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11/1/2013 3:53:48 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
http://www.breitbart.com...

LA VERGNE, Tenn. (WSMV) - A Tennessee high school is stirring up controversy for a policy that separates students at lunch based on their grades. Specifically, La Vergne High School student who are making poor grades are separated from their classmates and made to eat lunch in a separate location.
Paul Morecroft, who has a special needs daughter in the 10th grade, said, "To me, it's considered separation, because you have your special needs kids and the kids getting the good grades on one side, and the kids getting below an 80 on the other side. " He called the policy a "civil rights violation and segregation, no doubt."
School leaders say La Vergne High has a split lunch period, half academic intervention to help students who may be struggling in a subject and half lunch; it's been in practice for two years as part of statewide pilot program.
James Evans, spokesman for Rutherford County Schools, said, "They are not segregating them in the traditional sense. If the kids' scores are low in certain areas, they are getting help in that area. If you want to label that segregation, then that's not the correct way to label it."
Some schools have chosen to work the intervention program into the regular school day whereas La Vergne High has chosen the split-lunch concept where some students go to the auditorium for a learning lab beforehand.
Ximena Jinenez, an 11th grade student, finds the program beneficial. "I don't think it's bad, it's good. We all need it. We need that little help in our lives," she said.
School officials attribute a higher graduation rate to the program. Since it was instituted the graduation rate has gone from 77 percent to almost 90 percent.

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11/1/2013 4:51:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
lol It's interesting to me how different education is in North America and some third world countries. In North America, how well you're doing in school is such a confidential, private thing, whereas in some other countries, your grades are public for everyone to see.

Where your grades are public, the students tend to do better in school and strive to be better academically, because of the embarrassment from their peers.

That being said... no to segregation.
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11/1/2013 5:04:52 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
If causational evidence is found to support the correlation, then sure.
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11/1/2013 5:37:35 PM
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My closest friends in high school were in the bottom quartile of grades. I was in the top.

The world isn't just made up of smart or dumb people. Lunch and recess are a time to develop social interaction skills with as wide a variety of people as possible.
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11/2/2013 10:45:27 PM
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Although I'm generally a big fan of any sort of segregation, the phrase "stupidity breeds stupidity" comes to mind. If you put all the stupid people in one room, they aren't going to get any smarter.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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11/3/2013 9:06:45 AM
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I think the segregated lunches are a necessary consequence of ensuring that struggling students develop the skills necessary for class mobility. And it's not as if the school has implemented a caste system. The entire point of the program is to make the program unnecessary. A student's position in hardly immutable.
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11/3/2013 9:15:10 AM
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At 11/2/2013 10:45:27 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Although I'm generally a big fan of any sort of segregation, the phrase "stupidity breeds stupidity" comes to mind. If you put all the stupid people in one room, they aren't going to get any smarter.

The graduation rates beg to differ. And if stupidity breeds stupidity, then address the stupidity. Intellectual integration has obviously proven insufficient.
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11/3/2013 9:23:39 AM
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At 11/3/2013 9:22:11 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Go have a 12 hour argument with wrich over absolutely nothing, dylan.

We do tend to do that lol
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11/3/2013 9:47:10 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/1/2013 5:37:35 PM, Wnope wrote:
My closest friends in high school were in the bottom quartile of grades. I was in the top.

The world isn't just made up of smart or dumb people. Lunch and recess are a time to develop social interaction skills with as wide a variety of people as possible.

I agree with the above, and will also state that if the OP is synonymous with "segregation", so too would honors classes, awards and trophies, and anything and everything that is exclusionary by nature.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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11/3/2013 9:48:02 AM
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At 11/3/2013 9:23:39 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:22:11 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Go have a 12 hour argument with wrich over absolutely nothing, dylan.

We do tend to do that lol

That's your fault then for getting into arguments you don't want to have. If you're not getting anything out of them, that's none of my concern.
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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11/3/2013 10:06:08 AM
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At 11/3/2013 9:48:02 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:23:39 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:22:11 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Go have a 12 hour argument with wrich over absolutely nothing, dylan.

We do tend to do that lol

That's your fault then for getting into arguments you don't want to have. If you're not getting anything out of them, that's none of my concern.

LOL
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11/3/2013 10:12:24 AM
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At 11/3/2013 9:48:02 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:23:39 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:22:11 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Go have a 12 hour argument with wrich over absolutely nothing, dylan.

We do tend to do that lol

That's your fault then for getting into arguments you don't want to have. If you're not getting anything out of them, that's none of my concern.

If I didn't want to have them, I wouldn't participate in them.
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11/3/2013 10:17:39 AM
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At 11/3/2013 10:12:24 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:48:02 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:23:39 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:22:11 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Go have a 12 hour argument with wrich over absolutely nothing, dylan.

We do tend to do that lol

That's your fault then for getting into arguments you don't want to have. If you're not getting anything out of them, that's none of my concern.

If I didn't want to have them, I wouldn't participate in them.

So you enjoy making nonsensical arguments?
At 8/9/2013 9:41:24 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
If you are civil with me, I will be civil to you. If you decide to bring unreasonable animosity to bear in a reasonable discussion, then what would you expect other than to get flustered?
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11/3/2013 10:27:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/3/2013 10:17:39 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 11/3/2013 10:12:24 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:48:02 AM, wrichcirw wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:23:39 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:22:11 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Go have a 12 hour argument with wrich over absolutely nothing, dylan.

We do tend to do that lol

That's your fault then for getting into arguments you don't want to have. If you're not getting anything out of them, that's none of my concern.

If I didn't want to have them, I wouldn't participate in them.

So you enjoy making nonsensical arguments?

I like arguing for the sake of arguing, but obviously I prefer interesting and important topics. I never meant to say that we don't have deep conversations - because we often do - just that we sometimes get off topic and focus on frivolous details. Most of DDO does this. You and I just have a higher tolerance for insignificance than most people I guess :)
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11/3/2013 10:48:35 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/2/2013 10:45:27 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
"I'm generally a big fan of any sort of segregation"

His thought process: "I deemed this remark to be sufficiently incendiary, so I shall post it."
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11/3/2013 10:51:04 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/3/2013 9:15:10 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/2/2013 10:45:27 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Although I'm generally a big fan of any sort of segregation, the phrase "stupidity breeds stupidity" comes to mind. If you put all the stupid people in one room, they aren't going to get any smarter.

The graduation rates beg to differ. And if stupidity breeds stupidity, then address the stupidity. Intellectual integration has obviously proven insufficient.

Insufficient where? I go to a school where there is a graduation rate of something like 99.99% with no segregation.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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11/3/2013 11:05:16 AM
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At 11/3/2013 10:51:04 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:15:10 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/2/2013 10:45:27 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Although I'm generally a big fan of any sort of segregation, the phrase "stupidity breeds stupidity" comes to mind. If you put all the stupid people in one room, they aren't going to get any smarter.

The graduation rates beg to differ. And if stupidity breeds stupidity, then address the stupidity. Intellectual integration has obviously proven insufficient.

Insufficient where? I go to a school where there is a graduation rate of something like 99.99% with no segregation.

Lunch segregation is a response to - not a cause of- academic deficits. The school implemented the program to address problems integration had failed to resolve.There would be no reason to implement the program in your school.
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11/3/2013 11:06:26 AM
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At 11/3/2013 11:05:16 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 10:51:04 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:15:10 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/2/2013 10:45:27 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Although I'm generally a big fan of any sort of segregation, the phrase "stupidity breeds stupidity" comes to mind. If you put all the stupid people in one room, they aren't going to get any smarter.

The graduation rates beg to differ. And if stupidity breeds stupidity, then address the stupidity. Intellectual integration has obviously proven insufficient.

Insufficient where? I go to a school where there is a graduation rate of something like 99.99% with no segregation.

Lunch segregation is a response to - not a cause of- academic deficits. The school implemented the program to address problems integration had failed to resolve.There would be no reason to implement the program in your school.

And yet there are still a lot of "academic deficits" in my school. Go figure.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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11/3/2013 11:10:44 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/3/2013 10:48:35 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/2/2013 10:45:27 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
"I'm generally a big fan of any sort of segregation"

His thought process: "I deemed this remark to be sufficiently incendiary, so I shall post it."

You are so stupid.
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11/3/2013 11:18:16 AM
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At 11/3/2013 11:06:26 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/3/2013 11:05:16 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 10:51:04 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:15:10 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/2/2013 10:45:27 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Although I'm generally a big fan of any sort of segregation, the phrase "stupidity breeds stupidity" comes to mind. If you put all the stupid people in one room, they aren't going to get any smarter.

The graduation rates beg to differ. And if stupidity breeds stupidity, then address the stupidity. Intellectual integration has obviously proven insufficient.

Insufficient where? I go to a school where there is a graduation rate of something like 99.99% with no segregation.

Lunch segregation is a response to - not a cause of- academic deficits. The school implemented the program to address problems integration had failed to resolve.There would be no reason to implement the program in your school.

And yet there are still a lot of "academic deficits" in my school. Go figure.

But do you get my point? Segregation would only ever be implemented to address problems which arose in its absence. Observing that schools with segregation face lower graduation rates than ones which practice integrationand vica versa is no more telling than observing that cancer patients are more likely to take chemotherapy.
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11/3/2013 11:28:08 AM
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At 11/3/2013 11:10:44 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 11/3/2013 10:48:35 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/2/2013 10:45:27 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
"I'm generally a big fan of any sort of segregation"

His thought process: "I deemed this remark to be sufficiently incendiary, so I shall post it."

You are so stupid.

You are boring.
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11/3/2013 11:43:35 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/3/2013 11:18:16 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 11:06:26 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/3/2013 11:05:16 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 10:51:04 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:15:10 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/2/2013 10:45:27 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Although I'm generally a big fan of any sort of segregation, the phrase "stupidity breeds stupidity" comes to mind. If you put all the stupid people in one room, they aren't going to get any smarter.

The graduation rates beg to differ. And if stupidity breeds stupidity, then address the stupidity. Intellectual integration has obviously proven insufficient.

Insufficient where? I go to a school where there is a graduation rate of something like 99.99% with no segregation.

Lunch segregation is a response to - not a cause of- academic deficits. The school implemented the program to address problems integration had failed to resolve.There would be no reason to implement the program in your school.

And yet there are still a lot of "academic deficits" in my school. Go figure.

But do you get my point? Segregation would only ever be implemented to address problems which arose in its absence. Observing that schools with segregation face lower graduation rates than ones which practice integrationand vica versa is no more telling than observing that cancer patients are more likely to take chemotherapy.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say. That segregation is a natural cure for lower graduation rates?
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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11/3/2013 11:59:10 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 11/3/2013 11:43:35 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/3/2013 11:18:16 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 11:06:26 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/3/2013 11:05:16 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 10:51:04 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:15:10 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/2/2013 10:45:27 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Although I'm generally a big fan of any sort of segregation, the phrase "stupidity breeds stupidity" comes to mind. If you put all the stupid people in one room, they aren't going to get any smarter.

The graduation rates beg to differ. And if stupidity breeds stupidity, then address the stupidity. Intellectual integration has obviously proven insufficient.

Insufficient where? I go to a school where there is a graduation rate of something like 99.99% with no segregation.

Lunch segregation is a response to - not a cause of- academic deficits. The school implemented the program to address problems integration had failed to resolve.There would be no reason to implement the program in your school.

And yet there are still a lot of "academic deficits" in my school. Go figure.

But do you get my point? Segregation would only ever be implemented to address problems which arose in its absence. Observing that schools with segregation face lower graduation rates than ones which practice integrationand vica versa is no more telling than observing that cancer patients are more likely to take chemotherapy.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say. That segregation is a natural cure for lower graduation rates?

No, just that segregation cannot be the cause of the problem it's enacted to address, and that integration cannot be the solution to a problem it has already failed to prevent.
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11/3/2013 12:03:47 PM
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At 11/3/2013 11:59:10 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 11:43:35 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/3/2013 11:18:16 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 11:06:26 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/3/2013 11:05:16 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/3/2013 10:51:04 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/3/2013 9:15:10 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 11/2/2013 10:45:27 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Although I'm generally a big fan of any sort of segregation, the phrase "stupidity breeds stupidity" comes to mind. If you put all the stupid people in one room, they aren't going to get any smarter.

The graduation rates beg to differ. And if stupidity breeds stupidity, then address the stupidity. Intellectual integration has obviously proven insufficient.

Insufficient where? I go to a school where there is a graduation rate of something like 99.99% with no segregation.

Lunch segregation is a response to - not a cause of- academic deficits. The school implemented the program to address problems integration had failed to resolve.There would be no reason to implement the program in your school.

And yet there are still a lot of "academic deficits" in my school. Go figure.

But do you get my point? Segregation would only ever be implemented to address problems which arose in its absence. Observing that schools with segregation face lower graduation rates than ones which practice integrationand vica versa is no more telling than observing that cancer patients are more likely to take chemotherapy.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say. That segregation is a natural cure for lower graduation rates?

No, just that segregation cannot be the cause of the problem it's enacted to address,

Never said it's the cause. I said that I have doubts to its efficacy.

and that integration cannot be the solution to a problem it has already failed to prevent.

Except that nobody has provided any evidence that this is a problem of integration. It's the equivalent of saying that, in schools, both smart and stupid people breathe the same air. Therefore, we need to segregate the air supply.

Although the fact is true (that smart and stupid people integrate), you have failed to show that it's the cause of people being smart/stupid.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."