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1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Umm... Okay... So I found this video on YouTube. I had NO idea this was actually an issue, but apparently, it is. There are hundreds of females out there complaining because they do not have the right to be topless on the beach. Seriously, who in their right mind made that rule? No I am just kidding, I know there will people who actually are against this, so that is why I am opening this up for a semi-serious discussion. I was browsing some YouTube videos, and I found this Steve Greene video. I didn't know if this was real, so I looked it up. They actually have a website (I won't link it, because I think that violates TOS) in support of this movement. So much, that they get a bunch of women together every year, and hold topless rallies, and you see a bunch of religious nuts rage against it (no offense to you religious nut cases out there). These guys went so far as to write Miley Cyrus some big exaggerate letter and everything. Seriously, if I could imagine one topless woman going up to any politician, asking for this, and cannot imagine any male saying no, but I am apparently wrong...

https://www.youtube.com...

So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?
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1/19/2014 6:25:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
Umm... Okay... So I found this video on YouTube. I had NO idea this was actually an issue, but apparently, it is. There are hundreds of females out there complaining because they do not have the right to be topless on the beach. Seriously, who in their right mind made that rule? No I am just kidding, I know there will people who actually are against this, so that is why I am opening this up for a semi-serious discussion. I was browsing some YouTube videos, and I found this Steve Greene video. I didn't know if this was real, so I looked it up. They actually have a website (I won't link it, because I think that violates TOS) in support of this movement. So much, that they get a bunch of women together every year, and hold topless rallies, and you see a bunch of religious nuts rage against it (no offense to you religious nut cases out there). These guys went so far as to write Miley Cyrus some big exaggerate letter and everything. Seriously, if I could imagine one topless woman going up to any politician, asking for this, and cannot imagine any male saying no, but I am apparently wrong...

https://www.youtube.com...

So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?
Don't people bring their kids to the beach? I thought the normal beaches were supposed to be family friendly. I am not so sure I would want a kid to see a woman's breasts who is not their mothers. Breasts are hyper-sexualized in America. They should be allowed to do it at an exclusively female beach like they are some Amazons or something. Male chests are not hyper-sexualized at all by comparison. So I hope they cover up for the kids.

But is George Soros sponsoring this group? I originally expected to see FEMEN screaming but sadly it was not those disorderlies. I also noticed Ruben Israel; so the people opposing them is even more crazy.
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1/19/2014 6:37:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 6:25:56 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
Umm... Okay... So I found this video on YouTube. I had NO idea this was actually an issue, but apparently, it is. There are hundreds of females out there complaining because they do not have the right to be topless on the beach. Seriously, who in their right mind made that rule? No I am just kidding, I know there will people who actually are against this, so that is why I am opening this up for a semi-serious discussion. I was browsing some YouTube videos, and I found this Steve Greene video. I didn't know if this was real, so I looked it up. They actually have a website (I won't link it, because I think that violates TOS) in support of this movement. So much, that they get a bunch of women together every year, and hold topless rallies, and you see a bunch of religious nuts rage against it (no offense to you religious nut cases out there). These guys went so far as to write Miley Cyrus some big exaggerate letter and everything. Seriously, if I could imagine one topless woman going up to any politician, asking for this, and cannot imagine any male saying no, but I am apparently wrong...

https://www.youtube.com...

So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?
Don't people bring their kids to the beach? I thought the normal beaches were supposed to be family friendly. I am not so sure I would want a kid to see a woman's breasts who is not their mothers. Breasts are hyper-sexualized in America. They should be allowed to do it at an exclusively female beach like they are some Amazons or something. Male chests are not hyper-sexualized at all by comparison. So I hope they cover up for the kids.

The problem here is hyper-sexualization, not breasts themselves. Maybe topless woman legality at the beach is the first step in changing this standard. In reality, there is not much difference in looking at man boobs, and woman boobs expect for the taboo that has been placed there by society.
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1/19/2014 6:44:41 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 6:37:21 PM, TUF wrote:

The problem here is hyper-sexualization, not breasts themselves. Maybe topless woman legality at the beach is the first step in changing this standard. In reality, there is not much difference in looking at man boobs, and woman boobs expect for the taboo that has been placed there by society.
Interesting take. I agree. I'm not so sure if anything can be changed about it. I don't think I would ever hear out loud someone saying they would want to "motor-boat" a man's breasts." Versus a woman's breasts, you can hear statements like this often depending on where you are. It reminds me of a statement from one of my professors who was from Kenya. He said Americans are sick in the head because breasts are for babies lol
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1/19/2014 6:49:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 6:44:41 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:37:21 PM, TUF wrote:

The problem here is hyper-sexualization, not breasts themselves. Maybe topless woman legality at the beach is the first step in changing this standard. In reality, there is not much difference in looking at man boobs, and woman boobs except for the taboo that has been placed there by society.

Interesting take. I agree. I'm not so sure if anything can be changed about it. I don't think I would ever hear out loud someone saying they would want to "motor-boat" a man's breasts." Versus a woman's breasts, you can hear statements like this often depending on where you are. It reminds me of a statement from one of my professors who was from Kenya. He said Americans are sick in the head because breasts are for babies lol

To the bolded: sure it can. America is in the process already, I feel, of changing many of it's age old taboos. Unfortunately, the way the human psychology and the mind work, even as old ones are lifted, new ones will be placed. There will always be taboos, but some will definitely be lifted. You can see this happening already with gay marriage standards.
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1/19/2014 7:02:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 6:49:37 PM, TUF wrote:

To the bolded: sure it can. America is in the process already, I feel, of changing many of it's age old taboos. Unfortunately, the way the human psychology and the mind work, even as old ones are lifted, new ones will be placed. There will always be taboos, but some will definitely be lifted. You can see this happening already with gay marriage standards.

Yes but you do realize that gay marriage has come into the forefront as America has become more sexualized and casual sex has become common. The prevalence of homosexuality can't be separated from the Sexual Revolution that took place in the late 50 and late 60s. Previously in movies and ads, the mother and the father would sleep in different beds entirely. The Sexual Revolution changed things quite a bit in terms of how sex is perceived and what behavior is to be expected. The media has been the promoter of it.

This is why I don't think it will change any time soon because female breasts are promoted in movies, in bill boards advertisements, and most common in pornography. Society is only becoming more sexualized not less so it seems.
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1/19/2014 7:02:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Female breasts were not always sexualized as they are culturally, now. I see noting wrong with women being topless, nor do I see anything offensive about topless beaches.

Most beaches in Europe that I have been to are totally cool with women being topless, and I've seen people (men and women alike) changing clothes on the beach, too.

It's just not that big of a deal...
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1/19/2014 7:35:59 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?

While I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of such rules, I don't think they are sexist either. A topless man exposes no sexual organs; a topless woman does. The underlying rule is the same for both genders: no sexual organs showing.
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1/19/2014 7:38:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 7:02:11 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:49:37 PM, TUF wrote:

To the bolded: sure it can. America is in the process already, I feel, of changing many of it's age old taboos. Unfortunately, the way the human psychology and the mind work, even as old ones are lifted, new ones will be placed. There will always be taboos, but some will definitely be lifted. You can see this happening already with gay marriage standards.

Yes but you do realize that gay marriage has come into the forefront as America has become more sexualized and casual sex has become common. The prevalence of homosexuality can't be separated from the Sexual Revolution that took place in the late 50 and late 60s. Previously in movies and ads, the mother and the father would sleep in different beds entirely. The Sexual Revolution changed things quite a bit in terms of how sex is perceived and what behavior is to be expected. The media has been the promoter of it.

This is why I don't think it will change any time soon because female breasts are promoted in movies, in bill boards advertisements, and most common in pornography. Society is only becoming more sexualized not less so it seems.

Why do you think another "sexual revolution" will not happen? Besides all of that, I am actually thinking that the "sexual revolution" is what made societies views on this subject so much more lax. Could you imagine woman even thinking about putting up such a protest before the 50-60's? Because the porn and adult modeling industry has grown so big, it seems woman are becoming more and more okay with their sexual identity. Boobs are still hypersexualized, but not as much as they once were.

Ever seen the movie "a christmas story?" Even the leg lamp in that movie was considered hyper-sexualized too.

http://www.achristmasstoryhouse.com...

Now you are hard pressed to find a girl in the summer walking around a beach without showing at least that much of their leg. Sexual boundaries definitely seem to be loosening.
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1/19/2014 7:39:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 7:35:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?

While I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of such rules, I don't think they are sexist either. A topless man exposes no sexual organs; a topless woman does. The underlying rule is the same for both genders: no sexual organs showing.

I am wondering about the reasoning behind the rule however.
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1/19/2014 7:40:05 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 7:02:15 PM, YYW wrote:
Female breasts were not always sexualized as they are culturally, now. I see noting wrong with women being topless, nor do I see anything offensive about topless beaches.

Most beaches in Europe that I have been to are totally cool with women being topless, and I've seen people (men and women alike) changing clothes on the beach, too.

It's just not that big of a deal...

agreed.
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1/19/2014 7:42:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 7:39:46 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:35:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?

While I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of such rules, I don't think they are sexist either. A topless man exposes no sexual organs; a topless woman does. The underlying rule is the same for both genders: no sexual organs showing.

I am wondering about the reasoning behind the rule however.

It's the same as the reasoning for why neither men nor woman should be allowed to go out in public with no clothes on.
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1/19/2014 7:43:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 7:42:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:39:46 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:35:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?

While I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of such rules, I don't think they are sexist either. A topless man exposes no sexual organs; a topless woman does. The underlying rule is the same for both genders: no sexual organs showing.

I am wondering about the reasoning behind the rule however.

It's the same as the reasoning for why neither men nor woman should be allowed to go out in public with no clothes on.

Hypersexualization, which again is the problem being discussed.
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1/19/2014 7:55:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 7:43:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:42:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:39:46 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:35:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?

While I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of such rules, I don't think they are sexist either. A topless man exposes no sexual organs; a topless woman does. The underlying rule is the same for both genders: no sexual organs showing.

I am wondering about the reasoning behind the rule however.

It's the same as the reasoning for why neither men nor woman should be allowed to go out in public with no clothes on.

Hypersexualization, which again is the problem being discussed.

I would disagree that it is "hyper"sexualization or that it is a problem. I would suggest that it is adequate sexualization, since it is genetically programmed that breasts (along with butts and crotches) are biological indicators of sexual maturity. It isn't like ankles, or shoulders, things which are not biological indicators.
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1/19/2014 7:58:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 7:43:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:42:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:39:46 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:35:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?

While I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of such rules, I don't think they are sexist either. A topless man exposes no sexual organs; a topless woman does. The underlying rule is the same for both genders: no sexual organs showing.

I am wondering about the reasoning behind the rule however.

It's the same as the reasoning for why neither men nor woman should be allowed to go out in public with no clothes on.

Hypersexualization, which again is the problem being discussed.

Some people can't help but feel uncomfortable around nudity. Just as I don't think someone has the right to follow a stranger and verbally harass them, so I don't think someone (necessarily) has the right to make others uncomfortable with their nudity. A compromise has to be reached, and in some cases, that means nudity being outlawed in certain places.
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1/19/2014 8:07:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 7:55:24 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:43:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:42:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:39:46 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:35:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?

While I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of such rules, I don't think they are sexist either. A topless man exposes no sexual organs; a topless woman does. The underlying rule is the same for both genders: no sexual organs showing.

I am wondering about the reasoning behind the rule however.

It's the same as the reasoning for why neither men nor woman should be allowed to go out in public with no clothes on.

Hypersexualization, which again is the problem being discussed.

I would disagree that it is "hyper"sexualization or that it is a problem. I would suggest that it is adequate sexualization, since it is genetically programmed that breasts (along with butts and crotches) are biological indicators of sexual maturity. It isn't like ankles, or shoulders, things which are not biological indicators.

Sure, but our social understandings of those things, and the taboo's that surround showing them in public, start because of a pre-existing accepted norm that those things mean more then what they really are.
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1/19/2014 8:07:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 7:58:08 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:43:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:42:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:39:46 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:35:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?

While I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of such rules, I don't think they are sexist either. A topless man exposes no sexual organs; a topless woman does. The underlying rule is the same for both genders: no sexual organs showing.

I am wondering about the reasoning behind the rule however.

It's the same as the reasoning for why neither men nor woman should be allowed to go out in public with no clothes on.

Hypersexualization, which again is the problem being discussed.

Some people can't help but feel uncomfortable around nudity.

I understand, and I think those people should probably stay home, then.

Just as I don't think someone has the right to follow a stranger and verbally harass them, so I don't think someone (necessarily) has the right to make others uncomfortable with their nudity.

You can look away from something you don't like. It's a bit harder to "hear away."

A compromise has to be reached, and in some cases, that means nudity being outlawed in certain places.

The point is whether or not it's fair that women not be allowed to be topless while men are.
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1/19/2014 8:10:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 7:58:08 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:43:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:42:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:39:46 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:35:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?

While I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of such rules, I don't think they are sexist either. A topless man exposes no sexual organs; a topless woman does. The underlying rule is the same for both genders: no sexual organs showing.

I am wondering about the reasoning behind the rule however.

It's the same as the reasoning for why neither men nor woman should be allowed to go out in public with no clothes on.

Hypersexualization, which again is the problem being discussed.

Some people can't help but feel uncomfortable around nudity. Just as I don't think someone has the right to follow a stranger and verbally harass them, so I don't think someone (necessarily) has the right to make others uncomfortable with their nudity. A compromise has to be reached, and in some cases, that means nudity being outlawed in certain places.

People feel un-comfortable with a great many things that are legalized too, such as fat and hairy men being topless at the beach. In context to the topic, the argument is clear in stating that being "un-comfortable" isn't as much of an issue, as sticking by societal taboos.
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1/19/2014 8:14:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 8:07:49 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:58:08 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:43:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:42:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:39:46 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:35:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?

While I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of such rules, I don't think they are sexist either. A topless man exposes no sexual organs; a topless woman does. The underlying rule is the same for both genders: no sexual organs showing.

I am wondering about the reasoning behind the rule however.

It's the same as the reasoning for why neither men nor woman should be allowed to go out in public with no clothes on.

Hypersexualization, which again is the problem being discussed.

Some people can't help but feel uncomfortable around nudity.

I understand, and I think those people should probably stay home, then.

Why? Because you're not one of them?


Just as I don't think someone has the right to follow a stranger and verbally harass them, so I don't think someone (necessarily) has the right to make others uncomfortable with their nudity.

You can look away from something you don't like. It's a bit harder to "hear away."

You wouldn't know to look away without seeing it first ;)


A compromise has to be reached, and in some cases, that means nudity being outlawed in certain places.

The point is whether or not it's fair that women not be allowed to be topless while men are.

I think those are secondary to the underlying question: "Should someone be allowed to go out showing sexual organs". Both genders would be treated equally under this rule.
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1/19/2014 8:17:48 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 7:38:58 PM, TUF wrote:

Why do you think another "sexual revolution" will not happen?
Of course it can happen. The question is what is the probability of it happening. That is another matter altogether.
Besides all of that, I am actually thinking that the "sexual revolution" is what made societies views on this subject so much more lax. Could you imagine woman even thinking about putting up such a protest before the 50-60's? Because the porn and adult modeling industry has grown so big, it seems woman are becoming more and more okay with their sexual identity. Boobs are still hypersexualized, but not as much as they once were.
Before the 1950s-1960s, breasts were not hyper-sexualized at all. I would say from my observations that other parts of the human anatomy have become hyper-sexualized as well where before they previously weren't. If people are trying to go to surgeons in order to alter their look i wouldn't consider them okay with their sexual identity. Instead I would say they have become more insecure.

Ever seen the movie "a christmas story?" Even the leg lamp in that movie was considered hyper-sexualized too.
When I was kid I saw that movie but I never understood why the grandpa was smiling at the lamp.

Now you are hard pressed to find a girl in the summer walking around a beach without showing at least that much of their leg. Sexual boundaries definitely seem to be loosening.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, legs and breasts are not the same at all. It is not common for women don't go to a surgeon and ask for work on their legs. They go to a surgeon to get breast augmentation and get bigger breasts or smaller breasts. In some countries it has been well noted how mysteriously the bra sizes have grown in a decade.
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1/19/2014 8:18:31 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 8:10:38 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:58:08 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:43:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:42:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:39:46 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:35:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?

While I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of such rules, I don't think they are sexist either. A topless man exposes no sexual organs; a topless woman does. The underlying rule is the same for both genders: no sexual organs showing.

I am wondering about the reasoning behind the rule however.

It's the same as the reasoning for why neither men nor woman should be allowed to go out in public with no clothes on.

Hypersexualization, which again is the problem being discussed.

Some people can't help but feel uncomfortable around nudity. Just as I don't think someone has the right to follow a stranger and verbally harass them, so I don't think someone (necessarily) has the right to make others uncomfortable with their nudity. A compromise has to be reached, and in some cases, that means nudity being outlawed in certain places.

People feel un-comfortable with a great many things that are legalized too, such as fat and hairy men being topless at the beach. In context to the topic, the argument is clear in stating that being "un-comfortable" isn't as much of an issue, as sticking by societal taboos.

That's why I said 'a compromise must be reached'. The notion that 'a fat person shouldn't be allowed to leave their house because they will make people uncomfortable' is not a fair compromise. However, the notion that 'citizens shouldn't have the right to own nuclear weapons', is.
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1/19/2014 8:21:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 8:14:29 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 8:07:49 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:58:08 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:43:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:42:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:39:46 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:35:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?

While I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of such rules, I don't think they are sexist either. A topless man exposes no sexual organs; a topless woman does. The underlying rule is the same for both genders: no sexual organs showing.

I am wondering about the reasoning behind the rule however.

It's the same as the reasoning for why neither men nor woman should be allowed to go out in public with no clothes on.

Hypersexualization, which again is the problem being discussed.

Some people can't help but feel uncomfortable around nudity.

I understand, and I think those people should probably stay home, then.

Why? Because you're not one of them?

No. Because people don't have a right not to be offended.



Just as I don't think someone has the right to follow a stranger and verbally harass them, so I don't think someone (necessarily) has the right to make others uncomfortable with their nudity.

You can look away from something you don't like. It's a bit harder to "hear away."

You wouldn't know to look away without seeing it first ;)

I agree with you that in some places nudity ought to be legally prohibited... like in restaurants. But on beaches? That's a different situation.



A compromise has to be reached, and in some cases, that means nudity being outlawed in certain places.

The point is whether or not it's fair that women not be allowed to be topless while men are.

I think those are secondary to the underlying question: "Should someone be allowed to go out showing sexual organs". Both genders would be treated equally under this rule.

No one is talking about not wearing pants... lol
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1/19/2014 8:25:43 PM
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(no offense to you religious nut cases out there). Pretty lame attempt at not being offensive don't ya think? But I am sure the feeling is mutual at any rate. (No offense to the secular retards)
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1/19/2014 8:30:25 PM
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Has anyone noticed that it has mostly been males that have posted on this thread? I would like to hear a female opinion on the matter.

Males and females are different. Because we all know if a man's genital was showing everyone and their grandma would be upset.
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1/19/2014 8:37:14 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 8:21:17 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/19/2014 8:14:29 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 8:07:49 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:58:08 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:43:14 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:42:30 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:39:46 PM, TUF wrote:
At 1/19/2014 7:35:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?

While I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of such rules, I don't think they are sexist either. A topless man exposes no sexual organs; a topless woman does. The underlying rule is the same for both genders: no sexual organs showing.

I am wondering about the reasoning behind the rule however.

It's the same as the reasoning for why neither men nor woman should be allowed to go out in public with no clothes on.

Hypersexualization, which again is the problem being discussed.

Some people can't help but feel uncomfortable around nudity.

I understand, and I think those people should probably stay home, then.

Why? Because you're not one of them?

No. Because people don't have a right not to be offended.


Ultimately, I think it's up to the owner of the property. If that owner is the government, I think they should try to accommodate for as many *reasonable* considerations as possible, which I don't think includes "I want to be nude on your property".


Just as I don't think someone has the right to follow a stranger and verbally harass them, so I don't think someone (necessarily) has the right to make others uncomfortable with their nudity.

You can look away from something you don't like. It's a bit harder to "hear away."

You wouldn't know to look away without seeing it first ;)

I agree with you that in some places nudity ought to be legally prohibited... like in restaurants. But on beaches? That's a different situation.




A compromise has to be reached, and in some cases, that means nudity being outlawed in certain places.

The point is whether or not it's fair that women not be allowed to be topless while men are.

I think those are secondary to the underlying question: "Should someone be allowed to go out showing sexual organs". Both genders would be treated equally under this rule.

No one is talking about not wearing pants... lol
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1/19/2014 8:37:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 8:30:25 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
Has anyone noticed that it has mostly been males that have posted on this thread? I would like to hear a female opinion on the matter.

Males and females are different. Because we all know if a man's genital was showing everyone and their grandma would be upset.

That's just because DDO is predominately male.
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1/19/2014 8:40:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 8:37:57 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/19/2014 8:30:25 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
Has anyone noticed that it has mostly been males that have posted on this thread? I would like to hear a female opinion on the matter.

Males and females are different. Because we all know if a man's genital was showing everyone and their grandma would be upset.

That's just because DDO is predominately male.

True. But I think very few males on DDO would dislike this which is what I am getting at.
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1/19/2014 8:40:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 8:30:25 PM, Tophatdoc wrote:
Has anyone noticed that it has mostly been males that have posted on this thread? I would like to hear a female opinion on the matter.

Males and females are different. Because we all know if a man's genital was showing everyone and their grandma would be upset.

Men's genitals are just as physically un-appealing as a fat man's boobs. To me.
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1/19/2014 8:41:58 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 8:25:43 PM, sadolite wrote:
(no offense to you religious nut cases out there). Pretty lame attempt at not being offensive don't ya think? But I am sure the feeling is mutual at any rate. (No offense to the secular retards)

None taken ;-)
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1/19/2014 8:47:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 1/19/2014 6:11:40 PM, TUF wrote:
Umm... Okay... So I found this video on YouTube. I had NO idea this was actually an issue, but apparently, it is. There are hundreds of females out there complaining because they do not have the right to be topless on the beach. Seriously, who in their right mind made that rule? No I am just kidding, I know there will people who actually are against this, so that is why I am opening this up for a semi-serious discussion. I was browsing some YouTube videos, and I found this Steve Greene video. I didn't know if this was real, so I looked it up. They actually have a website (I won't link it, because I think that violates TOS) in support of this movement. So much, that they get a bunch of women together every year, and hold topless rallies, and you see a bunch of religious nuts rage against it (no offense to you religious nut cases out there). These guys went so far as to write Miley Cyrus some big exaggerate letter and everything. Seriously, if I could imagine one topless woman going up to any politician, asking for this, and cannot imagine any male saying no, but I am apparently wrong...

https://www.youtube.com...

So who here is opposed to topless woman on the beach, but not topless men, and why?

So how did you "accidentally" stumble across video's crowds of half naked girls?