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Garbanza
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9/9/2014 7:16:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I don't like abortion. Nobody likes abortion.

Let's imagine a fantasy world where there was no shame on women for getting pregnant, where motherhood was linked to a boost in status, where women were financially and practically supported throughout pregnancy and when their children were small.

In this world, women would not have to choose between a career or motherhood, they could do both, because society was designed for them to. Motherhood would not isolate them but, on the contrary, link them to the world, and they would stay connected and influential even after having children.

Importantly, children would not destroy a woman's freedom and opportunities. It would not impoverish her. Broader society would absorb the responsibility of children - including children with disabilities into adulthood - and not leave it to just one section (women and mothers) to deal with.

This world is impossible, of course. I just wanted to say it, though, because in a world like that, I think that abortions would be rare.

There are lots of men here blaming women for abortions, but it's their own fault too and the fault of society in general.
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9/9/2014 10:36:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

Is that your real opinion, are you just trying to be outrageous and shocking, or do you think that's a significant basis of abortion support in the US? Which?
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9/9/2014 10:48:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/9/2014 10:36:56 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

Is that your real opinion, are you just trying to be outrageous and shocking, or do you think that's a significant basis of abortion support in the US? Which?

Blacks commit the most crimes, so it's good they get the most abortions.
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9/9/2014 10:54:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/9/2014 10:48:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:36:56 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

Is that your real opinion, are you just trying to be outrageous and shocking, or do you think that's a significant basis of abortion support in the US? Which?

Blacks commit the most crimes, so it's good they get the most abortions.

You're so outrageous and shocking.
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9/9/2014 11:02:46 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/9/2014 10:54:45 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:48:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:36:56 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

Is that your real opinion, are you just trying to be outrageous and shocking, or do you think that's a significant basis of abortion support in the US? Which?

Blacks commit the most crimes, so it's good they get the most abortions.

You're so outrageous and shocking.

Thanks
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9/9/2014 11:07:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

But, if they are all aborted, who will me and my cop friends shoot? It's a double edged sword really.
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9/9/2014 11:15:47 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/9/2014 11:07:06 PM, numberwang wrote:
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

But, if they are all aborted, who will me and my cop friends shoot? It's a double edged sword really.

It is. Without blacks, stand your ground laws are pointless.
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9/9/2014 11:22:34 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I started TWO threads, and this one got the better response. I'm actually grateful for the response on this. O.O

I suppose the other one was too intellectual.
Garbanza
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9/9/2014 11:29:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/9/2014 11:22:34 PM, Garbanza wrote:
I started TWO threads, and this one got the better response. I'm actually grateful for the response on this. O.O

I suppose the other one was too intellectual.

That was sarcasm, and only because I'm feeling stupid myself today. I'm trying to understand consciousness and I can't. It's too hard.

Also, I feel obliged to be bitchy because of the racism, even though you're joking, you're not really.
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9/10/2014 12:07:03 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/9/2014 10:48:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:36:56 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

Is that your real opinion, are you just trying to be outrageous and shocking, or do you think that's a significant basis of abortion support in the US? Which?

Blacks commit the most crimes, so it's good they get the most abortions.

I read this argument before, I think it was in freakonomics, or somewhere like that, except that they didn't say blacks, they said lower socioeconomic groups. They argued that the reduced crime rate was entirely due to abortions becoming legal. That kind of analysis makes me want to go out and assault someone just to celebrate the sheer pointlessness of everything.
Garbanza
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9/10/2014 12:08:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/10/2014 12:07:03 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:48:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:36:56 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

Is that your real opinion, are you just trying to be outrageous and shocking, or do you think that's a significant basis of abortion support in the US? Which?

Blacks commit the most crimes, so it's good they get the most abortions.

I read this argument before, I think it was in freakonomics, or somewhere like that, except that they didn't say blacks, they said lower socioeconomic groups. They argued that the reduced crime rate was entirely due to abortions becoming legal. That kind of analysis makes me want to go out and assault someone just to celebrate the sheer pointlessness of everything.

yes, here they are such @ssholes.

http://freakonomics.com...
Wylted
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9/10/2014 12:11:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/10/2014 12:08:19 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:07:03 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:48:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:36:56 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

Is that your real opinion, are you just trying to be outrageous and shocking, or do you think that's a significant basis of abortion support in the US? Which?

Blacks commit the most crimes, so it's good they get the most abortions.

I read this argument before, I think it was in freakonomics, or somewhere like that, except that they didn't say blacks, they said lower socioeconomic groups. They argued that the reduced crime rate was entirely due to abortions becoming legal. That kind of analysis makes me want to go out and assault someone just to celebrate the sheer pointlessness of everything.

yes, here they are such @ssholes.

http://freakonomics.com...

That's why I'm pro abortion. It's obvious that when less blacks are being born less crimes will occur.
Garbanza
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9/10/2014 12:13:39 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/10/2014 12:11:09 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:08:19 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:07:03 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:48:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:36:56 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

Is that your real opinion, are you just trying to be outrageous and shocking, or do you think that's a significant basis of abortion support in the US? Which?

Blacks commit the most crimes, so it's good they get the most abortions.

I read this argument before, I think it was in freakonomics, or somewhere like that, except that they didn't say blacks, they said lower socioeconomic groups. They argued that the reduced crime rate was entirely due to abortions becoming legal. That kind of analysis makes me want to go out and assault someone just to celebrate the sheer pointlessness of everything.

yes, here they are such @ssholes.

http://freakonomics.com...

That's why I'm pro abortion. It's obvious that when less blacks are being born less crimes will occur.

If we indiscriminately shot 50% of Americans, the crime rate would fall by at least 50%.
Wylted
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9/10/2014 12:15:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/10/2014 12:13:39 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:11:09 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:08:19 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:07:03 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:48:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:36:56 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

Is that your real opinion, are you just trying to be outrageous and shocking, or do you think that's a significant basis of abortion support in the US? Which?

Blacks commit the most crimes, so it's good they get the most abortions.

I read this argument before, I think it was in freakonomics, or somewhere like that, except that they didn't say blacks, they said lower socioeconomic groups. They argued that the reduced crime rate was entirely due to abortions becoming legal. That kind of analysis makes me want to go out and assault someone just to celebrate the sheer pointlessness of everything.

yes, here they are such @ssholes.

http://freakonomics.com...

That's why I'm pro abortion. It's obvious that when less blacks are being born less crimes will occur.

If we indiscriminately shot 50% of Americans, the crime rate would fall by at least 50%.

That's true, but if we only shot all blacks crime rate would drop by 75%. Abortions kill a disproportionate amount of blacks and that's why liberals are for it.
Garbanza
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9/10/2014 12:18:00 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/10/2014 12:15:35 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:13:39 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:11:09 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:08:19 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:07:03 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:48:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:36:56 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

Is that your real opinion, are you just trying to be outrageous and shocking, or do you think that's a significant basis of abortion support in the US? Which?

Blacks commit the most crimes, so it's good they get the most abortions.

I read this argument before, I think it was in freakonomics, or somewhere like that, except that they didn't say blacks, they said lower socioeconomic groups. They argued that the reduced crime rate was entirely due to abortions becoming legal. That kind of analysis makes me want to go out and assault someone just to celebrate the sheer pointlessness of everything.

yes, here they are such @ssholes.

http://freakonomics.com...

That's why I'm pro abortion. It's obvious that when less blacks are being born less crimes will occur.

If we indiscriminately shot 50% of Americans, the crime rate would fall by at least 50%.

That's true, but if we only shot all blacks crime rate would drop by 75%. Abortions kill a disproportionate amount of blacks and that's why liberals are for it.

No, that's why conservatives aren't really fighting against it.
numberwang
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9/10/2014 12:20:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/10/2014 12:07:03 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:48:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:36:56 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

Is that your real opinion, are you just trying to be outrageous and shocking, or do you think that's a significant basis of abortion support in the US? Which?

Blacks commit the most crimes, so it's good they get the most abortions.

I read this argument before, I think it was in freakonomics, or somewhere like that, except that they didn't say blacks, they said lower socioeconomic groups. They argued that the reduced crime rate was entirely due to abortions becoming legal. That kind of analysis makes me want to go out and assault someone just to celebrate the sheer pointlessness of everything.

It was in freakenomics (I read it too) and it wasn't a solid argument, but he did suggest that there was a link between the timing of row v wade and the end of the crime/drug wave a little while later. It wasn't like he was saying that abortions actually lowered crimes, he was just suggesting that they might have lowered crime. Pretty stupid argument either way, even if it is an interesting coincidence.
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9/10/2014 12:20:43 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/10/2014 12:18:00 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:15:35 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:13:39 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:11:09 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:08:19 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:07:03 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:48:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:36:56 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

Is that your real opinion, are you just trying to be outrageous and shocking, or do you think that's a significant basis of abortion support in the US? Which?

Blacks commit the most crimes, so it's good they get the most abortions.

I read this argument before, I think it was in freakonomics, or somewhere like that, except that they didn't say blacks, they said lower socioeconomic groups. They argued that the reduced crime rate was entirely due to abortions becoming legal. That kind of analysis makes me want to go out and assault someone just to celebrate the sheer pointlessness of everything.

yes, here they are such @ssholes.

http://freakonomics.com...

That's why I'm pro abortion. It's obvious that when less blacks are being born less crimes will occur.

If we indiscriminately shot 50% of Americans, the crime rate would fall by at least 50%.

That's true, but if we only shot all blacks crime rate would drop by 75%. Abortions kill a disproportionate amount of blacks and that's why liberals are for it.

No, that's why conservatives aren't really fighting against it.

Actually conservatives are typically anti abortion. Liberals know it kills a disproportionate amount of blacks and are pro abortion. When you see strongly pro loliges people they're always conservatives.
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9/10/2014 12:22:37 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/10/2014 12:20:43 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:18:00 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:15:35 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:13:39 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:11:09 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:08:19 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:07:03 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:48:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:36:56 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

Is that your real opinion, are you just trying to be outrageous and shocking, or do you think that's a significant basis of abortion support in the US? Which?

Blacks commit the most crimes, so it's good they get the most abortions.

I read this argument before, I think it was in freakonomics, or somewhere like that, except that they didn't say blacks, they said lower socioeconomic groups. They argued that the reduced crime rate was entirely due to abortions becoming legal. That kind of analysis makes me want to go out and assault someone just to celebrate the sheer pointlessness of everything.

yes, here they are such @ssholes.

http://freakonomics.com...

That's why I'm pro abortion. It's obvious that when less blacks are being born less crimes will occur.

If we indiscriminately shot 50% of Americans, the crime rate would fall by at least 50%.

That's true, but if we only shot all blacks crime rate would drop by 75%. Abortions kill a disproportionate amount of blacks and that's why liberals are for it.

No, that's why conservatives aren't really fighting against it.

Actually conservatives are typically anti abortion. Liberals know it kills a disproportionate amount of blacks and are pro abortion. When you see strongly pro loliges people they're always conservatives.

lol

you provocativemotherfucker, you...
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9/10/2014 12:28:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/10/2014 12:26:15 AM, Wylted wrote:
Don't interrupt my trolling!!!!!

Hey, who said you were trolling? ;)
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9/10/2014 12:32:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/10/2014 12:28:09 AM, YYW wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:26:15 AM, Wylted wrote:
Don't interrupt my trolling!!!!!

Hey, who said you were trolling? ;)

That's true nothing I said was false. I did speculate about motivations, but those can't be proven untrue either.
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9/10/2014 12:37:15 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/10/2014 12:32:57 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:28:09 AM, YYW wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:26:15 AM, Wylted wrote:
Don't interrupt my trolling!!!!!

Hey, who said you were trolling? ;)

That's true nothing I said was false. I did speculate about motivations, but those can't be proven untrue either.

lol, you're the ultimate devils advocate...
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9/10/2014 12:43:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/10/2014 12:37:15 AM, YYW wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:32:57 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:28:09 AM, YYW wrote:
At 9/10/2014 12:26:15 AM, Wylted wrote:
Don't interrupt my trolling!!!!!

Hey, who said you were trolling? ;)

That's true nothing I said was false. I did speculate about motivations, but those can't be proven untrue either.

lol, you're the ultimate devils advocate...

I'm hearing that a lot lately. To tell you the truth Devil's advocate is easier. I'm not restrained by my version of the truth. I have a lot more creativity at my disposal.

A Christian arguing for the divinity of Jesus will struggle more than I will to argue the same thing.
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9/10/2014 1:39:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/9/2014 11:02:46 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:54:45 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:48:28 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 9/9/2014 10:36:56 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/9/2014 9:39:56 PM, Wylted wrote:
Abortion is good because it keeps the black population down.

Is that your real opinion, are you just trying to be outrageous and shocking, or do you think that's a significant basis of abortion support in the US? Which?

Blacks commit the most crimes, so it's good they get the most abortions.

You're so outrageous and shocking.

Thanks

^lol
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9/10/2014 2:13:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/9/2014 7:16:52 PM, Garbanza wrote:
I don't like abortion. Nobody likes abortion.

Let's imagine a fantasy world where there was no shame on women for getting pregnant, where motherhood was linked to a boost in status, where women were financially and practically supported throughout pregnancy and when their children were small.

In this world, women would not have to choose between a career or motherhood, they could do both, because society was designed for them to. Motherhood would not isolate them but, on the contrary, link them to the world, and they would stay connected and influential even after having children.

Importantly, children would not destroy a woman's freedom and opportunities. It would not impoverish her. Broader society would absorb the responsibility of children - including children with disabilities into adulthood - and not leave it to just one section (women and mothers) to deal with.

This world is impossible, of course. I just wanted to say it, though, because in a world like that, I think that abortions would be rare.

There are lots of men here blaming women for abortions, but it's their own fault too and the fault of society in general.

Authentic communism (not the sham Soviet variety) could, BION, in fact deliver such a form of society. Hey, anti-choice conservatives, your ideological bete noire, socialism, is the best and ultimate solution to the "abortion problem"! Sometimes it seems that life is just full to brimming with cruel ironies.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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9/10/2014 10:54:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/10/2014 2:13:11 AM, charleslb wrote:

Authentic communism (not the sham Soviet variety) could, BION, in fact deliver such a form of society. Hey, anti-choice conservatives, your ideological bete noire, socialism, is the best and ultimate solution to the "abortion problem"! Sometimes it seems that life is just full to brimming with cruel ironies.

Cruel irony is the best, but I don't see how a political system could deliver personal attitudes or values.
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9/10/2014 11:05:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/9/2014 7:16:52 PM, Garbanza wrote:
I don't like abortion. Nobody likes abortion.

Let's imagine a fantasy world where there was no shame on women for getting pregnant, where motherhood was linked to a boost in status, where women were financially and practically supported throughout pregnancy and when their children were small.

In this world, women would not have to choose between a career or motherhood, they could do both, because society was designed for them to. Motherhood would not isolate them but, on the contrary, link them to the world, and they would stay connected and influential even after having children.

Importantly, children would not destroy a woman's freedom and opportunities. It would not impoverish her. Broader society would absorb the responsibility of children - including children with disabilities into adulthood - and not leave it to just one section (women and mothers) to deal with.

This world is impossible, of course. I just wanted to say it, though, because in a world like that, I think that abortions would be rare.

There are lots of men here blaming women for abortions, but it's their own fault too and the fault of society in general.

oh my your profile picture certainly matches your message.
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9/10/2014 11:41:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/10/2014 10:54:01 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 9/10/2014 2:13:11 AM, charleslb wrote:

Authentic communism (not the sham Soviet variety) could, BION, in fact deliver such a form of society. Hey, anti-choice conservatives, your ideological bete noire, socialism, is the best and ultimate solution to the "abortion problem"! Sometimes it seems that life is just full to brimming with cruel ironies.

Cruel irony is the best, but I don't see how a political system could deliver personal attitudes or values.

When one's own personal well-being is assured, then one is allowed more room to think for others. Children need not necessarily be burdens for some.
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9/10/2014 12:01:04 PM
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Also, are you actually serious? It's quite plain to see that people are deeply affected by social situation. And capitalism is--and make no mistake about it-- dog-eat-dog politics. It's No Country for Old Men, and I can point out numerous criminal cases which basically amount to psychopaths' artistic renderings of this. And it isn't them that made the world as it is, they're just owning it.