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should the voting age be lowered?

headphonegut
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4/5/2010 6:31:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
well I'd been discussing at length with my teacher (debate coach) why the voting age should be lowered and some of the benefits however he destroyed me with there are more dumb asses than intellectuals what are your thoughts and reasons for why the voting age should or shouldn't be lowered?
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Ragnar_Rahl
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4/5/2010 6:37:38 PM
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Raise it to 200. End democracy. Boom, no more people voting to take your stuff.
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4/5/2010 6:41:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Most adults are dumb asses. Argument falls apart. Around 16 is when average people start getting jobs and pay many of the same taxes adults do. Shouldn't they have a say in the matter?
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4/5/2010 6:49:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The forces that be are always trying to suppress the next generation and hold on to power as long as possible. I say let the future begin. In this era of the internet most teenagers are actually smarter than their parents having been exposed to much more information.
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4/5/2010 6:49:37 PM
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Not a fan of democracy, but I always thought that votjg should be an earned right. There should be some type of test you have to pass in order to vote. Don't ask me what would be on the test, I haven't thought much about tuis idea past the whole, "there should be a test" part.
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4/5/2010 6:52:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 6:49:37 PM, Korashk wrote:
Not a fan of democracy, but I always thought that votjg should be an earned right. There should be some type of test you have to pass in order to vote. Don't ask me what would be on the test, I haven't thought much about tuis idea past the whole, "there should be a test" part.

I don't like democracy either but as long as we have it we should have the best form. I don't think the government can be trusted with making such a test, the next best thing is allowing as many to vote as possible so to have less oppression.
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4/5/2010 7:21:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Since the idea is that the democratic structure entails you have representation, laws involving prohibition based on age should be a good benchmark for when you actually have a say in who represents those laws on your behalf. :P Granted it tends to get messy under a certain age.
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4/5/2010 7:46:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 6:31:42 PM, headphonegut wrote:
well I'd been discussing at length with my teacher (debate coach) why the voting age should be lowered and some of the benefits however he destroyed me with there are more dumb asses than intellectuals what are your thoughts and reasons for why the voting age should or shouldn't be lowered?


You could have easily refuted this by telling him that there are always gonna be dumb people. There are dumb adults, does this mean we should raise the voting age even more? What about old people? Some people lose their mind as they age, does this mean we should have an age limit also?
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4/6/2010 1:50:27 AM
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At 4/5/2010 6:49:12 PM, FREEDO wrote:
The forces that be are always trying to suppress the next generation and hold on to power as long as possible. I say let the future begin. In this era of the internet most teenagers are actually smarter than their parents having been exposed to much more information.

You do realize this applies to every generation, right? We're no different? Our children will be saying this stuff towards us. Would we consider it a fair characterization of ourselves then?
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4/6/2010 7:59:55 AM
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It should be lowered, but those under 18 should pass a test that shows they are informed enough and care enough to vote. the right vote in ignorance belongs to people who can be drafted and them alone.
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4/6/2010 8:21:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/6/2010 7:59:55 AM, Marauder wrote:
It should be lowered, but those under 18 should pass a test that shows they are informed enough and care enough to vote. the right vote in ignorance belongs to people who can be drafted and them alone.

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4/6/2010 3:24:03 PM
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At 4/6/2010 7:59:55 AM, Marauder wrote:
It should be lowered, but those under 18 should pass a test that shows they are informed enough and care enough to vote. the right vote in ignorance belongs to people who can be drafted and them alone.

This test would be highly controversial. After all, what gives anyone the right to determine what should go into the test? Basic math questions? How many branches of government are there? It'd be pretty unpopular to argue that those without math skills or those who don't know our structure of government shouldn't get a say in what government does to them. This might not be a fair characterization, but it reminds me of literacy tests in the south to prevent blacks from voting :(
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Chemists think they're physical chemists
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headphonegut
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4/6/2010 3:27:56 PM
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At 4/5/2010 7:46:24 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 4/5/2010 6:31:42 PM, headphonegut wrote:
well I'd been discussing at length with my teacher (debate coach) why the voting age should be lowered and some of the benefits however he destroyed me with there are more dumb asses than intellectuals what are your thoughts and reasons for why the voting age should or shouldn't be lowered?


You could have easily refuted this by telling him that there are always gonna be dumb people. There are dumb adults, does this mean we should raise the voting age even more? What about old people? Some people lose their mind as they age, does this mean we should have an age limit also?

didn't think about that will have another go at him thanks Koopin
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4/9/2010 11:35:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 6:31:42 PM, headphonegut wrote:
well I'd been discussing at length with my teacher (debate coach) why the voting age should be lowered and some of the benefits however he destroyed me with there are more dumb asses than intellectuals what are your thoughts and reasons for why the voting age should or shouldn't be lowered?

it is fine where it is.
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4/9/2010 2:18:15 PM
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At 4/9/2010 11:35:54 AM, kelly224 wrote:
Suppressing blacks bad suppressing teenagers good!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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4/15/2010 12:32:55 PM
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At 4/9/2010 2:18:15 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/9/2010 11:35:54 AM, kelly224 wrote:
Suppressing blacks bad suppressing teenagers good!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is not suppression, this is law. Teenagers think they know too much. Until an individual can make rational decisons, they should abide by the legal voting age.

And by the way, how is not lowering the age below 18 suppression? Most teenagers can't handle their emtions, why should they be given the same powers as folks who have experienced some things? That is the problem, young folks don't listen to their elders, thus this is why they make unwise choices.
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4/15/2010 12:36:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 6:41:07 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Most adults are dumb asses. Argument falls apart. Around 16 is when average people start getting jobs and pay many of the same taxes adults do. Shouldn't they have a say in the matter?

Part time jobs at mcdonalds =/= full time jobs and a mortgage

By this rational of tax-based voting, 80% of the country would not vote because they actually pay negative tax dollars.
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4/15/2010 1:16:59 PM
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At 4/5/2010 6:37:38 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Raise it to 200. End democracy. Boom, no more people voting to take your stuff.

I second this motion.
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4/15/2010 1:17:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/5/2010 6:41:07 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Most adults are dumb asses. Argument falls apart. Around 16 is when average people start getting jobs and pay many of the same taxes adults do. Shouldn't they have a say in the matter?

Most adults are ignorant? So your assumption is that you can run the system better? Most people do not start working at 16, some do. They should have a say in the matter when they are not thinking on a teenagers level.

Teenagers may look like adults sometimes, but most have zero patience.
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4/15/2010 4:18:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/15/2010 1:17:21 PM, kelly224 wrote:
Most adults are ignorant? So your assumption is that you can run the system better? Most people do not start working at 16, some do. They should have a say in the matter when they are not thinking on a teenagers level.

Teenagers may look like adults sometimes, but most have zero patience.

In total agreement. The problem with teenagers is that they are really convinced that they can revolutionize the system and make it work better, and they almost completely ignore the value of experience.

Having young leaders is nice and all, but that usually leads to all talk and no action. You need a balance between experience and out-of-the-box thinking.

I actually think that people should only be able to vote if they pay a certain amount of taxes. That's a more practical way to determine who makes a better voter.
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