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9/16/2013 3:14:57 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 2:51:01 PM, Sitara wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Why not post in news?

Yeah very tragic event. The guy survives a car crash then is gunned down by a police officer based who thought he was a burglar. This event embodies senseless police brutality on a victim who wasn't even armed. I mean they didn't even think of an alternative before emptying a clip in him.
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9/16/2013 3:53:37 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 3:12:01 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
The law is useless, it is a well known fact.

To a degree
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9/16/2013 4:02:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 3:20:57 PM, leojm wrote:
At 9/16/2013 2:51:01 PM, Sitara wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Wow, that's unbelievable.

I know, right?
wrichcirw
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9/16/2013 4:02:59 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 3:14:57 PM, Disquisition wrote:
At 9/16/2013 2:51:01 PM, Sitara wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Why not post in news?

Yeah very tragic event. The guy survives a car crash then is gunned down by a police officer based who thought he was a burglar. This event embodies senseless police brutality on a victim who wasn't even armed. I mean they didn't even think of an alternative before emptying a clip in him.

They did, actually. They fired a stun gun, and it failed.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
leojm
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9/16/2013 4:04:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 4:02:40 PM, Sitara wrote:
At 9/16/2013 3:20:57 PM, leojm wrote:
At 9/16/2013 2:51:01 PM, Sitara wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Wow, that's unbelievable.

I know, right?

I can't convince myself this actually happened. wow, I'm speechless.
wrichcirw
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9/16/2013 4:06:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 3:53:37 PM, Disquisition wrote:
At 9/16/2013 3:12:01 PM, Mysterious_Stranger wrote:
The law is useless, it is a well known fact.

To a degree

The law is working just fine. The officer who fired did not have the "lawful right" to fire. He turned himself in for voluntary manslaughter, and was released on a $50k bond
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
Beverlee
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9/16/2013 4:42:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This should never have happened, and the officer that did it is facing criminal charges. There is a mindset that SOME police have, because they are scared of losing control of a situation, that every possible means of maintaining control should be used, including lethal force.

My issue is why the criminal report for this has not been released yet. Here in Houston, the public can look up the actual criminal complaint almost right away. I would like to see the exact words that the officer in question used when he explained why he shot this man.

I'm curious because how fast could a disoriented man, injured after a car crash, be "charging" towards the cops?
Sitara
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9/16/2013 4:44:55 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 4:04:26 PM, leojm wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:02:40 PM, Sitara wrote:
At 9/16/2013 3:20:57 PM, leojm wrote:
At 9/16/2013 2:51:01 PM, Sitara wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Wow, that's unbelievable.

I know, right?

I can't convince myself this actually happened. wow, I'm speechless.
I am pissed, but speechless also applies.
leojm
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9/16/2013 4:46:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 4:44:55 PM, Sitara wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:04:26 PM, leojm wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:02:40 PM, Sitara wrote:
At 9/16/2013 3:20:57 PM, leojm wrote:
At 9/16/2013 2:51:01 PM, Sitara wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Wow, that's unbelievable.

I know, right?

I can't convince myself this actually happened. wow, I'm speechless.
I am pissed, but speechless also applies.

So true. I'm scared to run up to police now when I'm in need of help. What should we all raise our hands in the air and scream out help, I didn't do it. something like tht? (This is a rhetorical question)
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9/16/2013 4:49:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
"The man stood outside and "continued to attempt to gain the attention of the homeowner,"

This is a clear violation of private property rights. In order to protect the resident's private property, the police were justified in shooting the man.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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9/16/2013 4:57:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 4:02:59 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 9/16/2013 3:14:57 PM, Disquisition wrote:
At 9/16/2013 2:51:01 PM, Sitara wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Why not post in news?

Yeah very tragic event. The guy survives a car crash then is gunned down by a police officer based who thought he was a burglar. This event embodies senseless police brutality on a victim who wasn't even armed. I mean they didn't even think of an alternative before emptying a clip in him.

They did, actually. They fired a stun gun, and it failed.

Even so he still wasn't authorized to shoot
Epsilon: There are so many stories where some brave hero decides to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors all cheer, and everybody lives happily ever after. But the hero... never gets to see that ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith.
Lordknukle
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9/16/2013 5:06:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 4:57:48 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:02:59 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 9/16/2013 3:14:57 PM, Disquisition wrote:
At 9/16/2013 2:51:01 PM, Sitara wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Why not post in news?

Yeah very tragic event. The guy survives a car crash then is gunned down by a police officer based who thought he was a burglar. This event embodies senseless police brutality on a victim who wasn't even armed. I mean they didn't even think of an alternative before emptying a clip in him.

They did, actually. They fired a stun gun, and it failed.

Even so he still wasn't authorized to shoot

He has perfect authorization; the word that you were looking for is "justification."
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
cybertron1998
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9/16/2013 5:10:25 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 5:06:41 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:57:48 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:02:59 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 9/16/2013 3:14:57 PM, Disquisition wrote:
At 9/16/2013 2:51:01 PM, Sitara wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Why not post in news?

Yeah very tragic event. The guy survives a car crash then is gunned down by a police officer based who thought he was a burglar. This event embodies senseless police brutality on a victim who wasn't even armed. I mean they didn't even think of an alternative before emptying a clip in him.

They did, actually. They fired a stun gun, and it failed.

Even so he still wasn't authorized to shoot

He has perfect authorization; the word that you were looking for is "justification."

No...he wasn't authorized to shoot. I say this because i know how the police work in the city I'm from.
Epsilon: There are so many stories where some brave hero decides to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors all cheer, and everybody lives happily ever after. But the hero... never gets to see that ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith.
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9/16/2013 5:15:46 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 4:57:48 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:02:59 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 9/16/2013 3:14:57 PM, Disquisition wrote:
At 9/16/2013 2:51:01 PM, Sitara wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Why not post in news?

Yeah very tragic event. The guy survives a car crash then is gunned down by a police officer based who thought he was a burglar. This event embodies senseless police brutality on a victim who wasn't even armed. I mean they didn't even think of an alternative before emptying a clip in him.

They did, actually. They fired a stun gun, and it failed.

Even so he still wasn't authorized to shoot

I agree he didn't have authorization to shoot, but you specifically asked if they thought of an alternative. They did, they fired a stun gun, it failed.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
AnDoctuir
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9/16/2013 5:17:14 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
You'd think being shot at first with a stun gun would have given him pause, no? This honestly looks to me like a dude with a death wish got his wish. It's more weird than anything else.

Kind of reminds me of this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk...
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9/16/2013 5:32:02 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Reminds me of this, too: http://www.debate.org...

Seems to have picked the perfect police officer to run towards if he really did have a death wish, no?
Lordknukle
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9/16/2013 5:32:26 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 5:10:25 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/16/2013 5:06:41 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:57:48 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:02:59 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 9/16/2013 3:14:57 PM, Disquisition wrote:
At 9/16/2013 2:51:01 PM, Sitara wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Why not post in news?

Yeah very tragic event. The guy survives a car crash then is gunned down by a police officer based who thought he was a burglar. This event embodies senseless police brutality on a victim who wasn't even armed. I mean they didn't even think of an alternative before emptying a clip in him.

They did, actually. They fired a stun gun, and it failed.

Even so he still wasn't authorized to shoot

He has perfect authorization; the word that you were looking for is "justification."

No...he wasn't authorized to shoot. I say this because i know how the police work in the city I'm from.

There is no central authority that "authorizes" them to shoot. Police are trained how to best respond to certain situations and are allowed to make personal judgement calls while in the field. Whether those calls are justified is another story.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
cybertron1998
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9/16/2013 5:34:38 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 5:32:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/16/2013 5:10:25 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/16/2013 5:06:41 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:57:48 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:02:59 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 9/16/2013 3:14:57 PM, Disquisition wrote:
At 9/16/2013 2:51:01 PM, Sitara wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Why not post in news?

Yeah very tragic event. The guy survives a car crash then is gunned down by a police officer based who thought he was a burglar. This event embodies senseless police brutality on a victim who wasn't even armed. I mean they didn't even think of an alternative before emptying a clip in him.

They did, actually. They fired a stun gun, and it failed.

Even so he still wasn't authorized to shoot

He has perfect authorization; the word that you were looking for is "justification."

No...he wasn't authorized to shoot. I say this because i know how the police work in the city I'm from.

There is no central authority that "authorizes" them to shoot. Police are trained how to best respond to certain situations and are allowed to make personal judgement calls while in the field. Whether those calls are justified is another story.

Ok but what this cop did is something i take personal, because its in charlotte, nc. Guess fvcking what? I live there.
Epsilon: There are so many stories where some brave hero decides to give their life to save the day, and because of their sacrifice, the good guys win, the survivors all cheer, and everybody lives happily ever after. But the hero... never gets to see that ending. They'll never know if their sacrifice actually made a difference. They'll never know if the day was really saved. In the end, they just have to have faith.
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9/16/2013 5:51:01 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 5:34:38 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/16/2013 5:32:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/16/2013 5:10:25 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/16/2013 5:06:41 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:57:48 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:02:59 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 9/16/2013 3:14:57 PM, Disquisition wrote:
At 9/16/2013 2:51:01 PM, Sitara wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Why not post in news?

Yeah very tragic event. The guy survives a car crash then is gunned down by a police officer based who thought he was a burglar. This event embodies senseless police brutality on a victim who wasn't even armed. I mean they didn't even think of an alternative before emptying a clip in him.

They did, actually. They fired a stun gun, and it failed.

Even so he still wasn't authorized to shoot

He has perfect authorization; the word that you were looking for is "justification."

No...he wasn't authorized to shoot. I say this because i know how the police work in the city I'm from.

There is no central authority that "authorizes" them to shoot. Police are trained how to best respond to certain situations and are allowed to make personal judgement calls while in the field. Whether those calls are justified is another story.

Ok but what this cop did is something i take personal, because its in charlotte, nc. Guess fvcking what? I live there.

People care.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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9/16/2013 6:11:10 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 9/16/2013 5:34:38 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/16/2013 5:32:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/16/2013 5:10:25 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/16/2013 5:06:41 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:57:48 PM, cybertron1998 wrote:
At 9/16/2013 4:02:59 PM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 9/16/2013 3:14:57 PM, Disquisition wrote:
At 9/16/2013 2:51:01 PM, Sitara wrote:
http://www.cnn.com...

Why not post in news?

Yeah very tragic event. The guy survives a car crash then is gunned down by a police officer based who thought he was a burglar. This event embodies senseless police brutality on a victim who wasn't even armed. I mean they didn't even think of an alternative before emptying a clip in him.

They did, actually. They fired a stun gun, and it failed.

Even so he still wasn't authorized to shoot

He has perfect authorization; the word that you were looking for is "justification."

No...he wasn't authorized to shoot. I say this because i know how the police work in the city I'm from.

There is no central authority that "authorizes" them to shoot. Police are trained how to best respond to certain situations and are allowed to make personal judgement calls while in the field. Whether those calls are justified is another story.

Ok but what this cop did is something i take personal, because its in charlotte, nc. Guess fvcking what? I live there.

Eerie.
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9/16/2013 8:21:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
The Fool: well, it happens, it's not good, but based off what it says they're certainly not enough information to make any call. It is says that he may have, that is that there is a possibility. I mean it is also a possibility that he might have been Jesus.

It doesn't really say much to support that he was in fact, and it is obviously targeted for an audience to feel sympathy. And we should for anybody's death, and if it is actually true that he was simply asking for help then we should feel even more.

But there is not enough information in the article to make a justified claim in that direction.

The journalist are depending upon prejudice of the observers, and people who would be most easily riled in the favor of the presentation.

That is, it is written, structured and deliver in a way that will invoke anger, without the information necessary for to be justified. And obviously worked.

Perhaps they are doing it with good intention, as is often, but in the end it shows them to be dishonest, and hurts their credibility, and integrity as truth bearers altogether. To a critical thinker anyways. It is food for the mob rabble.

It's easy to get in the habit of twisting information to where the people who twisted forget that they are twisting it, and start believing and generating from their own lies..

Look how fast, "unlawful" got turned into "unauthorized"

It says that, they called it "unlawful" but that's just people calling it names.
But there has even been a criteria given for what is unlawful or lawful.

Of course the police service is going to want to get away from any kind of stigma, and will cast out anybody who would bring it to the police force as a whole. So That Doesn't Say Much at All to the Unbiased Observer. In Fact, It's to Be Expected.

Who cares 1:"Even so he still wasn't authorized to shoot."

Criminal: Ha, copper, I can shoot you, but you can't shoot me until you get authorization by someone else who is not the person in the situation.

The Fool: Lol, exchange the white male officer, for white or black woman officer, and watch how much authorization to kill somebody, all of a sudden, comes into existence. It's easy to pick on white male officers, because they are the ideological majority. And because they generally make more money it's okay to kill them, as they become lower in moral value!! Well as far as the voting majority is concerned, that is, the ideological composite minority. So it's kind of an authorized social mob rape. Especially if they are white men in jail. They are worth even less, to the mob. In fact are not even people.

Nobody notice, that they carefully selected black people and a younger white "woman" with absolutely no expertise or any better information on the subject than anybody else has, to give their two cents. Their over-the-top obvious, stereotypical, predictable, and intentionally ideological self-affirming two cents. And the articles filled with quotes from his family.
For better or for worse, the purpose of the article was to create bias. Not justice.

I don't mean to say anything positive about any conservative ideology, as I am far from it, I am just calling a spade a spade, when it is in fact a spade, regardless of what card is on.

More mobbing

Who cares 2: I agree he didn't have authorization to shoot, but you specifically asked if they thought of an alternative."

The Fool: no offense, but, who cares if you agree that it was authorized.. What does that do? Just curious.

Who cares 2: No...he wasn't authorized to shoot. I say this because i know how the police work in the city I'm from.

The Fool: That's a pretty desperate attempt, or, your 15 years old. I haven't checked. But that's the only excuse I am allowing for that type of reasoning.

Lordknucle: This is a clear violation of private property rights.

The Fool: I think life is worth more than any property. A better justification would be that he was frightened for his life. I don't think the fear for someone's property Is not a good enough justification.

Who cares 1: Ok but what this cop did is something i take personal, because its in charlotte, nc.

The Fool: yeah that's what it says in the article.

Who cares 1: Guess fvcking what?

The Fool: What? fvcking, what?

Do I look like a fool to you?

You guess!

Who cares 1: I live there.

The Fool: That's great, then my advice to you, is that you should probably avoid running at police who have their guns out, especially after they've warned you, and shot at you with a stun gun already. You don't want to frighten them, as you never know if they are on the lookout for a suspect who may be dangerous. Cops do that sometimes.

But you know how they work, right?
<(8D)

I'm sure many bad things have happened in Charlotte NC, You must be having mental breakdowns all the time. You must've missed that, he hasn't actually been tried or convicted yet.

So if information contrary to what you think comes out, What would be "the thing" that you had taken personal, now, before you knew the necessary facts?

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"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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9/16/2013 8:29:03 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Lordknukle doesn't believe anything of what he says, Fool. He's just stupidly coping or something.
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9/17/2013 6:59:50 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
@the fool---why do you think he was threatened for his life? Let alone so threatened that he had to shoot several times?
yang.