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If its okay to let gays get married

Koopin
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12/30/2009 8:00:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Most people already know that I am against gay marriage. And no, I dont want to have another debate on the matter.
But every time I talk to a gay (more like debate with a gay) he or she always says the following.
"If they want to be together who are we to separate them?"
"The government should not be allowed to control who gets married?"

Okay, so if that's really true whats to stop 7 men from marrying each other?
I just want to know if gays think it's okay more more than 2 people to marry and be able to adopt.
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12/30/2009 8:02:20 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Not gay, but I do.
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12/30/2009 8:21:37 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
2nded. There are terrible parents currently that are allowed to have kids. Why shouldn't people who actually want to have kids and will teach them to live better be able to sire them?
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12/30/2009 9:38:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 8:00:08 AM, Koopin wrote:
"The government should not be allowed to control who gets married?"

The government should not be allowed to reward the married, either.

Anyway, no real point in stopping adoption, either.
wjmelements
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12/30/2009 10:19:20 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 10:18:22 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:13:04 AM, wjmelements wrote:
What do you have against polygamy, Koopin?

lol

I'm serious. Why should that be illegal?
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Koopin
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12/30/2009 10:36:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 10:19:20 AM, wjmelements wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:18:22 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:13:04 AM, wjmelements wrote:
What do you have against polygamy, Koopin?

lol

I'm serious. Why should that be illegal?

Love is already difficult to share. Sharing wives/husbands increases rivalries, jealousy, and neglect. These can lead to serious psychological issues, divorce, or even increased counts of domestic violence. And Studies show that children from polygamist families have high rates of psychological problems, including ADHD, depression, and social disorders. Psychologists link this to problem #2 above. Children in these relationships do not get the special attention and care they need.
http://www.traumaawareness.org...

Also, one could say why not let children get married to an older person.
One legalization leads to another and so on.
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studentathletechristian8
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12/30/2009 10:40:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 10:19:20 AM, wjmelements wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:18:22 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:13:04 AM, wjmelements wrote:
What do you have against polygamy, Koopin?

lol

I'm serious. Why should that be illegal?

Why should it be legal?
Reasoning
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12/30/2009 10:42:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 10:36:07 AM, Koopin wrote:
Also, one could say why not let children get married to an older person.

Why not?
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studentathletechristian8
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12/30/2009 10:45:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 10:42:16 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:36:07 AM, Koopin wrote:
Also, one could say why not let children get married to an older person.

Why not?

Why allow it?
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12/30/2009 10:58:03 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Since marriage is an outdated tradition based on widely discredited (and in the case of Catholicism, publicly shamed) religions, I don't care if anyone gets married to anyone else whoever they are, just so long as their marriage affords them no legal rights, such as tax breaks, over unmarried people.
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Danielle
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12/30/2009 11:07:21 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Yes, that's brilliant. Let's compare pedophilic relationships to gay relationships. Because my relationship is just as vile as one between a 50 year old and an 8 year old.
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Koopin
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12/30/2009 11:10:55 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 11:07:21 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Yes, that's brilliant. Let's compare pedophilic relationships to gay relationships. Because my relationship is just as vile as one between a 50 year old and an 8 year old.

according to what gays say then it should be okay, right?
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Volkov
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12/30/2009 11:12:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 10:58:03 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Since marriage is an outdated tradition based on widely discredited (and in the case of Catholicism, publicly shamed) religions, I don't care if anyone gets married to anyone else whoever they are, just so long as their marriage affords them no legal rights, such as tax breaks, over unmarried people.

I don't see how it has been "publicly discredited." All it is is companionship with a twang of religious/officiated tradition, which I see no fault with whatsoever. If you discredit marriage, well, you're discrediting any form of companionship
Danielle
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12/30/2009 11:14:15 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Love (and especially relationships) are extremely complicated. Some people are okay with three-way relationships... my ex wanted one lol and I was not up for that because I'm a very jealous person, and it's just not something that coincides with my values (what I want out of a relationship). However there are plenty of people who are happy in those kinds of relationships. Relationships don't HAVE to be between a man and a woman, restricted to two people, etc. To put those kinds of limits on them is ignorant, and you don't have a good reason as to why you'd even want to except for the fact that it's traditional and you can't wrap your little mind around any other way. Just because it may not be something that YOU agree with doesn't mean that you're f-cking god and that your opinion should be the be-all and end-all of what's "okay" and what isn't. You need o get over yourselves. And worst of all, don't be the f-cking tool box moron who compares gay relationships to pedophilia. If you actually think they're comparable, excuse yourself to the bathroom and then go cut yourself. Make sure to hit a big vein too.
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Reasoning
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12/30/2009 11:14:32 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 10:52:42 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:42:16 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:36:07 AM, Koopin wrote:
Also, one could say why not let children get married to an older person.

Why not?

Because children aren't ready for it, that's why.

Who are you to say so? Oh wait...
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Danielle
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12/30/2009 11:14:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 11:10:55 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/30/2009 11:07:21 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Yes, that's brilliant. Let's compare pedophilic relationships to gay relationships. Because my relationship is just as vile as one between a 50 year old and an 8 year old.

according to what gays say then it should be okay, right?

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Where has a gay -- or I for that matter -- EVER said that?
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Danielle
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12/30/2009 11:17:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Pedophilia is a MENTAL disorder. Why don't you stop being so ignorant and read a g--damn book and educate yourself? Homosexuality is not a mental disorder. Do I really have to treat you like a 5 year old and walk you through the steps of why a child does not have the mental capacity to enter into that kind of romantic or physical relationship? Meanwhile, a gay person of an "appropriate" age (late teens - adults) are perfectly capable of having those kinds of relationships just as straight people are. I mean I can't even believe that there are people so retarded as to actually think that they're comparable. If you think seeing 2 gay people together is equivalent to seeing a grown person with a child then you have some serious issues and you're probably suppressing some insecurities about your own sexuality.
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Danielle
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12/30/2009 11:19:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 11:14:32 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:52:42 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:42:16 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:36:07 AM, Koopin wrote:
Also, one could say why not let children get married to an older person.

Why not?

Because children aren't ready for it, that's why.

Who are you to say so? Oh wait...

Children aren't ready for it, but it's the responsibility of their pares to protect them if their parents feel that's what's best (which they should... because children are NOT ready for it if they want to become mentally healthy and functioning adults according to, oh, just about every psychiatrist). Please don't egg him on. I'd like to make perfectly clear that just because Reasoning thinks that pedophilic relationships are okay does NOT mean that gays feel that way. In fact, I think 100% of gays that I know would completely disagree with Reasoning (as would most rational people).
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Cody_Franklin
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12/30/2009 11:21:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 11:14:32 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:52:42 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:42:16 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:36:07 AM, Koopin wrote:
Also, one could say why not let children get married to an older person.

Why not?

Because children aren't ready for it, that's why.

Who are you to say so? Oh wait...

As L stated, children don't have the mental capacity to maintain and endure a relationship. This is a fact that I would almost bet you're aware of. This is what I hate about you "freedom fighters". You're trying to create liberties where they shouldn't exist.
Volkov
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12/30/2009 11:22:33 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 11:14:32 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:52:42 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:42:16 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:36:07 AM, Koopin wrote:
Also, one could say why not let children get married to an older person.

Why not?

Because children aren't ready for it, that's why.

Who are you to say so? Oh wait...

The reason he can say it is because he's looked at science and psychology and experience, and realizes what happens when you leave children to their own devices, only to be exploited by a much older and much more sinister adult.

See, he might be a fascist, but even he has a heart, because he cares about the well-being of those kids. Instead of saying, "well, I don't want to be the initial coercer," like its some sort of actual moral stand, Cody the fascist helps protect kids from molestation and exploitation. It's clear who has the real morality here.
Danielle
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12/30/2009 11:24:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Vokov, Libertarians don't care about "hearts" lol wrong choice of words... That'll just make them feel superior because they think they're on an enlightened, intellectual high road :p
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Cody_Franklin
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12/30/2009 11:37:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 11:22:33 AM, Volkov wrote:
At 12/30/2009 11:14:32 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:52:42 AM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:42:16 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/30/2009 10:36:07 AM, Koopin wrote:
Also, one could say why not let children get married to an older person.

Why not?

Because children aren't ready for it, that's why.

Who are you to say so? Oh wait...

The reason he can say it is because he's looked at science and psychology and experience, and realizes what happens when you leave children to their own devices, only to be exploited by a much older and much more sinister adult.

See, he might be a fascist, but even he has a heart, because he cares about the well-being of those kids. Instead of saying, "well, I don't want to be the initial coercer," like its some sort of actual moral stand, Cody the fascist helps protect kids from molestation and exploitation. It's clear who has the real morality here.

I sigged the latter part of this post. I'm not going to lie when I say that it was awesome.
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12/30/2009 12:25:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
What gives anyone the right to involve themselves with someone else's life?
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12/30/2009 12:31:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/30/2009 12:25:26 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
What gives anyone the right to involve themselves with someone else's life?

What gives us the right is when it starts affecting us, or others we know can't defend themselves. And its always affecting us.

No human is an island, Geo. Your actions will forever have an impact upon others, and it would be mighty hypocritical for you to say that you should be allowed to do whatever you want and then ask others not to interfere with your life. Your very presence is technically an affront to the ideal that "thou shalt not interfere." It's a nice dream, but wholly unrealizable unless you murder every other human on the planet.