up if you would accept my debate about objective reality.

It really doesn't matter at this point about objective reality, as we can't determine what the objective reality is. Therefore, we turn to subjective reality.
We've already discussed (and Vi's explained very slowly) in the abortion thread how personhood simply does not and CAN NOT start until one has brain activity (or consciousness) meaning a fetus is not a person until they are about 16-20 weeks old.
Personhood, maybe, but life itself starts at conception.

Well, we don't have laws or problems taking lives, do we? Aren't animals slaughtered every single day for our food consumption? Aren't LIVING THINGS wasted every single day (like sperm that gets ejaculated when guys jerk off) and aren't living trees cut down? Yes. So, it's not the abolition of life but of a PERSON'S life that matters in terms of murder.

Not necessarily a person's, but a human's.
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12/21/2009 12:23:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 12:15:18 PM, Vi_Veri wrote:
At 12/21/2009 11:50:45 AM, mongeese wrote:
At 12/21/2009 11:41:20 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 12/21/2009 11:33:45 AM, mongeese wrote:

I really don't think you can put abortion in the group of "Just don't do it if you don't like it" freedoms, given that it is the view that abortion is murder. It would be like being silent during the Holocaust.

While people may have the idea that abortion is murder, it's simply their opinion - not the reality.
No, it's their opinion about reality. If, in your opinion, kicking rocks is absolute murder, and violates the rights of rocks, then you believe that kicking rocks should be made illegal. Same goes with animals. Same goes with humans. Same goes with fetuses.


Rocks aren't persons.

'Twas just an analogy.
We've already discussed (and Vi's explained very slowly) in the abortion thread how personhood simply does not and CAN NOT start until one has brain activity (or consciousness) meaning a fetus is not a person until they are about 16-20 weeks old.
Personhood, maybe, but life itself starts at conception.


No it doesn't. It begins at consciousness.

Under your definition of life - life starts as a sperm or an egg as they are alive. The debate on abortion is over personhood.

The individual human life starts at conception, and that's what I'm concerned with.
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12/21/2009 12:26:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
We don't have the right to have a clean line of vision because we can edit our direction of vision. Don't look into other people's homes. The appropriate defendent response is countersuit for spying, invasion of privacy, and trespassing.

Some people just don't get it. That's their own house.
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12/21/2009 12:27:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 12:22:56 PM, mongeese wrote:

Not necessarily a person's, but a human's.

A person is a human.
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12/21/2009 12:28:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/21/2009 12:27:15 PM, Vi_Veri wrote:
At 12/21/2009 12:22:56 PM, mongeese wrote:

Not necessarily a person's, but a human's.

A person is a human.

But a human is not necessarily a person.