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kelly224
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4/2/2010 8:00:52 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I was having a discussion with a friend of mine last night. It was a deeply enthralling conversation. He has several degrees, a Doctorate actually, nevertheless he is not the smartest apple out of the barrel. This had me thinking of how high education plays a role in our society.

Some are fortunate to attend schools with prestigious names, and are raised with an impressive pedigree. They may score extremely high on aptitude tests, but transfer them into the real world, and they are like chickens with their heads cut off. I'm not taking a stab at ant particular ethnicity, because I believe there are intellectuals of all shades.

I think it was Gandhi who said "Knowledge without character is immoral"...If I misquoted I apologize, but I think that is correct.

This lead me further to ponder on...What exactly is an intellectual, and what constitutes them being so?

Moreover, I have met plenty of everyday people who don't have that impressive pedrigree who have expounded the most profound of thoughts.

Does reading alot of books make you an intellectual? Because everyone who reads isn't comprehending what points the authour is trying to convey.
Volkov
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4/2/2010 9:08:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
"An intellectual is a person who uses intelligence (thought and reason) and critical or analytical thinking, either in a professional or a personal capacity."

- Wikipedia.

There isn't much else to it. Most people who use the words "intellectual" refer to someone who uses it in a professional capacity, so those whose jobs it is to use "intelligence and critical or analytical thinking" in order to solve problems that others can't or won't tackle, are 'professional intellectuals'.

Personally, anyone can be an "intellectual," so long as they're attune to "thought and reason" when tackling issues. "Intellectual honesty" is where someone presents an argument over something that follows that patten.

Not a big issue, aye.
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4/2/2010 9:51:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/2/2010 8:00:52 AM, kelly224 wrote:
He has several degrees, a Doctorate actually, nevertheless he is not the smartest apple out of the barrel.

Is his name banker?
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4/2/2010 11:58:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/2/2010 9:51:05 AM, collegekitchen9 wrote:
At 4/2/2010 8:00:52 AM, kelly224 wrote:
He has several degrees, a Doctorate actually, nevertheless he is not the smartest apple out of the barrel.

Is his name banker?

10/10.
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4/2/2010 12:01:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I heard somewhere that the more highly "educated" you are, the more likely you are to join a cult. I can't verify that though.
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4/2/2010 1:20:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/2/2010 8:00:52 AM, kelly224 wrote:

This had me thinking of how high education plays a role in our society.

Some are fortunate to attend schools with prestigious names, and are raised with an impressive pedigree. They may score extremely high on aptitude tests, but transfer them into the real world, and they are like chickens with their heads cut off.

You're implying ALL people to whom this academic "pedigree" applies (screw up in "the real world"), which is ludicrous. While you'll always have some who struggle to adjust, most people who graduate from "prestigious" colleges do quite well for themselves.

If the preponderance of evidence suggested otherwise, such institutions would cease to be prestigious and no longer receive lavish alumni donations.
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4/2/2010 1:44:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/2/2010 12:01:01 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I heard somewhere that the more highly "educated" you are, the more likely you are to join a cult. I can't verify that though.

according to the "cult information centre"

When looking at the kind of person most likely to fall victim to the cults, many people are surprised by the findings. The following are characteristics of the most likely cult recruit and suggest that the person:
1. Is from an economically sound family background.
2. Has average to above average intelligence.
3. Has a good education.
4. Is idealistic.

maybe thats where you got it from?

other websites don't really mention education at all. the big ones are idealism and gullibility... for obvious reasons i would think...
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4/2/2010 6:33:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/2/2010 1:20:36 PM, USAPitBull63 wrote:

If the preponderance of evidence suggested otherwise, such institutions would cease to be prestigious and no longer receive lavish alumni donations.

Not entirely true. I had several teachers at Rutgers (considered a public ivy - ha) who had also taught at Princeton which is close by. Every single one of them said the same thing: that they hated teaching there, because the kids were a-ssholes and many had no desire to learn. Sure, a lot of the kids who attend these schools are incredibly smart; however, at least half of them are there strictly because of strings that were pulled. Haha didn't GWB graduate from Yale?

One professor told us a story about how some kids would literally say, "Just tell me what I need to do to pass - I already have a job lined up for me once I graduate anyway." That's the attitude and mentality of more kids in ivy's then you'd think. The professor then said, "Oh yeah - then I noticed his last name was the same name as one of the dorms." In other words, his family was loaded, probably alums, and obviously big time donors to the school.
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4/2/2010 6:37:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/2/2010 9:08:25 AM, Volkov wrote:
"An intellectual is a person who uses intelligence (thought and reason) and critical or analytical thinking, either in a professional or a personal capacity."

I think this about hits the nail right on the head.

I'll say this: I've made some personal decisions that have derailed my education for the time being. As such, I have nothing to back up my intellectual capacity. Meanwhile, some kids I graduated HS with who were complete morons... and still are (!!!) are getting ready to finish up their masters. On paper, I look absolutely silly next to them. Meanwhile, I'm far more intelligent than they could ever hope to be. Hah. I have a friend who's about to get her masters (in EDUCATION!!!) at the end of the semester, and honest to Allah she asked me the other day if Chicago was in Massachusetts. Hmm. America, meet your teachers...
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4/2/2010 6:43:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/2/2010 6:37:57 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Meanwhile, some kids I graduated HS with who were complete morons... and still are (!!!) are getting ready to finish up their masters. On paper, I look absolutely silly next to them. Meanwhile, I'm far more intelligent than they could ever hope to be. Hah. I have a friend who's about to get her masters (in EDUCATION!!!) at the end of the semester, and honest to Allah she asked me the other day if Chicago was in Massachusetts. Hmm. America, meet your teachers...

Truth. Kids with book-smarts and book-smarts only piss me off.
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4/2/2010 7:26:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/2/2010 7:17:34 PM, comoncents wrote:
Who here considers themselves a "Intellectual"?

lol :)
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4/2/2010 7:32:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/2/2010 6:37:57 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 4/2/2010 9:08:25 AM, Volkov wrote:
"An intellectual is a person who uses intelligence (thought and reason) and critical or analytical thinking, either in a professional or a personal capacity."

I think this about hits the nail right on the head.

I'll say this: I've made some personal decisions that have derailed my education for the time being. As such, I have nothing to back up my intellectual capacity. Meanwhile, some kids I graduated HS with who were complete morons... and still are (!!!) are getting ready to finish up their masters. On paper, I look absolutely silly next to them. Meanwhile, I'm far more intelligent than they could ever hope to be. Hah. I have a friend who's about to get her masters (in EDUCATION!!!) at the end of the semester, and honest to Allah she asked me the other day if Chicago was in Massachusetts. Hmm. America, meet your teachers...

Hmm...no wonder the American education system sucks. lol
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4/2/2010 7:45:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/2/2010 7:32:29 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 4/2/2010 6:37:57 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 4/2/2010 9:08:25 AM, Volkov wrote:
"An intellectual is a person who uses intelligence (thought and reason) and critical or analytical thinking, either in a professional or a personal capacity."

I think this about hits the nail right on the head.

I'll say this: I've made some personal decisions that have derailed my education for the time being. As such, I have nothing to back up my intellectual capacity. Meanwhile, some kids I graduated HS with who were complete morons... and still are (!!!) are getting ready to finish up their masters. On paper, I look absolutely silly next to them. Meanwhile, I'm far more intelligent than they could ever hope to be. Hah. I have a friend who's about to get her masters (in EDUCATION!!!) at the end of the semester, and honest to Allah she asked me the other day if Chicago was in Massachusetts. Hmm. America, meet your teachers...

Hmm...no wonder the American education system sucks. lol

to be fair, I don't think our's is much better
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4/2/2010 7:48:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/2/2010 7:45:46 PM, MikeLoviN wrote:
At 4/2/2010 7:32:29 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 4/2/2010 6:37:57 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 4/2/2010 9:08:25 AM, Volkov wrote:
"An intellectual is a person who uses intelligence (thought and reason) and critical or analytical thinking, either in a professional or a personal capacity."

I think this about hits the nail right on the head.

I'll say this: I've made some personal decisions that have derailed my education for the time being. As such, I have nothing to back up my intellectual capacity. Meanwhile, some kids I graduated HS with who were complete morons... and still are (!!!) are getting ready to finish up their masters. On paper, I look absolutely silly next to them. Meanwhile, I'm far more intelligent than they could ever hope to be. Hah. I have a friend who's about to get her masters (in EDUCATION!!!) at the end of the semester, and honest to Allah she asked me the other day if Chicago was in Massachusetts. Hmm. America, meet your teachers...

Hmm...no wonder the American education system sucks. lol

to be fair, I don't think our's is much better

Yea, but probably not by much since the funding keeps being cut.
USAPitBull63
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4/2/2010 8:27:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/2/2010 6:33:59 PM, theLwerd wrote:

Not entirely true.

But, on balance (a.k.a., by preponderance), it is far more true than not.

I had several teachers at Rutgers (considered a public ivy - ha) who had also taught at Princeton which is close by. Every single one of them said the same thing: that they hated teaching there, because the kids were a-ssholes and many had no desire to learn. Sure, a lot of the kids who attend these schools are incredibly smart; however, at least half of them are there strictly because of strings that were pulled. Haha didn't GWB graduate from Yale?

Yes, as did Bill Clinton (law). And Barack Obama was Editor of the Harvard Law Review.

One professor told us a story about how some kids would literally say, "Just tell me what I need to do to pass - I already have a job lined up for me once I graduate anyway." That's the attitude and mentality of more kids in ivy's then you'd think.

Even so, that sounds like they'll "do quite well for themselves," which was my original statement.

The professor then said, "Oh yeah - then I noticed his last name was the same name as one of the dorms." In other words, his family was loaded, probably alums, and obviously big time donors to the school.

That goes directly to my statement about alumni donations.
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4/3/2010 12:26:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
For the most part, true intellectuals are more interested in being more intelligent than on showing how intelligent they are.
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4/5/2010 2:02:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/2/2010 6:33:59 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 4/2/2010 1:20:36 PM, USAPitBull63 wrote:

If the preponderance of evidence suggested otherwise, such institutions would cease to be prestigious and no longer receive lavish alumni donations.

Not entirely true. I had several teachers at Rutgers (considered a public ivy - ha) who had also taught at Princeton which is close by. Every single one of them said the same thing: that they hated teaching there, because the kids were a-ssholes and many had no desire to learn. Sure, a lot of the kids who attend these schools are incredibly smart; however, at least half of them are there strictly because of strings that were pulled. Haha didn't GWB graduate from Yale?

One professor told us a story about how some kids would literally say, "Just tell me what I need to do to pass - I already have a job lined up for me once I graduate anyway." That's the attitude and mentality of more kids in ivy's then you'd think. The professor then said, "Oh yeah - then I noticed his last name was the same name as one of the dorms." In other words, his family was loaded, probably alums, and obviously big time donors to the school.

Excellentlly said. Everyone who attends these schools did not earn to be there.
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4/5/2010 2:03:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/2/2010 1:20:36 PM, USAPitBull63 wrote:
At 4/2/2010 8:00:52 AM, kelly224 wrote:

This had me thinking of how high education plays a role in our society.

Some are fortunate to attend schools with prestigious names, and are raised with an impressive pedigree. They may score extremely high on aptitude tests, but transfer them into the real world, and they are like chickens with their heads cut off.

You're implying ALL people to whom this academic "pedigree" applies (screw up in "the real world"), which is ludicrous. While you'll always have some who struggle to adjust, most people who graduate from "prestigious" colleges do quite well for themselves.

If the preponderance of evidence suggested otherwise, such institutions would cease to be prestigious and no longer receive lavish alumni donations.

Keep it in the family right?...i.e. Bush
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4/5/2010 2:06:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/4/2010 4:56:27 AM, feverish wrote:
At 4/2/2010 7:17:34 PM, comoncents wrote:
Who here considers themselves a "Intellectual"?

I'm an intellectual and an ignoramus.

I think we all are. Even the person with the highest IQ is ignorant in some area. When you get to the place where you feel you know everything there is to learn, then there should be some reality checks in place because you shuld be placed in asylum.
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4/5/2010 2:17:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 2:06:24 PM, kelly224 wrote:
At 4/4/2010 4:56:27 AM, feverish wrote:
At 4/2/2010 7:17:34 PM, comoncents wrote:
Who here considers themselves a "Intellectual"?

I'm an intellectual and an ignoramus.

I think we all are. Even the person with the highest IQ is ignorant in some area. When you get to the place where you feel you know everything there is to learn, then there should be some reality checks in place because you shuld be placed in asylum.

Reality checks? Those aren't anything like sobriety checkpoints, are they?
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4/6/2010 12:57:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 2:06:24 PM, kelly224 wrote:
At 4/4/2010 4:56:27 AM, feverish wrote:
At 4/2/2010 7:17:34 PM, comoncents wrote:
Who here considers themselves a "Intellectual"?

I'm an intellectual and an ignoramus.

I think we all are. Even the person with the highest IQ is ignorant in some area. When you get to the place where you feel you know everything there is to learn, then there should be some reality checks in place because you shuld be placed in asylum.

Either we've gone insane or we just pwnt God at being omniscient.
Take that God.
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4/6/2010 1:12:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/6/2010 12:57:22 AM, homework wrote:
At 4/5/2010 2:06:24 PM, kelly224 wrote:
At 4/4/2010 4:56:27 AM, feverish wrote:
At 4/2/2010 7:17:34 PM, comoncents wrote:
Who here considers themselves a "Intellectual"?

I'm an intellectual and an ignoramus.

I think we all are. Even the person with the highest IQ is ignorant in some area. When you get to the place where you feel you know everything there is to learn, then there should be some reality checks in place because you shuld be placed in asylum.

Either we've gone insane or we just pwnt God at being omniscient.
Take that God.

Are you being serious?
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4/6/2010 1:48:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/6/2010 1:12:28 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 4/6/2010 12:57:22 AM, homework wrote:
At 4/5/2010 2:06:24 PM, kelly224 wrote:
At 4/4/2010 4:56:27 AM, feverish wrote:
At 4/2/2010 7:17:34 PM, comoncents wrote:
Who here considers themselves a "Intellectual"?

I'm an intellectual and an ignoramus.

I think we all are. Even the person with the highest IQ is ignorant in some area. When you get to the place where you feel you know everything there is to learn, then there should be some reality checks in place because you shuld be placed in asylum.

Either we've gone insane or we just pwnt God at being omniscient.
Take that God.

Are you being serious?

do I really have to answer that? XD
Psychologists think they're experimental psychologists
Experimental psychologists think they're biologists
Biologists think they're biochemists
Biochemists think they're chemists
Chemists think they're physical chemists
Physical chemists think they're physicists
Physicists think they're theoretical physicists
Theoretical physicists think they're mathematicians
Mathematicians think they're metamathematicians
Metamathematicians think they're philosophers
Philosophers think they're Gods
kelly224
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4/9/2010 11:22:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 2:17:45 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 4/5/2010 2:06:24 PM, kelly224 wrote:
At 4/4/2010 4:56:27 AM, feverish wrote:
At 4/2/2010 7:17:34 PM, comoncents wrote:
Who here considers themselves a "Intellectual"?

I'm an intellectual and an ignoramus.

I think we all are. Even the person with the highest IQ is ignorant in some area. When you get to the place where you feel you know everything there is to learn, then there should be some reality checks in place because you shuld be placed in asylum.

Reality checks? Those aren't anything like sobriety checkpoints, are they?

No they are humbling points in life. If more people were to display humility then maybe we would not have so mush strife.